Uni and Work

[Docker_Brat]

Originally posted by TheGreatCoranzo
Do you expect to get a job with a Cert IV in IT?

Has ANYONE landed a job in their chosen field with only a TAFE certificate?

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Has ANYONE landed a job in their chosen field with only a TAFE certificate?

Turf Management course graduates?

Rumour has it they get work placement at the Telstra Dome

 

[Joel]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Has ANYONE landed a job in their chosen field with only a TAFE certificate?

My girlfriend is a Division 2 Nurse (which she did through Homeslgen Tafe), and now works at Monash Medical Centre (the big hospital) in Clayton. She does plan to go to Uni to do her Division 1 nursing, but that will be in a couple of years. So, yeah, people do get jobs in their chosen field after doing TAFE courses.

BTW, Div 2s are restricted in what they can do, ie. can't administor medicine.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Has ANYONE landed a job in their chosen field with only a TAFE certificate?

There are some traineeships going in the field of IT.

 

[lioness]

Originally posted by Docker_Brat
Has ANYONE landed a job in their chosen field with only a TAFE certificate?

Yes, one of the most popular child care qualifications is a 2 year part timeTAFE course. Depends what industry you work in I guess.

As I said, in Qld you need ANY form of qualification to work in child care now, and probably if I had more time I'd go to Uni and do it all that way, but for now I need work and I need it ASAP so the TAFE course is my best bet at the moment.

 

[TheWackedYak]

UNE are pretty good.

I did my DipEd through them in 2002 and they run a pretty solid ship. Had I have researched into Monash a bit more, I may have gone through them but it appears I made the right decision.

Anyone looking to study Education by correspondence should really give UNE a look. You have support through online bulletins, you have the option of contacting fellow students through e-mail and the teaching and admin. staff are generally pretty supportive.

To anyone giving distance Ed and FT work a crack best of luck...its bloody hard work

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

Originally posted by goaldrush
There are some traineeships going in the field of IT.

And with a dodgy TAFE cert, you have ZERO chance of getting one.

 

[GoEagles]

Also Chefs can easily find work with a TAFE Certificate in Hospitality.

 

[toulairene]

Im doing the certificate 3 fitness course by correspondence and working as a part time cleaner. I am desperate for a fitness traineeship but that afl sportsready thing is useless to me because they always lie. I have been to many fitness centres but they say they dont it. Anyone have any info on sports traineeships in melbourne or if they know any employers who need trainees, it would be a great help.

 

[Richmondfan#1]

This is slightly off topic but anyway. Those at uni, is the workload similar to that of year 12? Do you find the work much harder and it takes up more time than year 12 studies?

I'm just curious at the moment.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by Richmondfan#1
This is slightly off topic but anyway. Those at uni, is the workload similar to that of year 12? Do you find the work much harder and it takes up more time than year 12 studies?

I'm just curious at the moment.

It really depends on what uni course you're looking at. In most cases the workload per semester is about the same as the Year 12 all up - in terms of essay lengths and the amount of reading and much shorter timeframes to write assignments. Having said that it's not that hard to cope with.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by TheWackedYak
UNE are pretty good.

I did my DipEd through them in 2002 and they run a pretty solid ship. Had I have researched into Monash a bit more, I may have gone through them but it appears I made the right decision.

Anyone looking to study Education by correspondence should really give UNE a look. You have support through online bulletins, you have the option of contacting fellow students through e-mail and the teaching and admin. staff are generally pretty supportive.

To anyone giving distance Ed and FT work a crack best of luck...its bloody hard work

I started my degree through Deakin (on campus) then switched to UNE (distance) so I could study law as I liked their law program better than Deakin's. They ran an excellent course - so they should, with more than 60% of their total students being distance education. Back at Deakin finishing Arts (I got real with myself and decided I didn't have 8 years part time law study in me) where I will say the variety of units is good. UNE does offer some interesting studies though, particularly in politics.

Charlie my best friend did her first degree at Melbourne and took alot of the history subjects you've mentioned and absolutely loved them. I actually work in the Higher Education sector so I know a lot about all the unis. Melbourne is outstanding but if its politics you want then I would look closely a Monash as its politics units are considered the best in Australia. If I had worked a little harder in Year 12 (was lazy - always got by on talent alone and realise now it only gets you so far) I would have done my Arts degree at Monash.

