Unfair Dismissal

[1jasonoz]

Employees who havn't been employed for 12 months currently don't have the rights to sue for unfair dismissal anyway.

Idiot statement run by stupid brain dead right wingers who have no idea.

 

[Fire]

I have to admit that my working history doesnt go much deeper than three years at Maccas and various labourer jobs through the years, but there would have to be just as many employers not doing the right thing by their employees as there is vice-versa.

Surely a solution (If one is needed) would be to loosen the restrictions on incompetance/dishonesty terminations. I find it hard to believe that taking away all employee rights is the best way about this.

If I work hard and produce acceptable results (Which I do, even if no one else around me does) then I want my rights. I dont see why my employer should be allowed to hold me to ransom every single day.

 

[jim boy]

My Question being why should an employer have to pay for an employee to get pregnant

What's the go with pregnancy leave in oz anyway? In every other civilized country the government reimburses the employer (including the self-employed) for the cost pregnancy leave.

 

[1jasonoz]

My Question being why should an employer have to pay for an employee to get pregnant

Please tell me where in Australia employers pay to get their employees pregnant?

 

[MightyFighting]

but is not a necesary (sorry for the spelling) operation - ie they dont NEED to have it done,

I goes under the same medicare code as a miscarriage operation, therefore, the government pays.

It's not classified as an elective operation, because elective operations can be postponed, but you can't put off an abortion.

 

[Pessimistic]

and I suppose her employer should pay for that too ?

Just highlighting a couple of conflicting right wing stances. They have them as well as the socialists you know.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Capitalist does have a point.

Can someone tell me why an employer should have to pay an employee maternity leave?

Maternity is not a right to money it is a right to keep your job when you return.
You obviously do not have a wife who works !

 

[agitator]

what a typical load of hypocracy from the leftie moonbats.

they complain that the poor downtrodden workers are being dismissed by evil bloodsucking bosses but dont blink an eyelid when posters are unfairly dismissed from these boards by evil megalomaniac moderators!!!

where's the consistency?? why cant the downtrodden posters be able to appeal their unfair dismissal to some left wing star chamber where we can skewer those big headed all powerful moderators and teach them a lesson they wont forget.

 

[otaku]

Maternity is not a right to money it is a right to keep your job when you return.
You obviously do not have a wife who works !

you wanna explain the push for paid maternity leave then?

Having a child is a lifestyle choice. If i wanna go on a 2 year holiday, should I be entitled to walk back into my old job at the end of that two years?

I dont think so

 

[Bombers 2003]

Please tell me where in Australia employers pay to get their employees pregnant?

Literally,they DONT.

 

[Bombers 2003]

they complain that the poor downtrodden workers are being dismissed by evil bloodsucking bosses but dont blink an eyelid when posters are unfairly dismissed from these boards by evil megalomaniac moderators!!!

where's the consistency?? why cant the downtrodden posters be able to appeal their unfair dismissal to some left wing star chamber where we can skewer those big headed all powerful moderators and teach them a lesson they wont forget.

the moderators believe in unfairness for all,not just the RW Loonies.

 

[Contra Mundum]

They are conciliators and arbitrators rather than "moderators". All the bloody right wing creeps who think that a woman should retire when she becomes pregnant really need to take a good hard look at themselves. Leaving aside the issue of paid maternity leave - why is it wrong to aviod discrimination on the basis of pregnancy.

 

[otaku]

They are conciliators and arbitrators rather than "moderators". All the bloody right wing creeps who think that a woman should retire when she becomes pregnant really need to take a good hard look at themselves.

Why should her job be kept on hold? As i said before, it is a lifestyle choice. I cant expect to go on an extended holiday, and be able to walk back into my same old job when i come back.

Leaving aside the issue of paid maternity leave - why is it wrong to aviod discrimination on the basis of pregnancy.

why is it wrong to discriminate on the basic of preferred holiday lifestlye? No one is forcing a woman to become pregnant. No one needs to become pregnant to save their lives.

It is purely a lifestyle choice. Dont want to give up your job? Dont have kids then.

 

[afc9798]

They are conciliators and arbitrators rather than "moderators". All the bloody right wing creeps who think that a woman should retire when she becomes pregnant really need to take a good hard look at themselves. Leaving aside the issue of paid maternity leave - why is it wrong to aviod discrimination on the basis of pregnancy.

Aside from this, people have failed to understand that if women decide not to have children because of a lack of maternity leave options etc. this will result in a downturn to the economy of significant proportions. Having a child is not a lifestyle choice, it's what naturally occurs to a percentage of the population. It is not a fad, it is not a gimmick it is a natural human desire to want to procreate (for most anyway). Without this desire, there would be no economy for the conservatives on this thread to protect from the lefties who think that a loyal worker should be accorded a fair deal.

Also as an employer, I have never had trouble getting rid of an incompetent or disloyal employee. As Bluemark said earlier, in most cases they will leave when they see it coming. If they don't and you follow process correctly, it is no problem. You do need evidence, but why should it be any different to any other situation. These rule changes are of no real benefit to any well run business and all I can see is a number of situations where there will be aggrieved ex employees who take matters into their own hands because they didn't get a fair hearing.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Why should her job be kept on hold? As i said before, it is a lifestyle choice. I cant expect to go on an extended holiday, and be able to walk back into my same old job when i come back.



why is it wrong to discriminate on the basic of preferred holiday lifestlye? No one is forcing a woman to become pregnant. No one needs to become pregnant to save their lives.

