The Law VIC police get random strip search powers

[Damon_3388]

You are very very naive mate.

Looks like we are progressing as a society all the way back to 1939

You have got to be kidding me. Our police are just as bad as any state.

No F'ing way

How old are you? You have a lot to learn. Enjoy being blissfully naive until that time!!!

So SA police are hassling innocent people and dealing out the Rodney King treatment unprovoked on the regular are they? Wow, I must have never noticed or heard about it.

All I'm saying is that in my experience as a 21-year-old (living my own life and observing those around me), if you don't cause trouble, you don't attract police attention, no matter who you are. If the world somehow works differently for everyone else here in SA, please give me evidence of that. I just know that I don't cause trouble, and therefore don't ever attract police attention, and thus feel no need to hold such paranoia, bitterness or cynicism towards law enforcement. If that's somehow naive, then so be it.

 

[Wally Carter]

Seems like a lot of you are having a whinge about nothing. Wally, where's your tinfoil hat ffs? I go out quite frequently and drink a lot but I've never made enough of a dick of myself for police to take notice. I don't find it particularly difficult to play the respectable citizen but unfortunately, some people do.

Neither have I. That still doesn't mean that I have to agree with the erosion of the legal process.

Rapists working in a women's shelter?? Funniest s**t I ever read on this board.

Yeah, I know. Irregardless of the topic at hand, this will now come back as the simpletons get out of jail card for anyone that can't/won't debate me on the topic at hand.

Bigfooty idiotic debating tactic 101.

Huuuuuugggeeee tactical blunder.

 

[Daytripper]

Victoria is fast becoming a totalitarian state.

Did you see where they gave a kid 16 years on the bottom for assault the other week? Outrageous.

This was the 4th post on this thread.

Now, you can't really accuse posters of getting off topic when you were the one that started it.

Your ideas on sentencing are not only ridiculous but also shockingly offensive to all the victims. For somene who supposedly cares so much about a persons civil liberties you have faint regard for those in the majority of society.

The comparison to the Taliban was apt before. They too believe that the majority should bow to the minorities interests.

 

[Wally Carter]

Now, you can't really accuse posters of getting off topic when you were the one that started it.

Nothing "off topic" about it.

It is in line with my thoughts on abuse of state power.

16 years on the bottom is outrageous.

I was speaking with one of Victoria's most renowned Forensic Psychologists last week and those were his exact words also.

 

[Daytripper]

I was speaking with one of Victoria's most renowned Forensic Psychologists last week and those were his exact words also.

Are you a patient of his ?

 

[finders]

Not only strip searching but the cops should be able to legally bash some sense into the drunken bogan thugs that are ruining a night out in the city for the rear of us!

 

[footyfreak]

So SA police are hassling innocent people and dealing out the Rodney King treatment unprovoked on the regular are they? Wow, I must have never noticed or heard about it.

All I'm saying is that in my experience as a 21-year-old (living my own life and observing those around me), if you don't cause trouble, you don't attract police attention, no matter who you are. If the world somehow works differently for everyone else here in SA, please give me evidence of that. I just know that I don't cause trouble, and therefore don't ever attract police attention, and thus feel no need to hold such paranoia, bitterness or cynicism towards law enforcement. If that's somehow naive, then so be it.

Where did i say or suggest that?

Police are notorious for abuse of power and if they are not kept in strict check then what starts off as very minor things soon grows into full on corruption. You must cut it off before it takes hold!

And i am not having a go at you, good luck if you can live thinking that way! You know what they say, "doesn't know, doesn't care, lucky bugger"

 

[footyfreak]

Are you a patient of his ?

I did genuinely LOL

 

[Damon_3388]

Where did i say or suggest that?

Police are notorious for abuse of power and if they are not kept in strict check then what starts off as very minor things soon grows into full on corruption. You must cut it off before it takes hold!

And i am not having a go at you, good luck if you can live thinking that way! You know what they say, "doesn't know, doesn't care, lucky bugger"

Well by saying that our police are "as bad as any state" and suggesting that I am very naive, to me that implied that police in SA are regularly abusing their position of power, and that this is a well-known fact that I am somehow unaware of. You say that "police are notorious for their abuse of power" as though cops are known to just run amok like SS Stormtroopers, doing as they please at the expense of the little people, which is entirely not the case from my experience. I've never known of anybody garnering police attention without doing something wrong first.