I'm in my final year now - did 3 years on campus and then switched to distance and have had some major hiccups (cancer can do that) but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I'm actually doing a unit on Political Leadership at the moment (half way through writing my first essay) which is fantastic - really interesting. Am finding the essay much harder than I anticipated though as the person I chose to write about is not who I thought he was and my opinion on him has changed dramatically (and will certainly warrant further reading when study eases off)

 

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Tinker


Charlie my best friend did her first degree at Melbourne and took alot of the history subjects you've mentioned and absolutely loved them. I actually work in the Higher Education sector so I know a lot about all the unis. Melbourne is outstanding but if its politics you want then I would look closely a Monash as its politics units are considered the best in Australia. If I had worked a little harder in Year 12 (was lazy - always got by on talent alone and realise now it only gets you so far) I would have done my Arts degree at Monash.

Cheers. Monash is twice as far for me though, so I'm aiming at Melbourne. Besides, they haven't filled me with confidence so far this year. I'm reasonably confident of getting there - with the double I want, I can do an Arts degree first year if I have to and do the exact same subjects I would do anyway, get a credit average or whatever it is then change.

BTW - that answers my question from the Society, Culture and Politics board... unless you mean you work for that pile of horsecrap Brendan Nelson that is...

 

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by goaldrush
Cert IV in IT. Yep that is right.

YOTR,

Which course are you doing? Or did you find it too expensive and can't be bothered studying?

Commerce at Monash Suzi, full time. And I'm working part time as well.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by CharlieG
Cheers. Monash is twice as far for me though, so I'm aiming at Melbourne. Besides, they haven't filled me with confidence so far this year. I'm reasonably confident of getting there - with the double I want, I can do an Arts degree first year if I have to and do the exact same subjects I would do anyway, get a credit average or whatever it is then change.

BTW - that answers my question from the Society, Culture and Politics board... unless you mean you work for that pile of horsecrap Brendan Nelson that is...

No I dont.....I actually work for a lobby group.


Dont let kilometres get in the way of getting the best degree.

What is it you would like to do once you're finished study?

 

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Tinker
No I dont.....I actually work for a lobby group.

Ah... ok. So do you support the HECS increases?

Dont let kilometres get in the way of getting the best degree.

Yeah, but you've got to remember that I'm aiming at 3 majors, not one. And from all the History departments that I've looked at, Melbourne has been overwhelmingly the most enticing. It has a huge Economics department. The Politics department is no slouch, either. It's closer. It hasn't shown me how disorganised it can be (although that will probably happen) like Monash has. All in all, Melbourne seems the best choice.

What is it you would like to do once you're finished study?

Don't know. Probably remain in academia. I'm not particularly interested in working in a glass tower for 30 years to make some bigwig capitalist p) richer, for an eventual pat on the head and share package. Ultimately, it's too far away (5 years plus hopefully honours) to worry too much about.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by CharlieG
Originally posted by Tinker
No I dont.....I actually work for a lobby group.

Ah... ok. So do you support the HECS increases?

Dont let kilometres get in the way of getting the best degree.

Yeah, but you've got to remember that I'm aiming at 3 majors, not one. And from all the History departments that I've looked at, Melbourne has been overwhelmingly the most enticing. It has a huge Economics department. The Politics department is no slouch, either. It's closer. It hasn't shown me how disorganised it can be (although that will probably happen) like Monash has. All in all, Melbourne seems the best choice.

What is it you would like to do once you're finished study?

Don't know. Probably remain in academia. I'm not particularly interested in working in a glass tower for 30 years to make some bigwig capitalist p) richer, for an eventual pat on the head and share package. Ultimately, it's too far away (5 years plus hopefully honours) to worry too much about.

Re: HECS - depends on if you're asking my personally or in my job capacity. I'm not sure on what my organisation thinks although I am sure it's negative.

Personally I dont think higher education should be free but I also dont think it should make students bankrupt before starting!! I think the HECS levels were fine as they were and I think 25% rises are exhorbatant. Having said that, the repayment threshold has been significantly raised which helps.....but still.....

