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I have a permanent reminder of the Suns first ever victory against Port Adelaide, April 23rd 2011. It was a 5 day long weekend because Easter was late and ran up until ANZAC Day. The missus and I headed out to a Bed'n'brekkie in the bush with a bottle of honey bourbon. Without going into specifics of what happened after watching the game, my daughter was born exactly 9 months later!

I’m remember it well as I had got an 8 leg multi up and the suns leg was pay $17....... winninggggggggggggg


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Ho hum. You keep contradicting yourself, but this is tiresome. La La La. When did Federer's "prime window" close exactly?
I would have thought that was obvious. Federer started slowing down over the 2009-10 period as Nadal began to hit his straps and dominate when his prime window opened. Between 2011-2016 Federer only won a single slam as Nadal and Djokovic took full advantage of their prime windows and won 16 slams between them over that 6 year period. Roger has managed to experience a renaissance over the last 24 months (likely has a lot to do with Nadal and Djokovic's prime windows closing) which is impressive but Federer certainly isn't the dominant player he once was.

Didn't Hewitt's close when he was 21?
Why don't you understand winning slams doesn't necessarily mean you possess your peak abilities as a tennis player? Just because a championship/premiership window is open, doesn't mean you/your team will win. Hewitt made a slam final and two slam semifinals in 2005 so I certainly wouldn't say his window closed in 2003 like you've suggested. He ran into GOAT Federer in two of those semifinals and was outplayed by a hot Marat Safin in the Aussie Open final. To say his window was closed at that point in time is just wrong.

3 best players ever? WTF are you talking about? In your lifetime maybe.
Like I said before, tennis players are judged on the amount of slams they won over their career.

1. Federer - 20
2. Nadal - 17
3. Djokovic & Sampras - 14
5. Emerson - 12
6. Borg and Laver - 11

Federer is not the GOAT as Nadal and Djokovic are likely to eclipse his 20 Slams. Google Bjorn Borg some time and learn why he was the GOAT.
So Federer is not the GOAT because Nadal AND Djokovic will likely overtake him in slams won... but you also think Bjorn Borg is the GOAT? That doesn't make sense. There are many reasons Bjorn Borg isn't the GOAT but a lack of slam titles is the most obvious. I don't care if he retired early. If retiring early meant you were guaranteed achievements had you played on then John Coleman would have kicked 2000 goals.
 
I would have thought that was obvious. Federer started slowing down over the 2009-10 period as Nadal began to hit his straps and dominate when his prime window opened. Between 2011-2016 Federer only won a single slam as Nadal and Djokovic took full advantage of their prime windows and won 16 slams between them over that 6 year period. Roger has managed to experience a renaissance over the last 24 months (likely has a lot to do with Nadal and Djokovic's prime windows closing) which is impressive but Federer certainly isn't the dominant player he once was.


Why don't you understand winning slams doesn't necessarily mean you possess your peak abilities as a tennis player? Just because a championship/premiership window is open, doesn't mean you/your team will win. Hewitt made a slam final and two slam semifinals in 2005 so I certainly wouldn't say his window closed in 2003 like you've suggested. He ran into GOAT Federer in two of those semifinals and was outplayed by a hot Marat Safin in the Aussie Open final. To say his window was closed at that point in time is just wrong.


Like I said before, tennis players are judged on the amount of slams they won over their career.

1. Federer - 20
2. Nadal - 17
3. Djokovic & Sampras - 14
5. Emerson - 12
6. Borg and Laver - 11


So Federer is not the GOAT because Nadal AND Djokovic will likely overtake him in slams won... but you also think Bjorn Borg is the GOAT? That doesn't make sense. There are many reasons Bjorn Borg isn't the GOAT but a lack of slam titles is the most obvious. I don't care if he retired early. If retiring early meant you were guaranteed achievements had you played on then John Coleman would have kicked 2000 goals.
Borg and Laver didn't win 11 Slams each because that's all they could muster. Borg didn't even bother coming to Australia and still equalled Laver, and only played in 27 Grand Slam tournaments with an 89.81% winning record 141-16. He was only beaten at Wimbledon 4 times, mostly when he was a teenager. His contemporaries were McEnroe,
Connors and Lendl - look em up! In an attempt to stifle Borg, Tour organisers introduced a minimum number of tournaments that players had to enter to qualify for Slams, which Borg defied and was therefore forced out of tennis.
Rod Laver won 11 Slams despite being banned for 5 years during his prime. In 1962, he won every frigging Slam to claim the Grand Slam = GOAT. During his ban for becoming a professional players, Laver won everything worth winning and was still the best in the world, beating Ken Rosewall and Lew Hoad = also legends. When the Open Era of professional tennis began, Rod Laver came back and won the Grand Slam AGAIN!!!! Nobody else has ever done that and Rocket could have done it 3 or 4 times the way he played during his exile.
It isn't even an argument, mate. Laver and Borg were screwed by the morons running the game, but the way they dominated their eras leaves Federer behind in their dust.
 

