Vafa U19 (3)

[The Big Pineapple]

Yeh thats what i meant by a bit early to write them off, i know they had a good school team last year, however so did PEGS, and they havent been travelling to well lately, so i dont what kind of indication that gives. Can anyone let me know how these 2 teams are going, as i follow the AGSV closely, and its suprising to see them struggling.

The attraction of a little bit of $$$ from the EDFL really hurts at Old Essendon. The top 5-8 from PEGS year 12 normally go to EDFL and a few VFL which means that Old Essendon under 19s stuggle for match winner type players.

 

[Frazz]

you can say that again.. old essendon have no chance this year if they play like they have the last 2 weeks...hardley ever first to the ball, their half forward line just expects to get the ball without leading anywhere and to do that for 4 quarters obviously says something about the coach.

Ivanhoe on the other hand will do well because of their committment to the ball and tough gameplay, no matter who lines up on the field.

The wildcard for this year is Melbourne HIgh OB who can imporve 2 fold if their 4-5 best players are dropped from their senior ranks. but i guess most clubs face this problem especially oakliegh with their players being taken due to higher playing grades or something like that.

 

[Knight Rider]

Do most 19's teams train with the seniors or separately, perhaps even on another night?

Oakleigh are in D3...hardly requires skillful 19's to win you games!

 

[mightysainters]

EDITED: look down

 

[mightysainters]

Ajax? After demolishing Emmaus are by no means a powerhouse or whipping boys... That will be Old Essendon Grammar and Emmaus.
Round 3 predictions
Emmaus St Leos vs Ormond
Ivanhoe vs Ajax (Although may be a tight one)
OEG vs St Bedes
La Trobe vs Oakleigh
Melbourne High School vs Bentleigh will be an interesting one.

5/5 Although my 'may be a tight one' for the Ivanhoe game quite off the mark. La Trobe stuck with Oakleigh much more than I expected after looking very ordinary against St Bedes. St Bedes came through down at PEGS with a win although their ruck divisions didn't look so dominant with the big OEG ruckman dominating hitouts. Although St Bedes' midfield looked far too classy for the OEG's players, with St Bedes running them off their feet.
Bentleigh came out as underdogs and really dominated the game with Melbourne kicking some late consilation goals.
Ivanhoe on all reports (and score) smashed AJAX and looked very good. Will be an interesting week coming up.

 

[Knight Rider]

Pick your winners again this week Might Saint....

 

[Nathan Brown #7]

mightysainters... your giving me nothing. i thought you were the man to ask on this division..

 

[Knight Rider]

Mighty sainter how do you perceive to know so much about this division, or was your tipping just a one off fluke?

Nathan Brown - look to see the AGSV teams fly home in the second half of the year!

 

[mightysainters]

Settle fellas was a big week in Under 19 divi three football.

Review
Ormond vs Old Ivanhoe 57-106
Old Ivanhoe stamped athority in EE Gun Reserve that was a massive upset IMO. Ormond obviously have 3-5 guys promoted to the Seniors but that does not slide when you're meant ot be a contender... Perhaps I underestimated the hoers losing to Oakleigh and Bedes is no shame at all both very strong sides. The game in all reports was dominated by Old Ivanhoe winning every quater quite convincing puting there body in much harder and seemed far too physical at times. The hoers victorious by 49 points to give Ormond their first loss.

Ajax vs Latrobe 91-98
Also La Trobe winning a very unconvincingly with Ajax having 8 more scoring shots than them in which I have had no real word on how the match was perhaps the la trobe player who comes on can tell us about it. With La Trobe getting over the line by 7 points.

Bentleigh vs Emmaus St Leos 150-70
Bentleigh dominated the whole game, far too physical and fast for Emmaus St Leo's who are being known as the percentage team. Bentleigh although was far from their best and was their worst performance for the year so far (maybe on par with their ormond game). Stray kicking did effect them constantly with Bentleigh only really hitting their straps in the last quater piling on the goals making the scoreboard look a bit more attractive.