Here's a tip for free - dont spend all your time in academia - get out and see the world for a while then go back if you must. You cant offer students true wisdom if you haven't ventured past the front fence.....its a bit like politicians who work as staffers all their lives and have never worked in the outside world.....they dont always make the best politicians......

Melbourne is a good Uni so dont be discouraged - just dont close off your options either. And dont think there isn't a uni on the planet that doesn't have moments of disorganisation - they all do!!

 

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Tinker
Re: HECS - depends on if you're asking my personally or in my job capacity. I'm not sure on what my organisation thinks although I am sure it's negative.

Fair enough.

Personally I dont think higher education should be free but I also dont think it should make students bankrupt before starting!! I think the HECS levels were fine as they were and I think 25% rises are exhorbatant. Having said that, the repayment threshold has been significantly raised which helps.....but still.....

Are you ready for this? This may shock you... one... two... three...I agree. Some should be free though - with conditions. I would like to see free courses in teaching and nursing, with say a defence force style return of service in the public education and health systems. You could probably extend it to social work and even medicine as well.

Here's a tip for free - dont spend all your time in academia - get out and see the world for a while then go back if you must. You cant offer students true wisdom if you haven't ventured past the front fence.....its a bit like politicians who work as staffers all their lives and have never worked in the outside world.....they dont always make the best politicians......

You mean see the world as in travel? This I intend to do. But I won't be joining some multinational to do it. I don't like the corporate world... it's too much about money, and though money is a nice thing to have, its a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Melbourne is a good Uni so dont be discouraged - just dont close off your options either. And dont think there isn't a uni on the planet that doesn't have moments of disorganisation - they all do!!

He he... fully aware of both those things.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by CharlieG
Originally posted by Tinker
Re: HECS - depends on if you're asking my personally or in my job capacity. I'm not sure on what my organisation thinks although I am sure it's negative.

Fair enough.

Personally I dont think higher education should be free but I also dont think it should make students bankrupt before starting!! I think the HECS levels were fine as they were and I think 25% rises are exhorbatant. Having said that, the repayment threshold has been significantly raised which helps.....but still.....

Are you ready for this? This may shock you... one... two... three...I agree. Some should be free though - with conditions. I would like to see free courses in teaching and nursing, with say a defence force style return of service in the public education and health systems. You could probably extend it to social work and even medicine as well.

Here's a tip for free - dont spend all your time in academia - get out and see the world for a while then go back if you must. You cant offer students true wisdom if you haven't ventured past the front fence.....its a bit like politicians who work as staffers all their lives and have never worked in the outside world.....they dont always make the best politicians......

You mean see the world as in travel? This I intend to do. But I won't be joining some multinational to do it. I don't like the corporate world... it's too much about money, and though money is a nice thing to have, its a means to an end, not an end in itself.

Melbourne is a good Uni so dont be discouraged - just dont close off your options either. And dont think there isn't a uni on the planet that doesn't have moments of disorganisation - they all do!!

He he... fully aware of both those things.

Oh my goodness......not only are we having a nice conversation we've agreed on something.....mark today down for the books please!!!

I wouldn't be against introducing some kind of scheme like you're suggesting - perhaps reduced medical school fees in exchange for working in rural towns.....same with nursing and other allied health.....I could be wrong but I dont think there is a shortage of social workers - I dont know....... that's one of the things I liked about the proposal to introduce male scholarships for teaching - I think they should be for nursing too - to encourage more men to get into those vocations. Unfortunately they are not promoted at school level as desireable careers anymore.

And I dont just mean travel - that's important but not just that. You might not like the glass tower (hey it's not my idea of dream job either) but it can be a useful experience. For example, I work for a group whose policies I often disagree with. But it has helped me to (a) clarify my thoughts and (b) broaden my mind to things I once would never have contemplated. So I suggest you try a few different things - gives you a broader scope.

Charlie I feel wierd. We're being nice and agreeing on things - how can things ever be the same again????

 

[daicos4ever]

Charlie what kind of history do you want to do?

 

[campbell]

I have had 2 experiences with Universities.

The 1st was my own. I did a Degree in Physc Nursing at Ballarat Uni when we lived in Victora.I am not sure how it works nowadays in Victoria, I was a mature age, upgrading my skills.
In those days it was a low entry score course and a lot of people used it to transfer after 1 year to what they wanted. Also mature age and school leavers were from differing pools of entry. Nowadays in Qld all applicants are from the same quota.This year over 65% of successful applicants were mature aged. which is kinda disturbing.

