Veteran List Query

[mainman]

Just wondering if anybody out there can help me with this query

Can Parker and Mcmanus be placed on the veteran list this year and therefore be excluded from list of 38?

This could help with the delistings at end of year and also the salary cap

I Believe Parker was on the veterans list this year but still included on list of 38-Cheers if anybody can help

 

[pav_is_god]

Just wondering if anybody out there can help me with this query

Can Parker and Mcmanus be placed on the veteran list this year and therefore be excluded from list of 38?

This could help with the delistings at end of year and also the salary cap

I Believe Parker was on the veterans list this year but still included on list of 38-Cheers if anybody can help

Parker was on the vetrans list this year and it is my understanding that if you are on the list, you are not included in the list of 38.

 

[masai]

Parker was on the vetrans list this year and it is my understanding that if you are on the list, you are not included in the list of 38.

God help us if Parker was not on our list this year ........

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Can Parker and Mcmanus be placed on the veteran list this year and therefore be excluded from list of 38?

You are allowed two veterans who aren't included on your primary list.

If you have two veterans on the veterans list you will only be entitled to have four rookies (Different for Sydney and Brisbane who get a lot more space for rookies).

McManus is eligible next year as he'll be 30 and has been at Fremantle for 10 years, so you can move him and Parker across, free up two spots on the main list and have 50% of their salary excluded from the salary cap.

I Believe Parker was on the veterans list this year but still included on list of 38

That's correct.

I've never understood why clubs don't put veterans onto the veterans list.

Only reason i can think of is that they either don't think there is anyone through the draft who is worthy of a spot on the senior list (given you have to have 38 on the list, no matter what), or they want to have an extra rookie which wouldn't be the case with Fremantle given you didn't have your full allotment this year.

 

[blockerhall]

From AFLPA CBA 2003-2008 (Sorry the formatting is stuffed). In short 14.4 covers it- you can have as many veterans as qualify, and a maximum of 2 in the veterans list.

13. VETERANS LIST

13.1 (a) An AFL Club may nominate for each AFL Season up to two eligible Players
to be transferred from its Primary List to the Veterans List and/or any
number of eligible Players to be classified as a veteran on its Primary List,
provided the transfer or classification occurs no later than two weeks after
the Pre-Season Draft prior to the relevant AFL Season.
(b) An AFL Club which classifies a Player on its Primary List as a veteran, may,
at a later stage, but no later than two weeks after the Pre-Season Draft prior
to the relevant AFL Season, transfer the Player to the AFL Club’s Veterans
List.
(c) A Player who is transferred to the AFL Club’s Veterans List can only be
transferred back to the Primary List of the AFL Club between the end of an
AFL Season and two weeks after the Pre-Season Draft prior to the next AFL
Season and provided that Player remains classified as a veteran on the
Primary List.
(d) A Player that is classified as a veteran on the Primary List must remain
classified as a Veteran until that Player leaves the Club or is transferred to
the Veterans List.

13.2 A Player is eligible for inclusion on an AFL Club’s Veterans List or to be classified
as a veteran, on the Primary List if:
(a) the Player has been at the AFL Club on the Primary List for at least ten (10)
years; and
(b) the Player is 30 years of age or older as at 30 September in the relevant AFL
Season,
provided that in the case of Fremantle and Port Adelaide, a Player will be eligible if
he:
• is 30 years of age or older as at 30 September in the relevant AFL Season;
and
• has been on the AFL Club’s Primary List since inception of the AFL Club
into the AFL Competition.
Once an AFL Club to which these exceptions apply has been in the AFL
Competition for 10 years, the exception will cease to apply to that AFL Club and
thereafter the provisions of sub-clauses 13.2(a) and (b) will apply.

13.3 For Total Player Payment purposes, a proportion (as set out in the following table)
of Football Payments to each Veteran shall be excluded from Total Player
Payments, such proportion to vary depending on the number of Veterans at each
Club:
Number of Veterans ercentage of Football Payments Excluded from TPP
1: 50
2: 50
3: 331/3
4: 25
5: 20
Any number greater than 5: 100 ÷number of Veterans

14. PLAYER LISTS
14.1 Each AFL Club shall maintain minimum and maximum numbers of Players on their
Lists. During the term, the maximum Primary List size shall be 38 and Veterans
List size shall be 2.

14.2 The minimum number of Players on the Club’s Primary List and Veterans List
combined shall be 38, save for 2004, where the minimum shall be 37.

14.3 The number of Players referred to in clause 14.1 and 14.2 shall be Players included
on the AFL Club’s Primary List and Veterans List and shall be in addition to the
allowable number of Rookies including eligible Rookies as defined in the Rules.
The maximum number of Rookies and Players on the Primary List shall be in
accordance with Schedule C.