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Borg and Laver didn't win 11 Slams each because that's all they could muster. Borg didn't even bother coming to Australia and still equalled Laver, and only played in 27 Grand Slam tournaments with an 89.81% winning record 141-16. He was only beaten at Wimbledon 4 times, mostly when he was a teenager. His contemporaries were McEnroe, Connors and Lendl - look em up! In an attempt to stifle Borg, Tour organisers introduced a minimum number of tournaments that players had to enter to qualify for Slams, which Borg defied and was therefore forced out of tennis.
This is where it becomes difficult to compare eras, particularly when you talk about result prior to the Open Era but I'm going to attempt while still giving full context. You're right - Borg didn't bother coming to Australia and that was common back then for players to skip the Australian Open but he also never captured a US Open title so that must go against him in terms of his legacy. 'Only losing 4 times at Wimbledon' sounds impressive until someone explains he only played there 9 times in his career. 5 Wimbledon titles is impressive but Federer has 8 Wimbledon titles.

You've brought up percentages which are always going to favour Borg because he retired in his prime at the age of 26 and never experienced the natural decline most athletes go through. For the record, Federer was days away from claiming his 12th Grand Slam when he celebrated his 26th birthday in 2007, so he had Borg covered at the same age.

Would Borg have won more slams if he continued to play? Probably. Would he have won 20 slams total if he continued to play? I doubt it. The likes of Edberg, Lendl and Wilander were about to come through and make life very difficult for the older guys like Connors, McEnroe and Borg. Mac and Connors had another two years or so of winning slams after Borg retired and then they gave way to the next generation. It's extremely likely Borg's window would have closed as well as the new generation began to dominate.

Rod Laver won 11 Slams despite being banned for 5 years during his prime. In 1962, he won every frigging Slam to claim the Grand Slam = GOAT. During his ban for becoming a professional players, Laver won everything worth winning and was still the best in the world, beating Ken Rosewall and Lew Hoad = also legends. When the Open Era of professional tennis began, Rod Laver came back and won the Grand Slam AGAIN!!!! Nobody else has ever done that and Rocket could have done it 3 or 4 times the way he played during his exile.
This is where the pre-Open Era arguments start coming in and it can be difficult to fully understand what was going on. Laver was not "banned" from competing in Grand Slams or Davis Cup, he turned professional knowing full well the slams and Davis Cup were only open to 'amateur' tennis players at the time. It was Rod's decision and he knew exactly what he was doing when he turned professional in 1963 to make money because amateur players were not paid back then. Having said that, Rod even admits himself that he wasn't playing against the best players in the world when he won his first 6 grand slams in the amateur era because many of the best players had already turned professional. This was evident in 1963 when Laver competed in the professional equivalent of grand slams (professional majors) and lost two finals to Ken Rosewall while also getting knocked out in the second round of the '63 Wembley Pro. So Laver went from winning every major as an amateur in 1962 to winning no majors as a professional in 1963.

He got going in 1964 and began winning professional majors but this split of amateurs and professionals remained and you never really knew where the best players was playing at any given time. Amateurs like Emerson, Newcombe and Ashe began winning amateur slams while Laver racked up majors on the professional circuit. It ended in 1968 and the '68 French Open was the first slam that allowed professionals to compete. Ken Rosewall walked away victorious in that final against Laver in that historic tournament. From there, Laver claimed his first Open Era Wimbledon title months later but was knocked out of the US Open in the early stages later that year. His single biggest achievement came the following year when he won a legitimate Grand Slam in 1969. Unfortunately, that was it for Laver. He never won another slam.

