Vale Peter Roebuck

[CAS79]

Is it venom if it's true?

You and I dont know it's true or not. Andrew Landeryou doesn't know if it's true. He hasn't checked his sources, he probably got alerted to the history on the early post on this thread and spun a story.

Dead men don't sue and it's n the interests of the ABC and fairfax not to expend his readership by making Landeryou the story by retorting the article.

 

[Rabbit of Caerbannog]

Calling for Ponting's head was what we all thought but everyone was too gutless to say it... And that call stands true today as it was in 08 was it when he made it.

Everyone thought Ponting should be sacked, did they? The captain that had just led Australia to an undefeated World Cup victory and a record 16 test victories in a row? Somehow I don't think so.

 

[galindez]

A bit like people who claim to be helping underprivilged when actually they are getting their jollies.

If the cap fits Peter ... wear it.

He's dead mate. He can't wear hats or respond to unsubstantiated rumour mongering

 

[King Elvis]

He's dead mate. He can't wear hats or respond to unsubstantiated rumour mongering

He was convicted of that stuff, that, at least, isn't rumour mongering.

Timeisrunningout - until then, I was a fan of Roebuck, after it, couldn't stand him,

 

[beez]

Jesus Christ.... Words cannot describe how bad that article is.

+1 Can't believe I bothered to read all that.

 

[Phone]

a quick look the url said it all

 

[CAS79]

He was convicted of that stuff, that, at least, isn't rumour mongering.

Timeisrunningout - until then, I was a fan of Roebuck, after it, couldn't stand him,

What was he convicted of Elvis.

No sexual offences are on his rap sheet. To imply otherwise is rumour mongering.

 

[King Elvis]

Charged with indecent assault, pleaded out to a lesser charge.

I don't want to get into the slanging match, at this point, it's sad to see him go.

Just not comfortable with him being sainted either.

 

[CAS79]

Charged with indecent assault, pleaded out to a lesser charge.

I don't want to get into the slanging match, at this point, it's sad to see him go.

Just not comfortable with him being sainted either.

I understand your reservation. But the vex news article is implying a lot of things it does not know and has used in a vindictive fight with two news organisations who caused the vex news owner much reputation harm a few years ago, not for the sake of providing anyone with any fact. Plenty of people have been charged with offences they did not commit and no one had the nerve to call the man a sexual predator while he lived. It's a cowards article to do so when he dies.

 

[dumb]

says he was found in his hotel room, then says somewhere else he jumped off the 6th story.

police could have been checking on his welfare for all we know.

 

[kane249]

Personally I dont care about the circumstances

When your time is up, its up

There is no concept of "he/ she could have lived longer if they..."

Well if he didn't jump he would have lived longer...

 

[RisingPhoenix]

I have a question for all the eulogisers and hagiographers on here....

If, and all I am saying is if, over the next few days it turns out that the innuendo's surrounding Roebuck turn out to have substance, will you have second thoughts about 'the need for respect'?

Will you feel guilt at the use of expressions like 'RIP' and 'Vale'?

With the facts still to be established, coming out and blatantly attacking the man is unquestionably inappropriate at this point, but so I would argue, is a large swathe of the reverential puff we are seeing as well.

Those who later on may be given reason to regret doing so, would be well advised to say little about the man at this stage IMO.

That includes Gideon Haigh, James Sutherland and the rest.

 

[Phone]

Whatever comes out won't change my opinion that he was one the finest cricket writers out there and I deeply enjoyed every article of his, be it analysis on an Aus match or discussing the state of Sri Lankan cricket, so yeah I'll still be sad about his death. His personal life is his personal life. if bad shit comes out it might impact my opinion on his personal life, but not his professional life.

 

[thejester]

I have a question for all the eulogisers and hagiographers on here....

If, and all I am saying is if, over the next few days it turns out that the innuendo's surrounding Roebuck turn out to have substance, will you have second thoughts about 'the need for respect'?

Will you feel guilt at the use of expressions like 'RIP' and 'Vale'?

With the facts still to be established, coming out and blatantly attacking the man is unquestionably inappropriate at this point, but so I would argue, is a large swathe of the reverential puff we are seeing as well.

Those who later on may be given reason to regret doing so, would be well advised to say little about the man at this stage IMO.

That includes Gideon Haigh, James Sutherland and the rest.

Seriously mate, it's hilarious how you said at the start of this thread 'the dead deserve the truth' and have since consistently smeared him with what you yourself label as innuendos. Do you trawl through the detailed personal history of everyone you know when they die to make sure there's no skeletons in the closet before you give your judgement of their character?

 

[Doss]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ck-death-inquest/story-e6frf7l6-1226194077227

Throws a little new light on it.

Very sad set of circumstances all round.

 

[ManWithNoName]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...ck-death-inquest/story-e6frf7l6-1226194077227

Throws a little new light on it.

Very sad set of circumstances all round.

"It is understood"

"The Herald Sun has learnt"

"A source"

Typical Herald Sun bullshit with the headline. The one actual quote from the police basically says "we're not saying anything, go away" and the HSun turn that into ROEBUCK IN SEX CASE PROBE.

Pricks.

 

[mattymac]

so he jumped while police were in the room... jesus

 

[kane249]

"It is understood"

"The Herald Sun has learnt"

"A source"

Typical Herald Sun bullshit with the headline. The one actual quote from the police basically says "we're not saying anything, go away" and the HSun turn that into ROEBUCK IN SEX CASE PROBE.