Unless you've had direct experience of being hassled by police when you'd done nothing wrong, I don't really see any reason for such distrust and fear of police and bitterness and resentment towards officers of the law. That not only goes for yourself, but Wally Carter and the many other people in society that seem to have a deep-seeded grudge against police. As far as I'm aware, the only people who police hassle here are those who are actually doing something wrong. Stick within the guidelines that society and the law provides, and you shouldn't have any problems.

 

[bit_pattern]

^^ You ARE sheltered, aren't you?

 

[footyfreak]

I've seen my fair share, know people who have seen their fair share and have a good friend who was in the police force.

 

[bzparkes]

Yeah, I know. Irregardless of the topic at hand, this will now come back as the simpletons get out of jail card for anyone that can't/won't debate me on the topic at hand.

You do understand that men who are rapists generally have zero respect for women. Can you give me a genuine answer as to why you believe having them work in women's refuges is going to change that? Do you think they're going to walk in there, meet the women and think "OMG, what have I done?" and start having a teary together in the corner? No, they'd treat it like the joke your suggestion is.

Bigfooty idiotic debating tactic 101.

Huuuuuugggeeee tactical blunder.

You were the one who suggested making rapists do community service in a women's refuge. Who's making idiotic suggestions now? Besides, how would the women feel knowing that the men working at the centre are convicted rapists, considering the fact that most of the women there would've been subject to that kind of abuse?

 

[Wally Carter]

I did genuinely LOL

That was the most predictable comeback in SRP history.

 

[Wally Carter]

You do understand that men who are rapists generally have zero respect for women. Can you give me a genuine answer as to why you believe having them work in women's refuges is going to change that? Do you think they're going to walk in there, meet the women and think "OMG, what have I done?" and start having a teary together in the corner? No, they'd treat it like the joke your suggestion is.

You were the one who suggested making rapists do community service in a women's refuge. Who's making idiotic suggestions now? Besides, how would the women feel knowing that the men working at the centre are convicted rapists, considering the fact that most of the women there would've been subject to that kind of abuse?

Yes, just as I predicted, every 2 bob soap box Jesus is targeting the rape thing.

Care to comment on the threads initial topic any time soon?

 

[Chief]

I know this is very easy to say (and will probably get some heated opposition), but whenever people cry foul over stuff like this, my first thought is always "don't do anything wrong, and you won't have any involvement with the police". Simple.

The problem comes when things that aren't wrong suddenly become wrong just so cops don't have to work so hard to earn their money.

 

[bzparkes]

Yes, just as I predicted, every 2 bob soap box Jesus is targeting the rape thing.

Care to comment on the threads initial topic any time soon?

So you admit it was a ridiculously stupid suggestion then? Good.

Anyway, to the topic at hand.

I personally don't think it's such a big deal. Obviously the article paints it in a bad light but most media these days is sensationalist so this article needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Police have a lot of powers these days but I'm yet to witness any abuse of such powers. I'm about to head back to Hamilton island to work and the security there are a lot more heavy handed and strict with the rules than any police I've met. Can't say I've ever had a problem with them though. Don't give them a reason to be interested in you and you most likely will never have a problem.

Is it really that hard to stay out of trouble?

You also seem to have a hard time dealing with the long sentence of the kid convicted of assault. Whilst I agree that his sentence may be slightly excessive, the person in question shows a long history of violence and will most likely never change. What about the victims? Why do you seem to be supporting the perpetrators whilst disregarding the victims?

 

[Damon_3388]

^^ You ARE sheltered, aren't you?

Well I obviously must be, seeing as I've never heard of anyone I know being hassled by police for no reason, and have had no involvement with the law myself. And as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I've been out in pubs and clubs every weekend for the past 3-4 years (as well as being in the city at some point pretty much every day for the past 8-9 years), so I'm not someone who sits at home hidden away from society. If it's as common as people are making it out to be, I must have somehow always avoided witnessing it/hearing about it.

Despite these apparently rampant abuses of power by law enforcement, I'm still of the belief that if you're not causing trouble, you won't attract police attention. It's always been the case for me, anyway.