14.4 There shall be a limit of two Players that may be placed on a Club’s Veterans List
with no limit on the number of Players that may be classified as veterans on the
AFL Club’s Primary List.

14.5 An AFL Club is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player as being eligible for senior
selection if it has 38 Players on its Primary List not including Veterans at the
conclusion of the Pre-Season Draft and it otherwise satisfies the requirements of this
clause 14.

14.6 An AFL Club which is eligible to nominate a Rookie Player pursuant to clause 14.5
may:
(a) where the AFL Club has nominated one Player on its Veterans List,
nominate one Player from its Rookie List as being available for selection by
that AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL Finals Series
Matches; and
(b) where the AFL Club has not nominated a Player on its Veterans List,
nominate up to two Players from its Rookie List as being available for
selection by the AFL Club for AFL Premiership Season Matches and AFL
Finals Series Matches.

14.7 The right of an AFL Club to nominate a Rookie Player under clause 14.6 is subject
to the AFL Club demonstrating to the satisfaction of the Investigations Manager that
it can accommodate within its Total Player Payments the Football Payments which
must be paid to the Rookie Player as prescribed by paragraph 4 of Schedule B.

14.8 One half of the Football Payments in respect of a Rookie Player nominated under
this clause 14 shall be excluded from the relevant AFL Club’s Total Player
Payments.

14.9 No Player shall be delisted from the List of an AFL Club from the period
immediately following the Pre-Season Draft until the day immediately after the next
trading period without the consent of the AFL General Manager – Football
Operations.

14.10 Each AFL Club agrees to follow the procedure relating to delisting of a Player as
follows:
(a) the Player after being given reasonable notice of the time, date and place of
the meeting, will meet with the senior coach, football manager or other
person nominated by the Club who will inform the Player, on an individual
basis, that the Club has decided to delist the Player and the reasons the Club
has for delisting the Player;
(b) unless otherwise agreed, details of the discussions taken place under subparagraph (a) will be kept confidential;
(c) should the Player fail to meet an appointment reasonably made by the Club
for the purposes set out in sub-paragraph (a), the Club may inform the Player
of that Player’s delisting in such other manner determined by the Club;
(d) after the Club has advised the Player of his delisting, the Club will arrange
for the Player to meet with the Club’s Player Development Manager or
similar personnel as soon as practicable;
(e) the Player Development Manager will provide the Player with information
regarding the career transition process that the Club has in place;
(f) AFLPA shall provide each Club with an information booklet which outlines
the career transition services available to Players through the AFLPA and
the Club shall pass this information onto the Player;
(g) the Player Development Manager will, with the Player’s consent,
immediately contact the nominated AFLPA Representative and inform that
person of the details of the Player’s delisting;
(h) AFLPA shall encourage all delisted Players to commit to a career transition
consultation with a qualified careers consultant;
(i) each Club shall arrange at its cost for a termination medical to be conducted
on the Player and the Club shall provide the Player with details of the
Player’s hospital and medical insurance including the name of the insurer,
the level of cover and the expiry date of the policy. The Player shall be
obliged to attend the medical examination at a time and place and with a
doctor to be mutually agreed to between the Player and the Club and in any
event as soon as practicable after the de-listing of the Player. A copy of the
medical report shall be forwarded to the Player and the Club shall not release
the medical report to any other person unless the Player agrees in writing or
unless the Club is otherwise required to disclose the medical report to the
AFL as part of the AFL’s duty of disclosure to the AFL’s insurer.

 

[Streaker]

There are two types of Veterans, a Veteran on the main list and a Veteran off the main list.

A veteran on the main list still attracts the 50% salary cap incentive but takes the place of a player on the main list. This helps teams who are near their salary cap limit. eg Parker has a contract worth $200,000. $100,000 goes towards the salary cap and the salary cap total is reduced by not paying player X his $100,000 = A saving of $200,000

A veteran off of the main list still attracts the salary cap incentive but you have to pay for a player to be on the main list. eg Parker has a contract worth $200,000. $100,000 goes towards the salary cap, player X gets $100,000 = No saving but an extra player on your list.

With a Veteran on the main list you are able to have more rookies. You are also able to nominate a rookie who can be elevated at any time. This means you don't have to wait for a long term injury to happen in order to play the rookie, so you basically have another player at your disposal without having to pay the $$$ you would if he was on the main list. Rookies only cost around $50,000 a year and their match payments aren't as high.

 

[mainman]

I guess the big money savings will happen when Belly qualifys for the veteran list when he hits 30. I was more interested in getting a few extra players into the club above the list of 38

Lets hope we use this rule to our benefit next year and squeeze in some more good young West Aussie players. A couple of good young Sharks out there

 

[roowatch]

Sorry, but Belly won't qualify. There is also a clause about how many years a player spends at a particular Club and not just in the AFL.

 

[dominguez]

Thanks for the information blockerhall.