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I'm hoping we either get a first rounder or don't trade. Either of those is a win for us IMO as the pick would be very handy and just by having put up on the trade table he may get the kick up the backside he needs to start delivering on his talent again. Bit unfortunate that the MC didn't treat him this way through the year though.
 
bulletproof said:
I am not sure where the theory comes from Varcoe was flying before the injury. He played two promising games and then got injured. Hardly flying. Unless we hear a strong club statement on this today, I think we should start to get worried he is going.
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There's always some re-writing of history at this time of year, and at all times of the year when it comes to Varcoe.

Varcoe2Motlop said:
If we are seriously looking at the 2014/15 premiership why would we get rid of Varcoe for a nothing pick?
Hopefully this is the kick in the backside he needs and he performs like 2011 again, i'll be annoyed if all we get is a 2nd round pick after 8 years of his service.
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8 years of service is more than stretching it.
I know what he can bring to the side when he's on song.
But I reckon he's probably played more truly bad games than any Geelong 100-game player.
In my view he's the sort of player whose inconsistency can only be tolerated in an extremely good side, and who would be one of the first players regularly dropped in a mediocre or poor side.
If we are re-building - or, at least, seriously transitioning - we need more consistent middle-age and senior players in order to cover for the inevitable inconsistency from the younger players.
A trade-off makes sense in many areas.
But that doesn't mean a fire sale; we should make sure we get something commensurate with his reputation (even if that is overblown).
 
bulletproof said:
I am not sure where the theory comes from Varcoe was flying before the injury. He played two promising games and then got injured. Hardly flying. Unless we hear a strong club statement on this today, I think we should start to get worried he is going.
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He was flying.

Some supporters (not saying you, but in general) link 'flying' with having 25+ possies etc.

Varcoe is a different kettle of fish. Varcoe flying is when he has 5 or 6 score involvements, key chase downs, and has direct result in influencing the game with his run and carry from the back half and through the middle. Geelong doesn't have a player (maybe besides motlop) that runs with and links up with the ball the entire way up the ground like Travis.

We need players like this, especially considering his age bracket.

This is what varcoe did in the 2011 GF and is synonomous with his entire 2010 and 2011 seasons. It is what he was doing in the first 2 rounds after missing 2012. This outweighs his bad form post injury this year.
 
As long as the price is right I think we have to take serious offers under consideration.

Sadly I think the best things about Varcoe's game (perceived pressure, gut running) doesn't necessarily correlate to high possessions and the requisite tackle count.

Ideally his chasing of opponents out of the centre/forward line should create turnovers which result in goals for us, a stat that doesn't exist nor gets recorded.

Hopefully if he stays a good preseason is all he needs to get over the carnage that was his last two years of footy.
 

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Nicko29 said:
I'm hoping we either get a first rounder or don't trade. Either of those is a win for us IMO as the pick would be very handy and just by having put up on the trade table he may get the kick up the backside he needs to start delivering on his talent again. Bit unfortunate that the MC didn't treat him this way through the year though.
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Exactly, maybe they are sending him a message to get his act together.
 
After i read this I had to double check the date, thought it might've been december 25th.
Lets do a combo deal and arseh*le stringer while we are at it
 
When was the last time we threw up someone of value as a possible trade?
SJ?

Some serious list adjustment going on by Wells here.
 
strauchnyy said:
That being said, I dont know much about his off-feild behavour.. and if it is as bad as someone said above and the club is open to a trade, I would not settle for anything less than a top 15 pick.

I see varcoe's value at his 2011 (and 2010) form. NOT his last 8 or so games since returning from a serious shoulder injury and cleary playing without confidence.

I just can't believe all the rubbish I have read about Varcoe on these boards this year, many of you have the memories of a goldfish.
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Agree that all fans have short memories. But his best footy has been a fair while ago now.

Unfortunately he had 11 games after returning from the shoulder injury. Shuttled back into the seniors after a far less than awesome display in the VFL, then kept in the side every week despite rarely hitting any kind of form whatsoever. Was retained after the Adelaide loss when he had 4 possessions. When it mattered most in the Prelim, he had 9 touches and 1 tackle. That's just not good enough. Not to mention the sitter he missed with 30 seconds to go.

He's had more than enough chances. He's only averaged better than 15 touches a game twice in his entire career (2010 and 2011). He's been gifted more games on potential than any player I can ever remember in Geelong colours. There might be much more to this than we know. What we do know is that there is no guarantee he's going to regain his best form, and if he wants out we're better off getting a pick for him. The club comes first.
 
I don't reckon the players we would consider trading are that highly valued outside of our club and that is the issue here. Especially if we are having a bit of clean out and want to get ND picks where we can get some decent players via Wells astuteness.

Who would we trade ?