I personally don't think it's such a big deal. Obviously the article paints it in a bad light but most media these days is sensationalist so this article needs to be taken with a grain of salt. Police have a lot of powers these days but I'm yet to witness any abuse of such powers. I'm about to head back to Hamilton island to work and the security there are a lot more heavy handed and strict with the rules than any police I've met. Can't say I've ever had a problem with them though. Don't give them a reason to be interested in you and you most likely will never have a problem.

Exactly.

Is it really that hard to stay out of trouble?

I never find it difficult to stay out of trouble, but there are some people out there who for some reason think they have a God-given right to act like morons and get away with it.

 

[P.A.F.C]

I've never had problems with Police when going out either. But I don't believe they should be given rights to do whatever they like.

 

[Strike Swiftly]

LOL - yes poor kid.

Fancy getting punished for gang attacks where he particapated by hitting his innocent victims over the head with a cricket bat.

Should have got life no parole in my opinion. Absolute scumbag with no redeeming qualities.

He was 20 wasn't he ?

What was your opinion of the Skaf rapists ?
Hard done by 'kids' were they ?

If you don't like our laws, you can always move. I don't know where though.

This

 

[Play by Numbers]

Ah the old safety for rights crowd.

If only the police were better at keeping people safe. Do I trust them not to abuse these powers, in short no.

No sensible person should either.

 

[Wally Carter]

So you admit it was a ridiculously stupid suggestion then? Good.

No, not at all.

It was a tactically stupid suggestion.

It gave the "holier than thou clique" an excuse to hijack the thread and take a morally superior position without actually contributing anything.

I personally don't think it's such a big deal. Obviously the article paints it in a bad light but most media these days is sensationalist so this article needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Do you also take the same "grain of salt" for the massively blown out of proportion "Melbourne is under seige" articles that appear in the daily papers?

Police have a lot of powers these days but I'm yet to witness any abuse of such powers. are a lot more heavy handed and strict with the rules than any police I've met.

Blowing away 15 year old kids? Murdering police informants?

How about choosing to shoot someone instead of using a taser?

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...cer-who-shot-man-had-taser-20091118-il3r.html

How about 3 male cops and a security guard tasering a 16 year old girl?

[youtube]dasbpCBU0hI[/youtube]

How about tasering a kid because they wouldn't take a shower?

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26371888-952,00.html

3 cops taser a man in handcuffs:

http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/world-news/officer-tasers-man-in-handcuffs-860240.html

I could go on and on.

Can't say I've ever had a problem with them though. Don't give them a reason to be interested in you and you most likely will never have a problem.

Is it really that hard to stay out of trouble?

You must shower regularly.

You also seem to have a hard time dealing with the long sentence of the kid convicted of assault.

The term "Draconian" was invented for situations just like this. That kid got 5 years off the judge and 15 years off the media.

Whilst I agree that his sentence may be slightly excessive, the person in question shows a long history of violence and will most likely never change.

How can a 20 year old have a long history of violence and go undetected from the law for so long?

What about the victims? Why do you seem to be supporting the perpetrators whilst disregarding the victims?

Well it's going to cost at least $800,000 in todays value to keep this kid in jail, let's try to get the kid cured and share the money amongst the victims instead?

 

[bzparkes]

No, not at all.

It was a tactically stupid suggestion.

It gave the "holier than thou clique" an excuse to hijack the thread and take a morally superior position without actually contributing anything.

There's nothing morally superior about it. It was a rubbish suggestion which noone would take seriously, anywhere. It's like suggesting a jewel thief work in a jewellery store as 'rehabilitation'..

Do you also take the same "grain of salt" for the massively blown out of proportion "Melbourne is under seige" articles that appear in the daily papers?

Don't live in Melbourne so I wouldn't have a clue about the type of articles you're mentioning here. Feel free to post a link if you feel like it.

How about choosing to shoot someone instead of using a taser?

http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/br...cer-who-shot-man-had-taser-20091118-il3r.html

Obviously I can't say for sure what the situation was like but in the article it never mentioned whether the man had died from the shooting or from self-harm. It says the officer shot him in the right shoulder. Don't know of many people dying after they'd been shot in their right shoulder. Maybe the officer in question deemed the situation dangerous enough to use his firearm?

