News & Events Vale John F Kennedy

[Mooster7]

Having said that, I'm sure there is more to this than we know....

Not really. It never happened. In Oliver Stone's film, you see Ferrie arrested and taken to the Fountainbleu Hotel to be clandestinely interrogated. This was to make Ferrie appear guilty to the audience and to also add mystery and the urgent need for secrecy in the interrogation. In reality, Ferrie heard that the evil psycho bastard Garrison was looking for him, and voluntarily went to Garrison's office to talk to him about it. Ferrie denied knowing anything about the assassination. He denied knowing Oswald & Ruby. Everything you see Ferrie talking about in that scene never ****ing happened. It was written by Oliver Stone. Also, David Ferrie died of natural causes - a cerebral aneurysm. In the film, Ferrie is murdered by members of the 'conspiracy.' By poison if I remember correctly. As an aside, I think that's Joe Pesci's worst acting performance of his career. Suitable given that it's the biggest bunch of bullshit he's ever had to deliver. Well...perhaps other than in Home Alone 2. That movie sucked too and was also pure fiction.

Oliver Stone's film is all bullshit. If you and I sat down with some beers to watch that movie, and I paused the film every time there was some bullshit to explain why it's false, it would take us four days to get through it. Seriously. But imagine all that beer.

 

[Big48]

Not really. It never happened. In Oliver Stone's film, you see Ferrie arrested and taken to the Fountainbleu Hotel to be clandestinely interrogated. This was to make Ferrie appear guilty to the audience and to also add mystery and the urgent need for secrecy in the interrogation. In reality, Ferrie heard that the evil psycho bastard Garrison was looking for him, and voluntarily went to Garrison's office to talk to him about it. Ferrie denied knowing anything about the assassination. He denied knowing Oswald & Ruby. Everything you see Ferrie talking about in that scene never ****ing happened. It was written by Oliver Stone. Also, David Ferrie died of natural causes - a cerebral aneurysm. In the film, Ferrie is murdered by members of the 'conspiracy.' By poison if I remember correctly. As an aside, I think that's Joe Pesci's worst acting performance of his career. Suitable given that it's the biggest bunch of bullshit he's ever had to deliver. Well...perhaps other than in Home Alone 2. That movie sucked too and was also pure fiction.

Oliver Stone's film is all bullshit. If you and I sat down with some beers to watch that movie, and I paused the film every time there was some bullshit to explain why it's false, it would take us four days to get through it. Seriously. But imagine all that beer.

Every Post of yours i read........Respect

Im Convinced

Back to your original regarding Big Foot.
Whats your take on Big Foot? I believe he exists or use to exist.
Convince me otherwise.

 

[krusden]

Having said that, I'm sure there is more to this than we know....

as far as i recall many documents are sealed until a time in 2017 that could have further evidence concerning the case. the "time limit on official secrets" type of documents.

so until such documents are released to the public domain and questions remain unanswered then the conspiracy theories will continue circulating. with good reason too IMO.

 

[Fossie 32]

How about JFK's head jerking backward and contents being blown out backwards? How does that work if he was shot from behind?

 

[DarwinRoo]

I'm sure that Mooster can pluck something out of his arse to explain that.

 

[showdownhero]

I'm sure that Mooster can pluck something out of his arse to explain that.

So instead of actually refuting any of his arguments with anything even resembling facts you accuse him of plucking info from his arse.

Strong posting is strong

 

[DarwinRoo]

Well if he can explain how a head, shot from behind, suddenly goes back and to the left instead of forward then I would very much like to hear it.

Someone just doesn't want to admit that a President of the United States was killed by his own government.

What reason did Oswald have to kill Kennedy?

 

[Football God]

theres a doco on this on sbs right naows!!!!!11!

 

[beez]

theres a doco on this on sbs right naows!!!!!11!

You are/were obviously waiting for late night pr0n

 

[Football God]

You are/were obviously waiting for late night pr0n

lol'd

6 russians. wait wut

 

[Breeder Reactor]

Well if he can explain how a head, shot from behind, suddenly goes back and to the left instead of forward then I would very much like to hear it.

Someone just doesn't want to admit that a President of the United States was killed by his own government.

What reason did Oswald have to kill Kennedy?

Oswald did not kill Kennedy.

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[EagleMan87]

Oswald did not kill Kennedy.

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Anyone else think of this?

Anya: (in a girls voice) "Dear Lisa, as write this, I am very sad. Our president has been overthrown...(man's voice) and replaced by the benevolent General Krull! All hail Krull, and his glorious new regime! Sincerely, little girl."

 

[Breeder Reactor]

Anyone else think of this?

Anya: (in a girls voice) "Dear Lisa, as write this, I am very sad. Our president has been overthrown...(man's voice) and replaced by the benevolent General Krull! All hail Krull, and his glorious new regime! Sincerely, little girl."

I wish i could access my copy of DOPE INC. But i have lost it. It's around somewhere.
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Research New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison and British Intelligence front company Permindex.

 

[Mooster7]

How about JFK's head jerking backward and contents being blown out backwards? How does that work if he was shot from behind?