It isn't even an argument, mate. Laver and Borg were screwed by the morons running the game, but the way they dominated their eras leaves Federer behind in their dust.
As you can see above, comparing eras in problematic but I still believe Federer is the GOAT.
 
Not sure if it’s just me but every time I put the radio on or tv or open social media it’s always Gold Coast should do this port Adelaide should do this freo should do this Brisbane should do this but never anything about vic teams! Yesterday I heard on the radio bombers are flag favourites now they have Shiel


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Not sure if it’s just me but every time I put the radio on or tv or open social media it’s always Gold Coast should do this port Adelaide should do this freo should do this Brisbane should do this but never anything about vic teams! Yesterday I heard on the radio bombers are flag favourites now they have Shiel


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Lions have come out strongly today saying the whole Beams situation is BS.
If that's the case then that gutless clown Gil needs to punish the journo responsible.
 
Lions have come out strongly today saying the whole Beams situation is BS.
If that's the case then that gutless clown Gil needs to punish the journo responsible.
Beams should sue Barrett for defamation.
Said he’s got personal issues.

Ps. Have no idea about law but just dislike Barrett immensely.
 
The rule regarding runners is interesting. There might be 15 minutes between goals and the runner might have 6 messages to deliver in 30 seconds!
i reckon they're going to have to rely more on certain players to be able to deliver the messages to other players. i think it's about 30 seconds between a goal and the bounce of the ball, so yeah they definitely could be a bit rushed for time in getting messages out. i like it though.
 

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I agree the runners one is the most interesting and probably influential.

Will be a lot of messages passed from the bench.

Favours having onfield coach type players. Not ideal for us with a young group.

Dew might coach more from the bench.
 
So how are these rules combating congestion???? As soon the ball is bounced they all sprint into the zone.

The kick out rule is rubbish. How is the umpire going to distinguish between playing on and a kick out where the players foot is over the line??

The only rule that is good is the runner rule where they only come on after a goal.


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So how are these rules combating congestion???? As soon the ball is bounced they all sprint into the zone.

The kick out rule is rubbish. How is the umpire going to distinguish between playing on and a kick out where the players foot is over the line??

The only rule that is good is the runner rule where they only come on after a goal.


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the way i understand it, there is no foot on the line rule anymore. if they step outside the goalsquare when they kick in, they deem it as play on. haven't actually seen anywhere that says that's the case though, so not 100% sure. that's how i assume it might work.
 
the way i understand it, there is no foot on the line rule anymore. if they step outside the goalsquare when they kick in, they deem it as play on. haven't actually seen anywhere that says that's the case though, so not 100% sure. that's how i assume it might work.
I’m not entirely sure the relevance of the goal square at all.
Should we just demarcate a 9m arc to determine where you can rush a behind from?!
 
I’m not entirely sure the relevance of the goal square at all.
Should we just demarcate a 9m arc to determine where you can rush a behind from?!
I guess now it just determines whether a player has played on or not. they can still kick out from inside the square
 
I guess now it just determines whether a player has played on or not. they can still kick out from inside the square

Ok yes you’re right.
With the man on the mark further back I imagine most clubs will be running and bombing long to the wing just about.
 

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Trade radio redoing the 2014 draft, we took AhChee at pick 8 after trading picks to the Demons for future firsts (ah Clayton magic)

With that trade the Demons took Clayton Oliver. the re rankings from 10 to 1 didn't feature AhChee at all and Oliver was number 1. FFS
 
Trade radio redoing the 2014 draft, we took AhChee at pick 8 after trading picks to the Demons for future firsts (ah Clayton magic)

With that trade the Demons took Clayton Oliver. the re rankings from 10 to 1 didn't feature AhChee at all and Oliver was number 1. FFS
The 2013 super draft was good for us.
3 picks inside 27. KK, Lemmens and Leslie.
None would be in a top 30 if held again.
 
So how are these rules combating congestion???? As soon the ball is bounced they all sprint into the zone.

The kick out rule is rubbish. How is the umpire going to distinguish between playing on and a kick out where the players foot is over the line??

The only rule that is good is the runner rule where they only come on after a goal.


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The line isn't a factor anymore....i think...correct me if im wrong...players are going to take off, run and carry...i

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The line isn't a factor anymore....i think...correct me if im wrong...players are going to take off, run and carry...i

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Then why even have a goal square???


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