On a side note: Emmaus look far too outclased in this division getting promoted from division 5 (red) section to section 3 which has proved costly after Emmaus only losing 1 game for the year last year.

Oakleigh vs OEG 133-50
Oakleigh as expected beat them by a decent margin although just like bentleigh was never really convincing in the game... At times turning it on like a premiership contender only to start cruising once more. They really look good when they're firing but in this particular game just like Bentleigh their kicking was wayward in front of goal. Oakleigh's midfield was dominant and backline pretty solid but expecting more than that this week....

St Bedes Mentone vs Melbourne High OB 235-8
Really was an absolute farce of a match. Melbourne High promoting 4-5 players to their seniors from last week only added to the destruction mentone inflicted on the hapless high school who could do nothing right in a game they got smashed in by a far better in every way team. Mentone looked likely all day (obviously) winning in EVERY department. 54 scoring shots to 3 pretty much sums up this match. St Bedes having a few TAC Players playing due to the Vic Metro tryouts in which they have a couple trying out for also. This was one of those matches where it shows what a dominant force Mentone are but after saying that against a very depleted Melbourne High line up and perhaps even overrated Melbourne High lineup.

Preview
Bentleigh vs St Bedes =too close to call
Old Ivanhoe vs Emmaus St Leos = 15 goals smashing
Old Essendon Grammarians vs Ajax fc = will win by 6 goals
La Trobe vs Ormond = 6 goals
Melbourne High vs Oakleigh = (depending on the Melbourne Hugh lineup) could be 5 goals or 15

P.S No offence to the guy who rights the previews and reviews in the VAFA Guide he really does not know much about this section and looks at the results....

 

[Knight Rider]

Yeah every time I read his report he just talks absolute rubbish!

Looks like Old Ivanhoe are ready to make a move on the comp and perhaps Old Essendon can do likewise this week against Ajax. Given both teams were strong AGSV sides last season, I'm tipping them so start playing good football. Also remember that these teams seniors are in A/B Grade so good players will be in the seniors regularly.

 

[The Big Pineapple]

Also remember that these teams seniors are in A/B Grade so good players will be in the seniors regularly.

Disagree KR.

Shouldn't teams in A & B grade rely on senior talent instead of taking players from the 19's? 1 or 2 players in the seniors at any one time but that's it. Any more than that shows that a club has no depth.

 

[Kibe]

Settle fellas was a big week in Under 19 divi three football.

Review
Ormond vs Old Ivanhoe 57-106
Old Ivanhoe stamped athority in EE Gun Reserve that was a massive upset IMO. Ormond obviously have 3-5 guys promoted to the Seniors but that does not slide when you're meant ot be a contender... Perhaps I underestimated the hoers losing to Oakleigh and Bedes is no shame at all both very strong sides. The game in all reports was dominated by Old Ivanhoe winning every quater quite convincing puting there body in much harder and seemed far too physical at times. The hoers victorious by 49 points to give Ormond their first loss.

Ajax vs Latrobe 91-98
Also La Trobe winning a very unconvincingly with Ajax having 8 more scoring shots than them in which I have had no real word on how the match was perhaps the la trobe player who comes on can tell us about it. With La Trobe getting over the line by 7 points.

Bentleigh vs Emmaus St Leos 150-70
Bentleigh dominated the whole game, far too physical and fast for Emmaus St Leo's who are being known as the percentage team. Bentleigh although was far from their best and was their worst performance for the year so far (maybe on par with their ormond game). Stray kicking did effect them constantly with Bentleigh only really hitting their straps in the last quater piling on the goals making the scoreboard look a bit more attractive.

On a side note: Emmaus look far too outclased in this division getting promoted from division 5 (red) section to section 3 which has proved costly after Emmaus only losing 1 game for the year last year.

Oakleigh vs OEG 133-50
Oakleigh as expected beat them by a decent margin although just like bentleigh was never really convincing in the game... At times turning it on like a premiership contender only to start cruising once more. They really look good when they're firing but in this particular game just like Bentleigh their kicking was wayward in front of goal. Oakleigh's midfield was dominant and backline pretty solid but expecting more than that this week....

