Toast Vale Murray Weideman

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RIP to a Collingwood legend and our 1958 premiership captain.

From the club's website below.

Former Collingwood captain, 1958 Premiership hero and all-round Magpie legend Murray Weideman has died, aged 85.
“The Weed”, as he was widely known, remains one of the most celebrated larger-than-life characters Collingwood has ever produced.

He dominated the pages of Melbourne’s newspapers throughout the 1950s and into the 1960s. He played in a Premiership team at 17, inspired Collingwood's greatest Premiership triumph as captain at 22, was a regular target of death threats and abuse, married a beauty queen and even wrestled professionally while still playing. Later, when he returned as coach, he would become embroiled in a bitter public feud with the club president and lead the Pies to their first wooden spoon.

Nothing was ever mundane where the Weed was concerned. And that's just the way he liked it.

Murray Charles Weideman was born in Ballarat during the depression times of the 1930s, and the downturn forced his parents to sell their potato farm and move to Melbourne when Murray was only two. They bought a shop in Fairfield, and from that moment Weideman became a Magpie. “I was Collingwood-mad,” he said years later. “I just lived and died for Collingwood. I watched the games, hero-worshipped the players — it was all just black and white.”

Weideman attended Fairfield State School and Westgarth Central School and left school at 14 to work in his family’s grocery store. He played football with Rivoli under-16s (he also made a Victorian schoolboys side in 1949) but was impatient for his beloved Collingwood to notice him, so asked to trial with the thirds during the 1952 pre-season – only to be rejected for being too skinny. He returned to Rivoli with hopes crushed, but after a string of dominant local performances was invited back to Victoria Park a few months later. He kicked six goals from full-forward in his second game for the under-19s, and the Pies knew they had a player.

The next year he completed the rare feat of being elevated through all three grades in one year, starting off in the under-19s, spending the next 12 weeks with the reserves (where he did well enough to win the best-and-fairest) and finally playing a handful of games – including the Premiership – with the seniors.

Within a few years Weideman was an established star of the game. He worked hard to develop his strength and fitness and, as he turned from boy to man, his physique filled out beautifully.

It is often forgotten amidst the emphasis on the 'Enforcer' side of his game that would come later, but in the mid-to-late 1950s he was a wonderful footballer – an agile, high-marking, ball-playing key forward/follower. He was also a good kick and an accurate shot for goal, usually with flat punts. He won his first Copeland Trophy at just 21 (two more would follow later), by which time he'd already played for Victoria twice. The Weed could really play.

But he was also a natural leader, something his teammates recognised when he was made vice-captain in 1958, aged just 22. And as he assumed greater responsibilities, his game changed. He made a conscious effort to provide greater 'presence' – busting up packs, doing the shepherding and generally throwing his weight around, often to the detriment of his own game.

"Even as a young man you could see he had something special," former teammate Bill Twomey Jnr once said. "He was never going to be an ordinary footballer. And he was a leader almost from the start."

"He was an inspiring leader and a great protector of his teammates," said Thorold Merrett. "That dulled a lot of his own brilliant play but he was prepared to give up his own game to do it … we all benefited from it, but Murray suffered."

Nowhere was that role more crucial than on grand final day in 1958. Filling in for injured regular skipper Frank Tuck, Weideman and his colleagues famously roughed up the more talented Melbourne players and put them off their game, leading to what became known as 'The Miracle of '58' – the greatest upset in grand final history.

That was Weideman's career-defining performance, and he justifiably dined out on it for decades. But the short-term effects were less pleasant: he was subjected to an unprecedented campaign of threats and abuse from opposition fans. There were threatening letters and phone calls, bullets fired through his shop window, bricks thrown through his daughter’s bedroom window and bullets received through the post. In 1959 he needed police escorts to a game after threats on his life.

Far from being cowed, Weideman seemed to grow larger amidst all the focus. But by the early 1960s he had already begun to look beyond his playing career (hence dabbling with well-paid professional wrestling, competing in nine bouts as 'Wild Man Weideman'). He also began to struggle with injuries. The result was that he retired at the end of 1963 — aged just 27. He was accorded a remarkable farewell, with thousands of children joining him in a lap of honour before each of his last two games.

