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who has produced the greater music and musicians.

notable artists from each nation.

UK - The Beatles, Queen, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Elton John, The Who, The Sex Pistols, Radiohead, Black Sabbath

USA - John Coltrane, Chuck Berry, Elvis, The Beach Boys, Jimmy Hendrix, Bob Dylan, Michael Jackson, The Ramones, Bruce Springsteen, Metallica

and there are plenty more from each nation.

It should also be noted that Jazz, Blues, Country, Rock n Roll and Hip-Hop all originated in the USA

Punk, Metal and New Wave Originated in the UK
 
gotta be the UK - don't even need to add too many names to the ones you mentioned, omit (clapton's many bands, the kinks, coldplay, blur, oasis come to mind). the USA's had plenty of superstars and innovators, but the UK surely takes the gold.
 
Hard to say, when you're judging the actual bands, but you can pretty much trace the history of every single one of those British bands to American music styles.

Without American jazz, blues, punk and folk music influences, you can pretty much cross off every British band you've listed.

The British bands might edge the American ones on actual music produced, but considering that between Louie Armstrong, Robert Johnson, Iggy Pop and Bob Dylan, you can pretty much account for most of the greatest music of the last 100 years, it's pretty safe to say that the USA wins this battle.
 
Oh, and punk originated in the USA, not the UK - MC5, The Stooges and the New York Dolls all released albums in a 12 month period in 1969-70 that laid down the prototype for future punk bands, well before the existence of The Sex Pistols and The Clash.

Metal is dubious as well, coming from the likes of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and Deep Purple, who all readily admit and acknowledge the amount that they borrowed their sound form American blues music.

You might have a point with New Wave... But is that anything to be proud of.
 

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US.

Grunge - Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice In Chains, Pearl Jam
Alternative - Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr. Smashing Pumpkins
Pop Punk/Emo - The Get Up Kids, Brand New, Taking Back Sunday
Punk - Dead Kennedys, Propagandi
Stoner - Om, Helmet, Fu Manchu
Post-Metal - Isis, Cult of Luna, Pelican

The Mars Volta, Rage Against The Machine, At The Drive-In, Between The Buried & Me, TV On The Radio, Megadeth, Mastodon, Lamb of God, Jeff Buckley, Elliott Smith, Bright Eyes, Faith No More, Death Cab For Cutie, Creedence Clearwater Revival etc etc etc.
 
USA bands and music in general for me.

Although the English have better taste. So many quality US artists have had to go Europe/UK to succeed.
 
Many of my favorite artists are from the US. I rank Simon & Garfunkel and REM up with every british band I like with the exception of The Beatles and perhaps Radiohead.

But overall the brits have the yanks covered quite easily.

UK for me.
 
Oakland Raider said:
USA bands and music in general for me.

Although the English have better taste. So many quality US artists have had to go Europe/UK to succeed.
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The Brit's Stones, Beatles, Led Zep were all influenced by American Roots as well as Americán's Stooges/New York Dolls. ie Howlin Wolf/Leadbelly/Muddy Waters/Sonny Boy Williamson/Chuck Berry/Little Richard/Bo Diddley/Jerry Lee Lewis etc.. so i agree with you. USA by a street.
 
In terms of the top tier and influence, it's close, but definitely the UK. Plus, many of the most influential US bands just aren't my cup of tea. However, when you move beyond there and look at the overall picture, the UK kicks arse. Goddamn the USA has produced some crap in recent times.

Tool and Mastodon are the only two great US bands IMO. Perhaps Explosions In the Sky and Alice in Chains fall in just below them. Other than them four, theres only a handful of US bands I actually like.
 
For music with balls, which is what I generally like, it's got to be the United States (Metallica, Guns n Roses, Nirvana etc). Also 90s hip hop/rap.

However, the electronic music tips it over to the United Kingdom for me (Prodigy, drum n bass) to go along with the classic bands like Queen, Stones, Police etc.


One thing is for sure though, the Anglo-Western countries >>> daylight >>> rest of world combined.
 
Considering the population difference the UK would have to be it for me. Has to be the weather, all that time spent indoors. ;)
 
Vinnie Vegas said:
Oh, and punk originated in the USA, not the UK - MC5, The Stooges and the New York Dolls all released albums in a 12 month period in 1969-70 that laid down the prototype for future punk bands, well before the existence of The Sex Pistols and The Clash.
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The origins of punk predate anything from the US. You Really Got Me by The Kinks and My Generation by The Who are the 2 songs that lit that fuse.

Long before the US did it.
 
sherrinorburley said:
The Brit's Stones, Beatles, Led Zep were all influenced by American Roots as well as Americán's Stooges/New York Dolls. ie Howlin Wolf/Leadbelly/Muddy Waters/Sonny Boy Williamson/Chuck Berry/Little Richard/Bo Diddley/Jerry Lee Lewis etc.. so i agree with you. USA by a street.
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And every black artist you named there was influenced by the language that allowed them to become famous.

The language of English.
 

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AndSmithMustScore said:
The origins of punk predate anything from the US. You Really Got Me by The Kinks and My Generation by The Who are the 2 songs that lit that fuse.

Long before the US did it.
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You could argue about this forever, and people have, but the UK is where Punk actually 'happened" regardless of who planted the first seed. Life was maybe too comfortable in the US (and Australia) for it to really catch on. In the UK the situation was grim for many young people at the time, and Punk found it's audience there.



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Vinnie Vegas said:
Hard to say, when you're judging the actual bands, but you can pretty much trace the history of every single one of those British bands to American music styles.

Without American jazz, blues, punk and folk music influences, you can pretty much cross off every British band you've listed.
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Alot of folk music was taken to the US from the UK and Ireland.