Varcoe ? THunt ? Stringer ? West ? They would be the main one I reckon. None are essential or stars in the making. At best good ordinary players that every side has in their mix.

And what would we get in return ? Maybe pick 20 and upwards for all of them.

Something like picks 20, 28, 36, 40 ? Is that good enough for us to make a deal ? If another club were to make an offer ?

Probably made a few mistakes a few years back in not playing more youngsters when Thompson was coach and then again in maybe not moving a player or two on in the last two tears and having an extra draft pick.

Having said that it is a really hard task and very easy to say but much harder to do. But it does go to show that errors in the past can come back to bite you quite a few years down the track AND who would have thought that Menzel, HMac, Simpson, Cowan, Vardy, Brown, Kersten and McCarthy would be so sidelined by injury that we could not develop their talents in a timely fashion. We had to keep them on our lists because they all had shown something so they needed to be retained. Had they not been so injured we would have either more senior games into them now or have delisted/traded them off the list.

I don't follow other clubs so I am unaware of their situation in relation to ours. But for me this has been the biggest single killer of us getting another Premiership or having another good crack in 2014. Just too many injuries over the past 3 years and this combined with so many of our great players getting old has caused us the issues we face now.
 
kicksome said:
After i read this I had to double check the date, thought it might've been december 25th.
Lets do a combo deal and arseh*le stringer while we are at it
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id rather it be december 25th and xmas has come eardley and we send varcoe packing then april 1st and trying to offload varcoe is a joke.
 
Partridge said:
Agree that all fans have short memories. But his best footy has been a fair while ago now.

Unfortunately he had 11 games after returning from the shoulder injury. Shuttled back into the seniors after a far less than awesome display in the VFL, then kept in the side every week despite rarely hitting any kind of form whatsoever. Was retained after the Adelaide loss when he had 4 possessions. When it mattered most in the Prelim, he had 9 touches and 1 tackle. That's just not good enough. Not to mention the sitter he missed with 30 seconds to go.

He's had more than enough chances. He's only averaged better than 15 touches a game twice in his entire career (2010 and 2011). He's been gifted more games on potential than any player I can ever remember in Geelong colours. There might be much more to this than we know. What we do know is that there is no guarantee he's going to regain his best form, and if he wants out we're better off getting a pick for him. The club comes first.
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Agree with some of what you have said, however I think the bolded part above is more a reflection on the MC's mismanagement of him.

I agree Varcoe's form did not warrent selection and mainly due to a lack in confidence. Perhaps the MC should have made Travis play in the two's to get confidence, because his ability is there. I think playing Varcoe again and again while lacking self-confidence fuelled further self doubt.

I don't think you can play players into form in the 1s that are like Varcoe. IMO a good preseason is all that is required for Trav to move on from 2013 and begin 2014 as he started this year before injury.

Unlike many with short memories on here (not saying you), I think it is more likley than not, that he will regain form as he was up and about thus year in the early rounds and playing like he had not missed a beat since 2011.

Varcoe is a player too valuable to let go for an average pick (or a pick after the top 15) and would much rather hang on to him then let him go and watch him carv it up elsewhere.
 

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thecatattack said:
I'm gonna be ******* pissed if we trade him.
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Same. I have no idea why the club would trade a player that they have invested so much time into. At 25 he is entering his prime. To switch him for an untested first rounder (at best) would be bizarre.
 
kanyewest said:
Same. I have no idea why the club would ytrade a player that they have invested so much time into. At 25 he is entering his prime. To switch him for an untested first rounder (at best) would be bizarre.
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It certainly is a strange one. As others have said he's had a rough time away from football so maybe a change will suit him. I personally think they've done it as a wake up call knowing no decent offers will appear. Remind him of his footballing mortality so to speak.
 
kanyewest said:
Same. I have no idea why the club would trade a player that they have invested so much time into. At 25 he is entering his prime. To switch him for an untested first rounder (at best) would be bizarre.
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Who said we are trading him for a first rounder?
There is speculation that we are interested in Adams, Shaw & some are hopeful of Scooter Selwood also - maybe the reason the club has put Varcoe's name on the trade table is to suggest to other clubs we are willing to use players in trade negotiations this year, not just trading draft picks for players.
If we are to believe that West, T. Hunt & possibly Brown are also available for trade, then the club may be trying to present themselves as more open to trade options and the possibility of landing a player of value which most likely won't happen if the only thing we have to offer is our 1st rnd pick.
 
son of meto said:
Am I just dreaming sweet dreams or did I really hear that Varcoe was a possible trade? What's the word on him?
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Just a little kick up the arse to get him focused on next year, put in a huge pre-season and prove the doubters wrong.

Be nice to shut a few of his detractors up around here, wouldn't you agree?
 
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