First of all, JFK's head went forward upon impact, but we can get to that later.

The great majority of the blood and brain ejecta went dramatically upward and forward.

There was some localized splatter in all directions within the limo, but this is perfectly reasonable if you look at the event in hyper slow speed. When the bullet enters his head, it slows down. The correct way to refer to this slowing down is to say that the bullet loses energy. The energy of course can't be lost, it is translated into the brain. Some of it in the form of heat, some of it fragments the bullet, and the majority of the energy in the form of kinetic force or pressure. Because the skull is enclosed, this causes an enormous buildup of intracranial pressure with nowhere to go. Once the bullet exits and creates an opening in the upper right temporal region of the head, the pressure explodes violently, fracturing the skull open from the top and on the right side of his head taking a large volume of tissue and fluids with it. The movement of the head after the explosion is the result of this massive sympathetic discharge (some call that the "jet effect") .

If you look at a high contrast photo of Zapruder frame 313, you can clearly see the ejecta travelling up and forward. Quite a bit upward as a matter of fact. This jet effect has been tested so many times that it's really no longer a point of argument. The only time I've seen a test fail was when some conspiracy types filled ceramic skulls with ballistic gelatin. In those tests the skull went forward rather than backward. The problem with their tests is that ballistic gelatin is designed to hold together and register the energy translated by a projectile passing through it. It can act quite a bit like a human torso and similate muscle, skin and fat. It's not designed to act like blood, brain and dura mater which doesn't hold together. When ballistic gel is blasted out it takes the test skull with it much like shooting a rubber band. If you fill a simulated skull with cow or pig brains (which obviously act like brains - being brains) the skull will jump backward toward the shooter. Every time. This also can work with mangoes and most members of the melon family if the tests are conducted properly.

As I stated, even though the majority of the ejecta goes upward and forward, the explosion of the top and right side of Kennedy's skull and brain is going to go in every which way. Some of it backward, but not much of it. One of the key things conspiracy types point to in claiming a shot from the front, and in relation to the ejecta, is the fact that the motorcycle police officer riding just aft and to the left of the Presidential limo got splatter on his windscreen. He described it as driving through a "ligh pink rain." This is easily explainable. The mix of blood and cerebrospinal fluid which blew upward and outward obviously had to fall due to the laws of gravity. It did fall and the cop drove through it a mere moment later.

A quick but relevant anecdote: I once responded to the gunshot suicide of a 16 year old girl. She had shot herself in the head with a .357 Magnum. She was a very pretty girl and this was a damn shame, really. I had an interest in the JFK case at the time and I noticed that the wound pattern to her head was similar (although not identical) to that of Kennedy. The interesting thing was the splatter pattern within the room. She had shot herself just behind the right temple with the projectile travelling forward and up. The main point here is that the ejecta blew all over the room, not just in one specific direction although the majority of it went up and forward. Most notably, and something I'll always remember is that the girl had very long, dark slightly curly hair. All over the ceilling were individual pieces consisting of bloody brain, scalp and then a contrail of hair trailing downward like strange tailed creatures feasting on the ceiling in the manner of leeches. But the splatter went everywhere. Some of it behind her. The ejecta went in all directions and she was only shot once from one direction.

In Oliver Stone's film, you see Kevin Costner (a better actor than Keanu Reeves, but not by far) hitting a mannequin with a baseball bat. He hits it in the head from the front and the head goes back. That's nice. However, all it proves is that if you hit a mannequin in the head from the front with a baseball bat, the head will go back. Nothing more.

I said that Kennedy's head went forward upon being struck and it did. If you compare Zapruder frames 312 (before head being struck) with frame 313 (the impact) you can see that Kennedy's head travels forward about 2 inches (approx 5cm) which is evidence of a shot coming from the rear where Oswald was located. Then there is a the backward snap you see beginning subsequent to frame 313 which is of course due to the physics of the massive sympathetic discharge (jet effect) and something else I'll talk about in a moment. The 2 inch forward movement of the head is proof of a bullet striking from the rear especially once you consider that it fits perfectly with all of the other evidence in the case, most notably the medical evidence which shows an entry wound to the back of the head.

You have to see the whole picture and consider all the evidence in totality. It's not that conspiracy theorist fail to see the forest because of the trees, or fail to see the trees because of the leaves. They fail to see the leaves because they focus on the little tiny aphid bugs on the leaves. They see the little insects and if one seems out of place to them they exclaim, "Eureka! There is no forest!" WTF? All of the medical and ballistic evidence shows that JKF was shot twice and both times from behind. There is no evidence of a shot from the front.

Not only did JFK's head snap backward (after it goes forward) but his body went back as well. This is due to a neuromuscular reaction - and YES this has been tested and scientifically demonstrated as well. When the bullet destroyed the right hemisphere of Kennedy's brain, his brain sent out a shockwave of electrochemical energy nearly instantly throughout his central nervous system. This activated and caused contractions in all of the muscles south of the head. The muscles of the back are stronger than the ones in front and this results in a dramatic backward arching of the body. The body then goes limp and slumps - in this case to the left. Jet effect, involuntary neuromuscular contraction, followed by a limp slump, and you get "Back and to the left." Back and to the left. Back and to....