He had a brief stint commentating for Channel 9, captain-coached at Albury, then spent four years at West Adelaide before returning to Collingwood as senior coach in 1975. It was not a happy term, however, blighted by controversy and poor performances, and he lasted just two seasons. The Weideman name lived on briefly at Victoria Park through Murray’s son Mark, who was a sensation as a youngster, but whose senior career was badly affected by injuries. In later years, the Weed would be inducted into both the AFL and Collingwood Halls of Fame.

Murray Weideman will always be a giant figure in Collingwood history. Even those who never saw him play know much of his legend. The Weed, with his supersized personality, would get a kick out of that.

The Board, management, staff, coaches and players of the Collingwood Football Club acknowledge Murray’s outstanding contributions to our footy club, both on and off the field. Our thoughts are with his family, and all his friends both from Collingwood and beyond.

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A fantastic career.
  • Collingwood player from 1953-1963 (180 games, 262 goals).
  • Premiership player in 1953 and 1958.
  • 1958 premiership captain.
  • Collingwood Team of the Century member.
  • Collingwood life member.
  • Copeland Trophy winner in 1957, 1958 and 1962.
  • Collingwood leading goalkicker in 1959, 1960 and 1962.
  • Collingwood captain from 1960-1963.
  • Collingwood coach from 1975-1976.
  • AFL Hall of Fame inductee in 2007
 

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Truly the end of an era now, Shaw and Maxwell the remaining premiership captains.
Look forward to our veteran posters describing The Weed as a player.
Interesting thought. It you are here and posting at 70 years old you would have been 3 when the Weed started and 13 when he finished. If you lived locally and could go to the footy at that age you may have seen him live. There was no TV at all when he started, no replays through his career. Live football on TV was decades away.

Any descriptions aren’t likely based on seeing him play.

P.S He was still a huge Collingwood name when I grew up
 

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Saw him in action at 1958 GF. My mother thought he was a "hunk"! My father took me to see him wrestle at Festival Hall! - hilarious!

Tough as any player in his day - wasn't known as The Enforcer for nothing. Talented also - good mark and kick.

Ran into him (metaphorically) after our 2010 flag was unfurled - rd 3? 2011.

Told him a couple of stories about my mother meeting his mother at the footy - he was a complete gentleman then and thanked me for telling him a story about his "dear old mother". A true Collingwood character.
 

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I only moved to Melbourne in late 80. In 81 Mark Weideman played and looked to be very promising.. My Pa and Dad both revered the Weed so i put Mark's number (i think 31 but memory is hazy) on my duffle coat. Unfortunately injuries were cruel to Mark... I still used to hear stories of the Weed for years after... Must have been a bloke who lead and inspired others... Daicos soon took over as my next idol and was never eclipsed..
RIP Weed
 
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I only moved to Melbourne in late 80. In 81 Mark Weideman played and looked to be very promising.. My Pa and Dad both revered the Weed so i put Mark's number (i think 31 but memory is hazy) on my duffle coat. Unfortunately injuries were cruel to Mark... I still used to hear stories of the Weed for years after... Must have been a bloke who lead and inspired others... Daicos soon took over as my next idol and was never eclipsed..
RIP Weed
In '58 I was 4yo so his career was over by the time I was old enough to go to the football with dad and his mates but all agreed he was a true Collingwood hard man and woe betide any oppo player that thought he could get away with coming the heavy with our smalls. The weed never missed and always delivered a world of hurt to offenders.
 

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A fantastic career.
  • Collingwood player from 1953-1963 (180 games, 262 goals).
  • Premiership player in 1953 and 1958.
  • 1958 premiership captain.
  • Collingwood Team of the Century member.
  • Collingwood life member.
  • Copeland Trophy winner in 1957, 1958 and 1962.
  • Collingwood leading goalkicker in 1959, 1960 and 1962.
  • Collingwood captain from 1960-1963.
  • Collingwood coach from 1975-1976.
  • AFL Hall of Fame inductee in 2007
I grew up watching Murray play at Vicky Park. He was my hero, my Mum and Dad thought he was great. Remember the unfurling of the 1958 flag. Very nice man
 

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At one stage he had a milk bar in Lwr Heidelberg Rd Alphington - someone put a bullet hole in the front window.

