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[noddy]

I will not debate the rules. That is not the point.
The point is that in the other thread there were people calling for Pickett to be hung, while others calling the penalty harsh but as long as from now on the tribunal was consistent, then so be it. There was no middle ground.
Pickett got sc***ed big time.

I was one who thought he was slightly hard done by & thought 3-4 weeks was more appropriate but i also said it was a cowardly act done by Pickett & that his main intention (in my opinion) was to do as much damage as he could to a player who was in a very vulnerable position.

I also think Miller is a very lucky boy & that the 05 version of Tribunal justice is a farce.

 

[PAFC2004]

pickett is still a dog, but so is miller, pretty simple. 4 wks for both is appropriate imo. Although i have no prob with pickett getting the extra 2 wks for his history of picking guys off.

How the hell is he a dog? It's footy mate. It's a contact sport. He bumps legally. What is the game going to turn into if players are not allowed to bump other players?
"Moron"

 

[Sheeds]

I was one who thought he was slightly hard done by & thought 3-4 weeks was more appropriate but i also said it was a cowardly act done by Pickett & that his main intention (in my opinion) was to do as much damage as he could to a player who was in a very vulnerable position.

I also think Miller is a very lucky boy & that the 05 version of Tribunal justice is a farce.

That is pretty much on the money.

It is interesting when people say Pickett is a thug for the way he has lined up players in the past etc. His acts of "thuggery" ie hard hitting was considered within the rules of the game so I cannot see how they are relevant, especially when his tirbunal record dictates such. For the record this is not defending Pickett, I just agree with noddy that 3 to 4 was sufficient.

 

[SBR_04]

How the hell is he a dog? It's footy mate. It's a contact sport. He bumps legally. What is the game going to turn into if players are not allowed to bump other players?
"Moron"

This is the exact type of response one would expect, refer back to what i said in my post...

 

[PAFC2004]

This is the exact type of response one would expect, refer back to what i said in my post...

I wasn't refering to your post. If you think Pickett's bumps "stretch" the rules, you either never watch him play, or know nothing about the rules. How is bumping into a players shoulder, or a "hip and shoulder" stretching the rules?

 

[SBR_04]

Again, refuse to argue with a Port Supporter on the topic... you can believe and say what you want "You must not know the rules... blah blah blah.." but sorry, I aint gonna waste my breathe

 

[PAFC2004]

Again, refuse to argue with a Port Supporter on the topic... you can believe and say what you want "You must not know the rules... blah blah blah.." but sorry, I aint gonna waste my breathe

Waste your breath? Do you have voice recognition software?
I am not being biased, as much as it may seem that way. He is not the only player that plays that way, and I have no problem with any of them, providing they play within the rules.

 

[SBR_04]

Waste your breath? Do you have voice recognition software?
I am not being biased, as much as it may seem that way. He is not the only player that plays that way, and I have no problem with any of them, providing they play within the rules.

and im not having a go... It's just the way i feel.

My view is if Pickett get's six, then Miller should... some consistantsy would be nice.

 

[PAFC2004]

and im not having a go... It's just the way i feel.

My view is if Pickett get's six, then Miller should... some consistantsy would be nice.

That's fair enough. I think both deserved around 3. But as you said, being consistant is the most important thing.

 

[outback jack]

How the hell is he a dog? It's footy mate. It's a contact sport. He bumps legally. What is the game going to turn into if players are not allowed to bump other players?
"Moron"

mate?? anyway, good to see your back for another night. BTW why do you try to show yourself as intelligent now? You where throwing in moron all over the place so lets not deny it ok.

If you would like to know why he is a dirsty bastard, then this is why. Basically he stands on the outside of packs, waiting to line someone up and take them out. His 'bump' is hit to the head that could leave someone in a wheel chair. He doesnt win the hard ball, or put his body on the line for the team. And whats amusing is he says 'i play fairly' when he is suspended even though his captain comes out and says the opposite. I honestly think he thinks its ok. Pagan likes dirty players and would have encouraged it.

He has repeated this behavior for many yrs. I have no problem with a bump, just dont do it high, and be willing to put yourself on the line a. He rarely does any of these. If he wasnt a power player u'd agree and he cleaned up tredrea you'd be screaming about it even more. Thats the honest truth, not that u'll admit it.

 

[PAFC2004]

He bumps high on extremely rare occasions. He is an outside runner, because of his pace. He receives the ball and runs. Pickett does get a lot of hard ball gets. It's quite clear that you don't watch us play too often.
I agree that he is there to intimidate other players, but there is nothing wrong with that. Surely you would agree that head-high hits are extremely rare.

 

[outback jack]

yes his head high hits are rare, because they changed the rules because he was continually exploiting it. If he continued to do it he would play half a season. Doesnt excuse the fact that until it was changed, he would pick them off head high, which is in extremely poor taste. He still does it now, its just that it aint high, which is in the rules, but once again a poor effort imo. If he wants to go for the ball and put the bump on then go for it, or put a sheppard on for a teammate hard, then thats good to. But waiting for someone to pick up the ball and hit them aint brave, you and me could do that. Actually i'm not too sure about you.. but you can see what I mean. Anyway, i'm sure he'll get it one day, and if B miller keeps up his efforts so will he, they wont be any great loss, sooner the better.......

 

[PAFC2004]

If it's within the rules, what's the problem? He does a lot more than wait outside of packs and attack.