It is purely a lifestyle choice. Dont want to give up your job? Dont have kids then.

What you are arguing for is bad for the economy because it would cut fifty percent of productive workers out of the job market. Do you think it was far enough when employers used to sack women when they became pregnant do you?

Also if a woman had to leave a job every time she got pregnant that would have a chilling effect on birth rates which are down too far in Australia anyway. There is no economy if there is no new workers to work is there!

Even the US which I am sure is your deregulated labour market wet dream has a maternity leave right.

Anyway the fact that this issue is even contestable is depressing I am going back to the Gilligans Island thread

 

[Contra Mundum]

What you are arguing for is bad for the economy because it would cut fifty percent of productive workers out of the job market. Do you think it was far enough when employers used to sack women when they became pregnant do you?

Also if a woman had to leave a job every time she got pregnant that would have a chilling effect on birth rates which are down too far in Australia anyway. There is no economy if there is no new workers to work is there!

Even the US which I am sure is your deregulated labour market wet dream has a maternity leave right.

Anyway the fact that this issue is even contestable is depressing I am going back to the Gilligans Island thread

The other matter which I would like to take up with you is the issue of the first year of parenthood being a "holiday" - it is obvious to me you are a wet behind the ears university student who has never been near a young child

 

[Cap]

I goes under the same medicare code as a miscarriage operation, therefore, the government pays.

It's not classified as an elective operation, because elective operations can be postponed, but you can't put off an abortion.

hmm interesting - well I had a friend who got it done cost them $200 to have it done !

 

[otaku]

What you are arguing for is bad for the economy because it would cut fifty percent of productive workers out of the job market. Do you think it was far enough when employers used to sack women when they became pregnant do you?

Thats drawing a long bow there Mark. You are assuming that 100% of women are in the workforce. Thats a long way from the truth.

And my beef is with paid maternity leave. If you want to have 3 mnths off to have a kid - go for it. Dont expect to get paid for it as well.

Also if a woman had to leave a job every time she got pregnant that would have a chilling effect on birth rates which are down too far in Australia anyway. There is no economy if there is no new workers to work is there!

Even the US which I am sure is your deregulated labour market wet dream has a maternity leave right.

Anyway the fact that this issue is even contestable is depressing I am going back to the Gilligans Island thread

and as far as Australia goes - we are quickly outstripping our resources. The closer to zero population growth we get, the better we are.

The other matter which I would like to take up with you is the issue of the first year of parenthood being a "holiday" - it is obvious to me you are a wet behind the ears university student who has never been near a young child

You are showing your stupidity here Mark. I never said having a kid was a holiday. Go back and try to read what was written. Dont skim the first line then assume.

And despite it being "obvious" - i am a long way out of Uni.

 

[mantis]

and as far as Australia goes - we are quickly outstripping our resources. The closer to zero population growth we get, the better we are. .

Zero population, there's a great idea, so who will be working & paying taxes in 30 to 50 years time to look after the oldies like you will be then.

Edit: Even howscum is calling for people to have MORE children, to help the future economy.

 

[Contra Mundum]

you wanna explain the push for paid maternity leave then?

Having a child is a lifestyle choice. If i wanna go on a 2 year holiday, should I be entitled to walk back into my old job at the end of that two years?

I dont think so

Otako don't get cute, maternity leave on your argument is "a lifestyle choice" equivalent to going on a "2 year holiday" - it is you who make the equation not me.

I apologise on the issue of paid maternity leave - I did not meant to be insulting but it is so easy to say something is pointless when you have never had to worry about making ends meet with three kids.

 

[otaku]

Zero population, there's a great idea, so who will be working & paying taxes in 30 to 50 years time to look after the oldies like you will be then.

Edit: Even howscum is calling for people to have MORE children, to help the future economy.

you idiot. I said zero population growth. As in we maintain the balance of the population - not letting it rise, nor decline.

Think before you post.

 

[otaku]

Otako don't get cute, maternity leave on your argument is "a lifestyle choice" equivalent to going on a "2 year holiday" - it is you who make the equation not me.

I apologise on the issue of paid maternity leave - I did not meant to be insulting but it is so easy to say something is pointless when you have never had to worry about making ends meet with three kids.

Murk,

It is called an "analogy". go look it up if you have to.

For example: Both situations time is taken off work for a lifestyle choice. I am not equating having a child to going on a holiday.


EDIT: it was your choice to have kids, wasnt it?

So stop whinging.

Please, try to keep up.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Murk,

It is called an "analogy". go look it up if you have to.

For example: Both situations time is taken off work for a lifestyle choice. I am not equating having a child to going on a holiday.



EDIT: it was your choice to have kids, wasnt it?

So stop whinging.

Please, try to keep up.

SO you agree your analogy is false?

I am too tired trying to achieve work/family balance to keep with you fresh faced free marketeers.

To call having a family a lifestyle choice is to demean it and is yet another example of commodification

 

[otaku]

SO you agree your analogy is false?

I am too tired trying to achieve work/family balance!

and too tired to make sense, obviously. My analogy is fine.

 

[Contra Mundum]

Otaku; lets just say that it demeans the institution of the family to call it a life style choice like getting a tattoo. Anyway we are off topic - why not lets concentrate on the argument that unfair dismissal laws are an abomination and an pox on the Australian economy