St Bedes Mentone vs Melbourne High OB 235-8
Really was an absolute farce of a match. Melbourne High promoting 4-5 players to their seniors from last week only added to the destruction mentone inflicted on the hapless high school who could do nothing right in a game they got smashed in by a far better in every way team. Mentone looked likely all day (obviously) winning in EVERY department. 54 scoring shots to 3 pretty much sums up this match. St Bedes having a few TAC Players playing due to the Vic Metro tryouts in which they have a couple trying out for also. This was one of those matches where it shows what a dominant force Mentone are but after saying that against a very depleted Melbourne High line up and perhaps even overrated Melbourne High lineup.

Preview
Bentleigh vs St Bedes =too close to call
Old Ivanhoe vs Emmaus St Leos = 15 goals smashing
Old Essendon Grammarians vs Ajax fc = will win by 6 goals
La Trobe vs Ormond = 6 goals
Melbourne High vs Oakleigh = (depending on the Melbourne Hugh lineup) could be 5 goals or 15

P.S No offence to the guy who rights the previews and reviews in the VAFA Guide he really does not know much about this section and looks at the results....

Feel it is my duty to defend St.Leo's! I know from an inside source that they have kept only 2 of their premiership squad from last year, and both those two are out injured - with the rest too old to play U/19's. some of those have gone to the seniors, other chasing money in the eastern league. Also, they have had their best 4 or 5 playing ones each week, given the way the ones are travelling with injuries etc.

They would be more than competitive with last years squad, however have a team of 90% first year under 19's. They are improving, however, and have heard they put some good passages of play together last week. Also, the 80 point margin flattered Bentleigh somewhat - 7 or 8 goals would have been a more reflective margin of the game.

They will surprise some teams later in the year, are improving and getting good numbers on the track. It will be a long year for them, but hopefully will get a couple of wins for the year!

 

[Knight Rider]

Disagree KR.

Shouldn't teams in A & B grade rely on senior talent instead of taking players from the 19's? 1 or 2 players in the seniors at any one time but that's it. Any more than that shows that a club has no depth.

some 19's might actually want to play in the seniors and could even be better players already than those who are in the senior squad.

however, totally agree it should be limited to 1 or 2 max!

 

[mightysainters]

Feel it is my duty to defend St.Leo's! I know from an inside source that they have kept only 2 of their premiership squad from last year, and both those two are out injured - with the rest too old to play U/19's. some of those have gone to the seniors, other chasing money in the eastern league. Also, they have had their best 4 or 5 playing ones each week, given the way the ones are travelling with injuries etc.

They would be more than competitive with last years squad, however have a team of 90% first year under 19's. They are improving, however, and have heard they put some good passages of play together last week. Also, the 80 point margin flattered Bentleigh somewhat - 7 or 8 goals would have been a more reflective margin of the game.

They will surprise some teams later in the year, are improving and getting good numbers on the track. It will be a long year for them, but hopefully will get a couple of wins for the year!

Sorry will have to pull you up on that... Bentleigh should have mauled them but innacurate kicking was the factor that let St Leo's only trail by 6 or 7 goals until the last quater.
St Leo's realistically should of been beaten by well over 100 points like every other game they have played which I have witnessed a couple.

 

[Is that so]

So how where this weeks games boys, such a big comp with so little to say.
Finals bound: Oakleigh, St Bedes, Old Iva and not cpnvinced of any others as yet.

 

[Knight Rider]

So how where this weeks games boys, such a big comp with so little to say.
Finals bound: Oakleigh, St Bedes, Old Iva and not cpnvinced of any others as yet.

Saw Old Essendon got a win on the weekend, perhaps the AGSV teams will round out the 4 by years end...

They only lost to St Bedes by 50pts which was been very respectable given recent results by other teams.