Before the 58 GF there was a picture in The Herald? of "The Weed" and his then girlfriend - Marlene Andrewatha?? paddling a rowboat on the Yarra - the caption was ,"Drifting and Dreaming"!! :)
 

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Murray Weideman was indicative of the players of his era. Back then they'd have labelled him a "man's man" because he led by example, he protected others and he inspired people by his character. They labelled him "the enforcer" mainly because of his wrestling prowess but on the field he was just a tough, straight ahead player. Truth be known Bob Rose would have beat him up in a fist fight but Murray was much bigger than BR and so he bore the pressure of being that protective unit at CHF. A beautiful kick of a ball and a strong mark, his good looks did have lots of the female supporters swooning but the other thing that Murray Weideman was known for (and again indicative of the era) was that he was a gentleman. He had a great deal of time for supporters and the general public and was very generous to us kids at training. I will always remember Murray Weideman as the captain of our greatest ever GF team, the mighty 1958 legends. To watch him throwing his body at every contest that day was to witness a colossus, a gladiator...he literally took the game by the scruff of the neck and was never going to let an opponent beat him on the MCG that day. Some later labelled it ruthless and foolhardy to taunt and to physically intimidate the great Melbourne team that had seemed to own GF day for most of the fifties...but in the absence of Frank Tuck, young Weed took it upon himself to lead the charge that would eventually stop MFC from matching the four in a row that was our footy club's greatest accolade.
I'm an old man myself now but I still see Murray Weideman as that colossus. He gave his body and soul for our club and like most of the players of that era, he did it with a minimum of fuss. He never shirked an issue, he never complained.

Thankyou "Mr. Weideman" (that's what we kids called him at training nights) for all you gave our club.
 

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Thankyou "Mr. Weideman" (that's what we kids called him at training nights) for all you gave our club.
nice post - thanks
pretty sure the players called Jock McHale "Mr McHale" - should be more of it - might get us some flags :)
Loved Murray absolutely - didn't exactly star as a coach though - taking players to the pub and the races innovative but not what was needed!! - no probs though - part of the memory!

RIP Flags x 2...the Enforcer
 

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RIP Murray. Thanks for everything on and off-field. A real testament to him that despite retiring at 27 he's still so fondly remembered for his on-field efforts.

Without Murray, I'm not alive today. My dad was born in early July (2 weeks later than he was due) in 1959, and my pa was a lunatic Pies fan. Go figure... ;)
 

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RIP Murray Weideman

Without him the feats of 1958 would likely have not occurred. One of the club's all time greats who is sadly not spoken about enough.

He played in his first premiership at 17 and was captain of one at 22 whilst playing as the enforcer, they sure did things differently in those days as most 22 year old key forwards are still developing their craft at 22 these days.

Just from a statistical point of view, with the passing of Murray Weideman, we have a grand total of zero dual premiership Collingwood players still alive, which I find a real indictment on the club's inability to win grand finals over the last 60 years.
 

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RIP Murray Weideman

Without him the feats of 1958 would likely have not occurred. One of the club's all time greats who is sadly not spoken about enough.

He played in his first premiership at 17 and was captain of one at 22 whilst playing as the enforcer, they sure did things differently in those days as most 22 year old key forwards are still developing their craft at 22 these days.

Just from a statistical point of view, with the passing of Murray Weideman, we have a grand total of zero dual premiership Collingwood players still alive, which I find a real indictment on the club's inability to win grand finals over the last 60 years.
Thorold Merrett is still going at 87! Your point is a very fair one, whether we have 0 or 1 such players.
 

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Sad day.
Great man.
His sides flag was the "last flag" for most of my life as a supporter.
The rarest of the rare, Collingwood dual Premiership player and a Collingwood Premiership Captain now gone to live forever with his mates in
the memory of the faithful.


His family can be proud of his life and achievements.
 

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