Underrate a Player: Tyson Edwards

[CrowMagnum]

How often have we heard this over the years.

Is it a good or bad tag to have? At best its probably a non-compliment. Every team has one but Tyson has it in spades. Why is it so.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Not nesessarily a bad tag to have.

IMO, this year Tyson has been over-rated - usually high skilled disposal has been poor & has fumbled more than usual (I gather because he is carrying an injury). Was pleased he was back to his vintage best last week.

 

[CrowHop]

How often have we heard this over the years.

Is it a good or bad tag to have? At best its probably a non-compliment. Every team has one but Tyson has it in spades. Why is it so.

Is it a tag that anyone gives a shit about ? I would probably think not.

 

[Mad Dog]

Rating players is overrated.....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Rating players is overrated.....

But it's fun...

 

[Mad Dog]

But it's fun...

You have a point though Kane..........all the time Edwards wasn't rated - he was definately underrated.............but now that people rate him.......I think he's been overrated - particularly this year and last.

Still a great servant of the club - and has stood up time and again over the years.......but his decision making under pressure has been questionable the last 12 months. He has had the ability over the years to duck, weave, evade, and pin point a pass using the ball efficiently......I just wonder if his mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore in terms of his flexibility.......but I reckon he's been caught HTB more times in the last 12 months than he has over his entire career.

Not trying to be super critical.......just making an observation as he is still a fantastic player......

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You have a point though Kane..........all the time Edwards wasn't rated - he was definately underrated.............but now that people rate him.......I think he's been overrated - particularly this year and last.

Still a great servant of the club - and has stood up time and again over the years.......but his decision making under pressure has been questionable the last 12 months. He has had the ability over the years to duck, weave, evade, and pin point a pass using the ball efficiently......I just wonder if his mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore in terms of his flexibility.......but I reckon he's been caught HTB more times in the last 12 months than he has over his entire career.

Not trying to be super critical.......just making an observation as he is still a fantastic player......

Is it ironical that he has become over-rated, as soon as he became noticed...

BTW, I'm no longer convinced he would be in our full-strength best-22.

 

[Mad Dog]

Is it ironical that he has become over-rated, as soon as he became noticed....

so logic would suggest he was never underrated.......

BTW, I'm no longer convinced he would be in our full-strength best-22.

that's a massive call.....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

that's a massive call.....

Yes & I'm expecting to get some flack over it.

 

[Mad Dog]

Yes & I'm expecting to get some flack over it.

so if everyone was fit do you rate Doughty, Mattner, Porps, and Douglas in front of Edwards?.....

....I've picked on them because they would be at the fringe of selection if everyone is available

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

so if everyone was fit do you rate Doughty, Mattner, Porps, and Douglas in front of Edwards?.....

....I've picked on them because they would be at the fringe of selection if everyone is available

Hmmm, OK, he sqeezes into my best-22 then - off the bench.

B: Bassett, Rutten, Johncock
HB: McLeod, Bock, Massie
C: Knights, Goodwin, Reilly
HF: Welsh, Perrie, Burton
F: Bode, Hentschel (McGregor), Ricciuto
R: Hudson, Shirley, Thompson
I: Maric, van Berlo, Mattner, Edwards
E: Stevens, Torney, Doughty

 

[Mad Dog]

Hmmm, OK, he sqeezes into my best-22 then - off the bench.

B: Bassett, Rutten, Johncock
HB: McLeod, Bock, Massie
C: Knights, Goodwin, Reilly
HF: Welsh, Perrie, Burton
F: Bode, Hentschel (McGregor), Ricciuto
R: Hudson, Shirley, Thompson
I: Maric, van Berlo, Mattner, Edwards
E: Stevens, Torney, Doughty

I've got Biglands and Torney in for Maric and Massie......but other than that......that's my 22.

I still think Edwards keeps a few of the younglings at bay

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I've got Biglands and Torney in for Maric and Massie......but other than that......that's my 22.

I still think Edwards keeps a few of the younglings at bay

Can't argue with your changes - not much in it.

 

[jenny61_99]

You have a point though Kane..........all the time Edwards wasn't rated - he was definately underrated.............but now that people rate him.......I think he's been overrated - particularly this year and last.

Still a great servant of the club - and has stood up time and again over the years.......but his decision making under pressure has been questionable the last 12 months. He has had the ability over the years to duck, weave, evade, and pin point a pass using the ball efficiently......I just wonder if his mind is writing cheques his body can't cash anymore in terms of his flexibility.......but I reckon he's been caught HTB more times in the last 12 months than he has over his entire career.