Pricks.

It's being reported elsewhere as well

http://cricketnext.in.com/news/roebuck-jumped-to-his-death-from-hotel-window/61513-13.html

If the events are true and he was asking for a lawyer then something was definitely up

 

[Ian Dargie]

It's a grim turn of events, regardless of the circumstances.

So without wanting to be boorishly insensitive, I have to say that some of the praise for Roebuck's writing is wildly and bafflingly overcooked. I couldn't stand his writing - it was florid and try-hard, full of weak descriptions and turgid, tangential similes that bordered on self-parody.

It was chewy, self-indulgent nonsense, exemplifying all the worst aspects of pompous, self-conscious British sports journalism. The fact everyone bars up about it demonstrates two things: first, people don't know good writing from pretentious fluff; and second, cricket writing in general is a bit shit. For Roebuck to be eulogised as 'the bard of summer' makes me want to spew. It's an indictment on the rest of the hacks.

Give me Mike Atherton or Gideon Haigh any day. Both write with far greater skill, economy and insight than Roebuck managed. He also had a nasty habit of making one argument one week and then completely reversing his position the next week, without making any reference to his backflip. That shit frustrates people who pay attention.

I don't want to go over the top or get into Roebuck's personal life. But I absolutely detested his writing and his style of opinion-making and I thought Fairfax's decision to commission him reflected poorly on the organisation and on the quality of Australian sports journalism. Maybe that's mean-spirited but the fawning adulation for his work doesn't sit well with me. In my humble opinion, his writing was very, very ordinary.

 

[Doodlesweaver]

It's a grim turn of events, regardless of the circumstances.

So without wanting to be boorishly insensitive, I have to say that some of the praise for Roebuck's writing is wildly and bafflingly overcooked. I couldn't stand his writing - it was florid and try-hard, full of weak descriptions and turgid, tangential similes that bordered on self-parody.

It was chewy, self-indulgent nonsense, exemplifying all the worst aspects of pompous, self-conscious British sports journalism. The fact everyone bars up about it demonstrates two things: first, people don't know good writing from pretentious fluff; and second, cricket writing in general is a bit shit. For Roebuck to be eulogised as 'the bard of summer' makes me want to spew. It's an indictment on the rest of the hacks.

Give me Mike Atherton or Gideon Haigh any day. Both write with far greater skill, economy and insight than Roebuck managed. He also had a nasty habit of making one argument one week and then completely reversing his position the next week, without making any reference to his backflip. That shit frustrates people who pay attention.

I don't want to go over the top or get into Roebuck's personal life. But I absolutely detested his writing and his style of opinion-making and I thought Fairfax's decision to commission him reflected poorly on the organisation and on the quality of Australian sports journalism. Maybe that's mean-spirited but the fawning adulation for his work doesn't sit well with me. In my humble opinion, his writing was very, very ordinary.

All of the above is exactly why I stopped reading him some time ago. Not saying I don't feel sorry for what he must have been going through to take his own life. That's a dark place.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

It's a grim turn of events, regardless of the circumstances.

So without wanting to be boorishly insensitive, I have to say that some of the praise for Roebuck's writing is wildly and bafflingly overcooked. I couldn't stand his writing - it was florid and try-hard, full of weak descriptions and turgid, tangential similes that bordered on self-parody.

It was chewy, self-indulgent nonsense, exemplifying all the worst aspects of pompous, self-conscious British sports journalism.

Totally agree. I couldn't handle him at all, and the reason why I haven't listened to ABC cricket for the past 4 years. It is annoying listening to claims of what a gifted writer he was. Give me a break.

As you say, give me Gideon Haigh any day of the week for an enjoyable read on cricket isssues. At least he has a balanced point of view.

 

[BarneyBent]

I have a question for all the eulogisers and hagiographers on here....

If, and all I am saying is if, over the next few days it turns out that the innuendo's surrounding Roebuck turn out to have substance, will you have second thoughts about 'the need for respect'?

Will you feel guilt at the use of expressions like 'RIP' and 'Vale'?

With the facts still to be established, coming out and blatantly attacking the man is unquestionably inappropriate at this point, but so I would argue, is a large swathe of the reverential puff we are seeing as well.

Those who later on may be given reason to regret doing so, would be well advised to say little about the man at this stage IMO.

That includes Gideon Haigh, James Sutherland and the rest.

Bullshit. This is a thread called "Vale Peter Roebuck". A "large swathe of reverential puff" is totally appropriate.

If you want to start a thread titled "Peter Roebuck implicated in sexual assaults of young South African cricketers", then go ahead. You can ponder all you like about his activities. Hell, I'll probably join in. It certainly doesn't look good for him. But in a thread designed to pay respects to a prominent sports journalist who lost his life, either pay your respects, or get out.

 

[Bosk]

Quite frankly Roebuck was a second-rate hack who made a living indulging in his favorite pastime - writing inflammatory bullshit about the Aussie Cricket Team, who he was always insanely jealous of from the very beginning.

The fact that he may have been a better writer than the other third-rate Cricket journos out there doesn't really say a lot for the bloke as far as I'm concerned.



Freshly revealed circumstances of his death also sound extremely fishy.

 

[Tassieboy]

The story gets sadder

 

[beez]

Some really nice articles around the traps today, it is a pleasure being able to read them and indulge in a man that was a fantastic asset for cricket journalism all around the world.