So many traditional folk songs originated from Irish or Scottish immigrants who came to the US.

The same for Country & Western.

The British bands might edge the American ones on actual music produced, but considering that between Louie Armstrong, Robert Johnson, Iggy Pop and Bob Dylan, you can pretty much account for most of the greatest music of the last 100 years, it's pretty safe to say that the USA wins this battle.
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That's all highly debatable.

99% of people have never heard of Robert Johnson and if they did hear him sing they'd probably think he was rather quite average.
 
This sorta things been done before, at the end of the day it just depends on your own personal taste. Although I'd say UK purely because America is responsible for incredibly shit modern day mainstream R&B/ hip hop aka autotune...
 
External Inputs said:
You could argue about this forever, and people have, but the UK is where Punk actually 'happened" regardless of who planted the first seed. Life was maybe too comfortable in the US (and Australia) for it to really catch on. In the UK the situation was grim for many young people at the time, and Punk found it's audience there.
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Completely disagree - CBGBs was up and running, with acts like The Ramones and Patti Smith performing in New York, and that birthed a whole culture of punk rock before the Sex Pistols had even formed, and the situation in New York in the early 70s during the Vietnam war created a legion of disaffected youths that epitomised punk rock at least as much as the UKs punk scene.

Hell, Malcolm McLaren got the idea for the Sex Pistols' image after he arrived back in England from managing the New York Dolls in New York. It's not like I'm on a one-horse crusade here - It's widely acknowledged that his time in NY managing the Dolls influenced the direction he took that band, and that band was the start of the punk rock scene in the UK.

Punk rock in the UK was essentially imported from the scene that already existed in Lower Manhattan.
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99% of people have never heard of Robert Johnson and if they did hear him sing they'd probably think he was rather quite average.
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Yeah, but Robert Johnson influenced guys like Muddy Waters who influenced guys like Chuck Berry, and Chuck Berry influenced everyone who ever tried to play rock n roll music, whether they know it or not.

Eric Clapton called Robert Johnson "the most important blues singer that ever lived".

It's probably unfair to rate Robert Johnson's influence based on his direct record sales...
 

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Zarrix said:
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Well, they do have ABBA, but they are of course countered by the Opeth beast.

But I disgress...
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Don't forget they gave us Europe too. :p

It's amazing how many good metal (or metal related) bands have come from Sweden.

Couple of my favourites from Sweden would be Bathory, Cult of Luna, Khoma, Machinae Supremacy, Tiamat and Opeth, and besides 1 or 2, that's not even really getting into the most of the big name metal bands from there.

I voted UK for Pink Floyd, Black Sabbath, Muse, Anathema, Iron Maiden, My Dying Bride, Cathedral, Paradise Lost.
 
sherrinorburley said:
The Brit's Stones, Beatles, Led Zep were all influenced by American Roots as well as Americán's Stooges/New York Dolls. ie Howlin Wolf/Leadbelly/Muddy Waters/Sonny Boy Williamson/Chuck Berry/Little Richard/Bo Diddley/Jerry Lee Lewis etc.. so i agree with you. USA by a street.
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Dont forget The Sonic's/Trashmen/The Seeds from the early 60's punk day's to name a few more.

USA without question for me too. They speak better English ;)
 
Vinnie Vegas said:
Completely disagree - CBGBs was up and running, with acts like The Ramones and Patti Smith performing in New York, and that birthed a whole culture of punk rock before the Sex Pistols had even formed, and the situation in New York in the early 70s during the Vietnam war created a legion of disaffected youths that epitomised punk rock at least as much as the UKs punk scene.
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The Ramones aren't punk! :p

They had a republican and a democrat in the band that never got along politically.

They just played loud fast garage rock. Which had already been done by brit bands in the early 60's.

My Generation by The Who is more punk than anything the Ramones did.

"people try to put us down..."

There's the first Punk lyric ever written.

Hell, Malcolm McLaren got the idea for the Sex Pistols' image after he arrived back in England from managing the New York Dolls in New York. It's not like I'm on a one-horse crusade here - It's widely acknowledged that his time in NY managing the Dolls influenced the direction he took that band, and that band was the start of the punk rock scene in the UK.
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English groups were playing similar styles of music before McLaren had anything to do with it.

SS London were just as vital (The Clash, The Damned) to the English punk movement and later bands as compared to the Pistols.

And that was formed by Mick Jones whose biggest influence was Mott the Hoople.

The Dolls themselves weren't punk, they were more like glam rock/hard rock.

They looked more like Twisted Sister than what today is viewed as punk.


Yeah, but Robert Johnson influenced guys like Muddy Waters who influenced guys like Chuck Berry, and Chuck Berry influenced everyone who ever tried to play rock n roll music, whether they know it or not.

Eric Clapton called Robert Johnson "the most important blues singer that ever lived".

It's probably unfair to rate Robert Johnson's influence based on his direct record sales...
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Johnson wasn't original, he stole his soul to the devil story from Tommy Johnson.

He drew musical influence from guys like Charlie Patton, Son House and Lonnie Johnson etc

He was able to do that because records in the form of 78's were becoming more readily available.

I'm not saying other artists don't worship him and draw from his music for their inspiration.

I'm saying blues as a musical beast is incestuous and has always been about ripping others sounds and calling it your own because thee's very little in regards to copyright to protect those early tunes.

Once copyright for music became possible then artists could at least prove/protect their orginality.
 
AndSmithMustScore said:
The Ramones aren't punk!

My Generation by The Who is more punk than anything the Ramones did.
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If you move the boundaries to define punk as "something that British bands did", then obviously you can make this argument, but if you want to be coherent and rational, and your argument is that The Stooges and The Ramones were not punk bands, then you achieve a rarified degree of irrationality.
 

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