 

[outback jack]

because rules can be exploited and i am of the belief there is a certain 'spirit' in the game and when see somethings, you know that it just aint right. Play hard but fair imo. Someone like voss does this. The rules are crap they alter them or the interpretation of them every season, cause they are just so wrong half of the time.

He is a very good crumber on his day, but if he didnt do the dirty stuff i doubt he would be playing afl footy because this is the qualities they want from him. I'd take him though and am wondering why we didnt get him when we got carey. I've never met him, but he appears to be a bit slow, and as i have said i think he honestly thinks what he is doing is ok, cause the coaches especially would tell him that it is. Look how he hits guys(legally) as well he comes from their blind spot, which again is in the rules, but it is just dirty imo. Anyway he has a family to support so i dont think he'll be giving up his ways anytime soon.

 

[PAFC2004]

He isn't slow, just extremely shy.
He is also a very good kick, extremely fast, and a very strong body remember.

 

[outback jack]

He isn't slow, just extremely shy.
He is also a very good kick, extremely fast, and a very strong body remember.

no its thickness i was picking up not shyness.

I know you'd like to think of him as a star, but he is one of those bits players that tops a team off. He aint a great kick at all, i watched a quarter of your game on sunday and he turned it over very easily after tredrea was by himself. Most importantly though he doesnt get the ball himself, major flaw and wont be fixed. He will be remembered as dirty too, not brave.

 

[PAFC2004]

no its thickness i was picking up not shyness.

I know you'd like to think of him as a star, but he is one of those bits players that tops a team off. He aint a great kick at all, i watched a quarter of your game on sunday and he turned it over very easily after tredrea was by himself. Most importantly though he doesnt get the ball himself, major flaw and wont be fixed. He will be remembered as dirty too, not brave.

Iv'e met the bloke, he is shy.
Perhaps by you. You only watched a qtr... He does get the ball himself, he can read it very well. You should really stop before you really show how little you know about the matter.

 

[outback jack]

Iv'e met the bloke, he is shy.
Perhaps by you. You only watched a qtr... He does get the ball himself, he can read it very well. You should really stop before you really show how little you know about the matter.

i know he shy thats common knowledge, but it doesnt mean he aint stupid either, bit like you unfortunately.

Really this issue is finished its becoming boring. I'm not saying he isnt a average or slightly above average player, but he is a dirty player and with his record of cleaning up guys you cant dispute that. Until next time...........

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I posted at the time that PK got what he deserved.
BWTF Miller's act was just as bad and cops just a miserly two games when he's been warned about his tactics all season.
Should have got the same very very lucky but then he does come from a team in Melbourne.

 

[GoSarge]

pickett is still a dog, but so is miller, pretty simple. 4 wks for both is appropriate imo. Although i have no prob with pickett getting the extra 2 wks for his history of picking guys off.

What do you mean by picking guys off ? By laying bone crunching bumps (shepherds) 5 metres from the ball carrier ? Please explain

EDIT - Sorry I read the rest of the thread and saw your explanation.

My take on it is pretty simple, he's a hard player who likes the physical stuff especially 'picking guys off'. I have no problems with this if his physicality is deemed legal (ie in the way of a shepherd of a ball carrier).

I don't think he is a dog, I just think his actions on the footy field (ie the Begley incident) are occasionally stupid - hence the 6 week ban, which probably should have been approx 4 weeks. Miller should also have got approx 4 weeks as he had been at the tribunal this season already.

For those that mentioned Bickley's incident, yes i was disgusted and thought he got what he deserved.

Hmmm, I think I answered most questions.

 

[Macca19]

So? Pickett is stil a dirty player, Millers record doesn't change anything.

Err, yes it does change a lot. Everyone goes on about Pickeets dirty record and how he does this all the time blah blah, yet everyone seems to conveniently overlook the fact that Miller has been reported this year almost three times as much as Pickett has in his entire career.

So if Pickett is gonna get a ridiculous sentence on the basis of some dirty record, then surely Millers history has to come into it somewhere as well?

 

[Macca19]

If you would like to know why he is a dirsty bastard, then this is why. Basically he stands on the outside of packs, waiting to line someone up and take them out. His 'bump' is hit to the head that could leave someone in a wheel chair. He doesnt win the hard ball, or put his body on the line for the team. And whats amusing is he says 'i play fairly' when he is suspended even though his captain comes out and says the opposite. I honestly think he thinks its ok. Pagan likes dirty players and would have encouraged it.

Ahh, more jack facts!!! Gotta love em even tho they are always completely wrong. "He hit Begley in the head so he must hit everybody in the head".

Out of all of his bumps hes hit two people in the head - Begley and Krummell. All the others have been fantastic bumps that have knocked a player off his feet but caused no damage at all. I also think its funny how Johncock was applauded on these boards for his bump on Cornes in the pre season Showdown...yet Pickett is labelled a dog even tho 90% of Picketts bumps have been exactly the same as Johncocks was.

If he wasnt a power player u'd agree and he cleaned up tredrea you'd be screaming about it even more. Thats the honest truth, not that u'll admit it.

And if he was a Crows player you'd all love him. Thats the truth, not that youd admit that either. And thats the nature of the beast. Ill always remember a Crows game back in 1995. Was against Sydney at Footy Park. Riccuito had just cleaned up a Swans player (Lewis from memory) and the crowd went bananas. 5 seconds later and the very next play Connell got ironed out in basically the same incident and in a split second the crowd went from cheering one big hip and shoulder to booing and abusing the next...even tho they were exactly the same.