The 2nd is my sons from this year.

The HECS is too much to expect a 22year to repay in their 1st years of employment.The kids can't get mortgages and car loans from banks as the HECS is classified as a debt. Thats harsh.

I also think that both Nirsing and Education should be HECS free and also should have an interview process.Thus not just on marks.
Both are careers where we have a lack of attrition.Both are caring careers. You either will make a good teacher or nurse or not.If you look at the Census figures over last few years, both courses have a high drop out rate b4 the census date of March 31st. These places are not made available again til next year.Nursing and Teaching don't have mid year places.Thus we lose out.

Anyone have some thoughts.

 

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by Tinker
Oh my goodness......not only are we having a nice conversation we've agreed on something.....mark today down for the books please!!!

I wouldn't be against introducing some kind of scheme like you're suggesting - perhaps reduced medical school fees in exchange for working in rural towns.....same with nursing and other allied health.....I could be wrong but I dont think there is a shortage of social workers - I dont know....... that's one of the things I liked about the proposal to introduce male scholarships for teaching - I think they should be for nursing too - to encourage more men to get into those vocations. Unfortunately they are not promoted at school level as desireable careers anymore.

Basically I said social work because - shortage or not - people who are doing a degree with the end goal of helping people should not be penalised for it with a HECS debt. Heaven knows, they'll never get the income that the majority of uni educated people can expect to get.

And I dont just mean travel - that's important but not just that. You might not like the glass tower (hey it's not my idea of dream job either) but it can be a useful experience. For example, I work for a group whose policies I often disagree with. But it has helped me to (a) clarify my thoughts and (b) broaden my mind to things I once would never have contemplated. So I suggest you try a few different things - gives you a broader scope.

Perhaps... as I said, its too far away to worry about. But the corporates... they eat people. My sister (a budding corporate herself) has a friend who has just signed on with a big firm in Sydney doing actuarial work. The money he is making is extraordinary for someone in his twenties, but at what cost? He gets about $80k and works 100 hours a week to get it. He has virtually sold his life to the highest bidder. I won't be doing that.

By the way, if I did it to 'broaden my scope' I might 'come to my senses' and 'try to get ahead'... at the cost of my conscience and my political beliefs. No thanks. I'm not interested in joining your side of the political spectrum.

Charlie I feel wierd. We're being nice and agreeing on things - how can things ever be the same again????


Of course they will be. When you start arguing against equitable social policies again!

 

[CharlieG]

Originally posted by daicos4ever
Charlie what kind of history do you want to do?

Modern history. Themes such as class, internationalism, development, conflict, imperialism, revolution. Modern history goes back to the Industrial Revolution, although you could probably push it back further to the Renaissance. It'll tie in with my planned study of politics and economics.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by campbell


The HECS is too much to expect a 22year to repay in their 1st years of employment.The kids can't get mortgages and car loans from banks as the HECS is classified as a debt. Thats harsh.

he doesn't have to pay it back in one year - he has to earn over $35,000 and then it comes out with tax at a percentage rate....until it's paid off.

 

[Tinker]

Originally posted by CharlieG
Originally posted by Tinker
By the way, if I did it to 'broaden my scope' I might 'come to my senses' and 'try to get ahead'... at the cost of my conscience and my political beliefs. No thanks. I'm not interested in joining your side of the political spectrum.

I didn't mean that actually......broadening ones scope can actually serve to reinforce your ideas but it gives you something tangible to base it on other than something you've read or what the media tells you.

For example.....

I'm a Liberal but I consider unions to be a vital cog in the workplace, so long as the power is not abused. There should always be a mechanism to protect the workers.....I learned that through being unlawfully sacked and needing union assistance

Also, I learned that the medical system is a shambles because of my own illnesses. I could not and would not have had the best medical care when I had kidney cancer had I not had private health insurance (and even then it still cost thousands). That's not good - everyone should have access. That doesn't mean it should be free but, like HECS, it should bankrupt someone to have good health coverage and care either. See.....I'm not as neo-con as you think!!