But wait there's more. Part of the problem in failing to understand the reaction by Kennedy's body comes from movies and not just Oliver Stone's stupid ****ing movie. In action flicks (which are way cool) when someone is shot, they go flying backward a good long ways and often fly through a window or something. It's done that way on film because it looks cool and for no other reason. This has nothing to do with reality, however. Unfortunately, these dramatic reactions by action movie stunt actors are all the conspiracists know about shootings and this causes a lot of their misunderstanding.

In the real world, when a person is shot, they pretty much drop right where they stand. This is because, although a bullet may have a relatively high muzzle velocity and energy, this energy translates mostly into penetrating power because the bullet carries very little mass (and it's pointy). I'm sure you're all aware of the physical law of equal and opposite reactions. This applies to ballistics too. In other words the overall "pushing" affect the bullet will have on the victim will not exceed the kick the gun has on the shooter. Therefore if the gunshot victim is going to go flying backward 3 meters or so, then the butt of the rifle is going to push the shooter back 3 meters or so. No shit. That's insescapable science.

Picture this: A cowboy in a western saloon shoots a bad guy with his rifle, and the bad guy flies through the air over the bar and breaks all the bourbon bottles back there. The cowboy, according to science would likewise go flying backwards through the saloon window. There's never been a rifle made that will kick back like that. If there was such a rifle, no one would shoot the damn thing because it would pulverize their shoulder. Ouch! Godam! Fortunately, again, there is no such rifle and no such reaction from a shooting victim - other than in movies. Because it looks cool. The impact can move the head forward a couple of inches (as it did in this case) but so can the force of the kick of a rifle.

You can see in the Zapruder film that, after the quick 2 inch forward movement of the head, Kennedy goes backward quickly and within just a few frames (each frame is about 1/18th of a second) after the head wound. That's a strong reaction. But as explained in the paragraphs above, a two ounce bullet cannot shove a 170 pound dude like that. It can only do that in the movies, not in real life.

Since the back and to the left reaction of Kennedy's body is demonstrably completely unrelated to the force of the bullet, the fact that he goes back and to the left is irrelevant to the "argument" that he must have been struck from the front. Look, you don't have to believe that the proven science of the jet effect caused the reaction. You don't have to believe the proven science of the neuromuscualar reaction caused JFK's motion. But you cannot believe that he went back and to the left due to being shot from the front because physics will not allow that type of force reaction.

There ya go.

 

[r dub 19]

Mooster wins at the internet.

 

[The Chiefton]

Anybody find it strange that in the footage shown last night LHO was the only person to look at Ruby as he leapt out in front of him moments before he fatally shot him?

 

[Shemp 54]

Anybody find it strange that in the footage shown last night LHO was the only person to look at Ruby as he leapt out in front of him moments before he fatally shot him?

Not a good move to allow every man and his dog into the room if they wanted to move him out safely

 

[Big48]

So instead of actually refuting any of his arguments with anything even resembling facts you accuse him of plucking info from his arse.

Strong posting is strong

^^This

 

[TheStinger]

Not a good move to allow every man and his dog into the room if they wanted to move him out safely

They didn't learn anything from that experience. Having people crammed into a room almost engulfing a person of importance is asking for trouble, as happened soon afterwards when Bobby Kennedy was killed in almost the same circumstances.

Being led into a room packed with people and a random guy pops out with a gun and shoots him. A couple of cops holding back the masses to create a small path for them to move through. Not exactly a secure environment.

You wouldn't get that today.

 

[Big48]

Mooster wins at the internet.

Exactly!

 

[krusden]

Mooster wins at the internet.

Mooster is nothing but a government plant to ensure that we all tow the party line in regards of the assassination - probably works for and is funded by the CIA/FBI/etc to spread disinformation.

 

[EagleMan87]

 

[Mooster7]

Mooster is nothing but a government plant to ensure that we all tow the party line in regards of the assassination - probably works for and is funded by the CIA/FBI/etc to spread disinformation.

Krusden, I've dobbed you into ASIS. Oh, and I agree that men aren't wearing hats enough.

 

[hagansbull]

Not a good move to allow every man and his dog into the room if they wanted to move him out safely

There were police gaurds on every entry to the basement. Oswald was never going to be allowed to talk.

 

[exe ex machina]

It's very true what you say Mooster in that long detailed post above.

However, you're neglecting a lot of other evidence about the JFK assassination.
That shots were not only heard fired but bullets found all over Dealey Plaza, emphasizes still that JFK's assassination was not a lone-gunman, but a conspiracy planned and acted upon. There's plenty more...like witnesses to the shooting of Officer Tippit saying they saw a group of men carry that out and flee. The whole Swiss watch precision of Ruby inside the Police Station. The aftermath of it all of American politics and entry into Vietnam. The further assassination of Robert Kennedy. Etc.

The point being, you state that the idea of a conspiracy to murder JFK being false. But so much of it is indicative of just that, irrespective of the science of ballistics.