 

[Max Leader]

VAFA ignore Under 19(3)

Nine selections in the final 48 - to be cut down to a final squad of 24

2 - StB
2 - OEG
2 - MHSOB
2 - AJAX
1 - Ormond
0 - Oakleigh - No room for the equal leading full forward
0 - OI - No room for the equal leading full forward

3 players from the top 4.

Must not think much of these teams!!!!

 

[GetSmart]

most of the players in the under 19 state squad dont even play in the 19's. Chisholm from ormond play's in the ones. Jenke for Ajax plays in the ones and Collins for St.bedes plays in the ones. That is saying that most of the players in the 19 (3) are not good enough to make the squad and if they were any good would be playing in the ones for there club.

 

[Irony]

I would have to say Oakleigh this week to beat St bedes in a top of the ladder match. Oakleigh just too strong with some Tac Cup players returning to the team.

 

[Nathan Brown #7]

I would have to say Oakleigh this week to beat St bedes in a top of the ladder match. Oakleigh just too strong with some Tac Cup players returning to the team.

Definatly game of the round. Im tipping St Bede's, i just feel they are the stronger team at the moment, definatly flying. How far ahead of the rest competition do you think these two teams are at the moment?

My top 4 at the moment i think would be

St bede's
Oakley
Ivanhoe
Bentleigh/Ormand (will be easier to tell this week after the Ivanhoe vs Bentleigh whose the best side out of these 3 teams.)

MHSOB
PEGS
La trobe
Ajax (probably second last) - 2 state players?
Emmaus (last)

 

[Is that so]

VAFA ignore Under 19(3)

Nine selections in the final 48 - to be cut down to a final squad of 24

2 - StB
2 - OEG
2 - MHSOB
2 - AJAX
1 - Ormond
0 - Oakleigh - No room for the equal leading full forward
0 - OI - No room for the equal leading full forward

3 players from the top 4.

Must not think much of these teams!!!!

Oakleigh FF more about the delivery that his ability.
OI FF not a genuine tall well stuctured team who craet eth mismatch to free him up - How many contested marks does he take?

As someone else already said the best U19s are probably playing seniors or shoud be pushing them selces up to be.

 

[Knight Rider]

Oakleigh FF more about the delivery that his ability.
OI FF not a genuine tall well stuctured team who craet eth mismatch to free him up - How many contested marks does he take?

As someone else already said the best U19s are probably playing seniors or shoud be pushing them selces up to be.

The Oakleigh FF should do well judging but how old he looks...the hands of time haven't been kind!

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

The Oakleigh FF should do well judging but how old he looks...the hands of time haven't been kind!

Are you suggesting someone is playing funny buggers with birth details down at Oakleigh

 

[pinelodge]

yeh i agree this "state sqaud" they are putting together baffles me. They pick blokes playing C & D1 grade seniors and leave blokes out who play for A & B grade club's who cant break into the seniors cos their seniors are too strong. If ur playing for Ajax and u rate urself ud wana be playing seniors. Our full forward has jagged 20 something in 5 games and they've given him doughnuts. The coach of the state team had the nerve to tell one of our blokes whose an U/19 playing A grade seniors that they wouldnt pick him in the squad cos he wasnt doing enough in the seniors. Marcellin also have a few gun U/19 boys playing seniors who are guns that didnt get a look in either. So congrats if u make the team but dont start wearing the state shorts in the home and away rounds, thinking your the sh*t.

 

[leftfootkick]

Firstly i agree with a lot of whats been said, however i would like to put one thing straight.... its not the state coaches that pick the initial squad, its the club coaches that elect upto 2 players from their u/19 list to make up the original state squad... in a few circumstances, 3 have been put down but the VAFA usual needs written explaination why theres a 3rd one. Than once the original squad is announced the actual STATE COACH comes into play and starts looking at the talent given to him to cut it to a final 48 than a final 23.

On another note, this should be another big in u/19 (3) football, oakleigh vs st. bedes IS clearly match of the round but IMO the ivanhoe v bentleigh game should b a season teller for who gets that vital 3rd or 4th spot when finals come. Its between IVANHOE, BENTLEIGH and ORMOND, who'll be there??????????