Not trying to be super critical.......just making an observation as he is still a fantastic player......

Ive actually been saying the same things about Edwards for the last 12 months but get howled down every time. I see him fumble now and make poor decisions, and miss his mark... things he never used to do. My F-I-L used to say "but he got 30+ possessions, and I'd say, but yes, how many were effective? They are the stats that really matter. Still and all, he'd be in my starting 22 every day.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The people who count rate him.

The people who know rate him.

 

[CrowMagnum]

He's lost a bit of pace, understandably, and that makes his lack of accountability more obvious as he can;t chase down opponents from a long way off. Got a bit left foot happy in the last few years and so use of the ball is not what it used to be.

It might be time to play him in a positional role rather than on the ball where he won't get found out as much for pace. When he goes long and direct he's still valuable though, as he did last week.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Some here don't rate him because of different reasons and wouldn't make their 22, but I bet London to a brick the club and NC does.

NC recently stated that he doesn't mind players getting pinged for holding the ball, that means we had it until then. If the play comes off we still have possession, if not, it gives us time to get back and zone off.

I don't think you'll find many holding the ball decisions in the opposition's forward 50. It's where it occurs is the thing.

Others claim he makes too many mistakes. Rubbish. Other players do and because of their big names they don't get mentioned. One game in point was the Melbourne game where he got critisized for not manning up.

I was there and saw he was playing to team rules by running off his opponent. But more often than not we turned the ball over before he saw it and his opponent was last seen leaving the station for the goal front.

Very unfairly in my books. I have contantly had him in my best players.

 

[Damp Squarie]

One thing that shouldn't be underrated about Edwards is the length of his arms.
He has the best "dont argue" in the business... and only Carrazzo (sp?) has nailed him in a tackle this year where Tys has fended off and failed.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Others claim he makes too many mistakes. Rubbish.

Strongly disagree.

Edwards quality of disposal this year has been well down on what he usually produces. Last week was an exception to what I have seen since coming back from overseas.

 

[Mong]

Tyson Edwards is far from underrated. It's a tag that was given to him a long time ago, and was probably correct back then, but for some reason he still appears in underrated lists and discussions. He's far from it in my opinion.

 

[BWST]

I've always rated T. Edwards, very highly as an opposition supporter.

A player with high skill, that never says die. Two traits hard to find in one player.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

Strongly disagree.

Edwards quality of disposal this year has been well down on what he usually produces. Last week was an exception to what I have seen since coming back from overseas.

Kane, perhaps if you put my full quote in, your argument might have some credence.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Kane, perhaps if you put my full quote in, your argument might have some credence.

What difference would your full quote make - I can't see any other part which was relevant or has caused it to be quoted out of context.

I'm saying that Edwards skill level has been below is usual high standards. You disagree. I gather you think it is rubbish that Edwards is making too many mistakes.

We disagree, so be it. I don't see why you had to bring the roll eyes into it.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

What difference would your full quote make - I can't see any other part which was relevant or has caused it to be quoted out of context.

I'm saying that Edwards skill level has been below is usual high standards. You disagree. I gather you think it is rubbish that Edwards is making too many mistakes.

We disagree, so be it. I don't see why you had to bring the roll eyes into it.

My point is that I also bought up the fact that others have IMO have made mistakes as well and they don't seem to get mentioned. If he has made all these mistakes that you claim, why has he constantly been in the the best players week in week out?

Also he gets holding the ball quite a bit and I also mentioned that NC doesn't mine that. Perhaps he's playing to team rules to try and keep the ball no matter what the outcome?

Correctly you have said he has been below his usual high standards, but goes for the whole team from the past couple of years. To pick on him to me seems rather sad.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

My point is that I also bought up the fact that others have IMO have made mistakes as well and they don't seem to get mentioned. If he has made all these mistakes that you claim, why has he constantly been in the the best players week in week out?

Also he gets holding the ball quite a bit and I also mentioned that NC doesn't mine that. Perhaps he's playing to team rules to try and keep the ball no matter what the outcome?

Correctly you have said he has been below his usual high standards, but goes for the whole team from the past couple of years. To pick on him to me seems rather sad.

I have made comments on all players I think are performing below their best (Roo, Torney, Bock, Mattner, etc), so it's not like I have been unfairly singling out Edwards. I will tell it as I see it, regardless who the player is & leave it up for others to agree/disagree.

I have not had a go at criticising him for the team rules stuuf, but rather his disposal dropping by his usual impecable standard (which you agree with).

How is this unreasonable? I still don't understand how I quoted you out of context.