How about 3 male cops and a security guard tasering a 16 year old girl?

[youtube]dasbpCBU0hI[/youtube]

How about saying it like it really happened? "One officer tasers girl in leg after being assaulted by the girl. Needed 2 other officers and a security guard to restrain her".

The person who reviewed the matter found no fault in the officer's actions, so I fail to see the problem. Just another case of sensationalist journalism I'm afraid. You need to take it with 'A grain of salt'...

How about tasering a kid because they wouldn't take a shower?

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26371888-952,00.html

I read that article and the girl's own mother gave permission for the officer to taser the girl. Not that I'm suggesting that's in any way the right thing to do but I think what happened is more indicative of the way the mother treats her child rather than the way the officer handled the situation.

3 cops taser a man in handcuffs:

http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/world-news/officer-tasers-man-in-handcuffs-860240.html

Officer in question who tasered the man was suspended from duty. Obviously did the wrong thing and was punished for it.

The above incident and the 10 year old girl both occurred in the US anyway. I thought we were discussing the change of law in Australia?

I could go on and on.

Why? You're not proving anything. I'm sure I could find videos and articles of random assaults to make my point, instead of actually explaining it in my own words. Have you formed a concise opinion, or are you merely scared that the sky is falling on your head?

You must shower regularly.

I do, thanks for asking.

The term "Draconian" was invented for situations just like this. That kid got 5 years off the judge and 15 years off the media.

How can a 20 year old have a long history of violence and go undetected from the law for so long?

i don't know the whole story, only snippets of what I've read from here. Why don't you post the story and breakdown for me what you thing is wrong with the sentence?

Well it's going to cost at least $800,000 in todays value to keep this kid in jail, let's try to get the kid cured and share the money amongst the victims instead?

Yeah, they try to cure prisoners all the time to prevent them from repeat offences, unfortunately some people will always be bad people. Lack of education, poor upbringing, poverty, social circles, etc.. all play a part in whether a person is going to be a repeat offender or not. When they're released, you can't prevent them from socialising with the same people or getting into the same situations. A person has to want to change, you can't force them to be different.

 

[Wally Carter]

There's nothing morally superior about it. It was a rubbish suggestion which noone would take seriously, anywhere. It's like suggesting a jewel thief work in a jewellery store as 'rehabilitation'..

Do you take the view that no criminal is ever rehabilitated?

Don't live in Melbourne so I wouldn't have a clue about the type of articles you're mentioning here. Feel free to post a link if you feel like it.

CBF. Get the Melbourne Herald Sun for the next week.

Obviously I can't say for sure what the situation was like but in the article it never mentioned whether the man had died from the shooting or from self-harm. It says the officer shot him in the right shoulder. Don't know of many people dying after they'd been shot in their right shoulder. Maybe the officer in question deemed the situation dangerous enough to use his firearm?

Oh.

So, it's okay to shoot a person instead of tasering a person as long as you don't kill them?

How about saying it like it really happened? "One officer tasers girl in leg after being assaulted by the girl. Needed 2 other officers and a security guard to restrain her".

Speechless.

I read that article and the girl's own mother gave permission for the officer to taser the girl. Not that I'm suggesting that's in any way the right thing to do but I think what happened is more indicative of the way the mother treats her child rather than the way the officer handled the situation.

That's it, I can't take you seriously any longer.

 

[DeanoT]

That's it, I can't take you seriously any longer.

That line gave me a hearty laugh.

 

[bzparkes]

Do you take the view that no criminal is ever rehabilitated?



CBF. Get the Melbourne Herald Sun for the next week.



Oh.

So, it's okay to shoot a person instead of tasering a person as long as you don't kill them?



Speechless.

So basically you have no points to contribute or can't rebut my arguments?

Can't remember one instance where I said it's ok to shoot someone instead of tasering, merely said the officer obviously deemed it appropriate.

Can't remember saying that tasering a 16 year old girl is ok, other than the fact that the girl appeared to strike the officer first and the person who reviewed the incident said the officers acted appropriately.

Can't remember saying I agree with the tasering of a 10y.o. girl.

That's it, I can't take you seriously any longer.

I don't think anyone on this board takes you seriously. You put forward no argument other than 'OMG, the sky is falling'. It's obvious you have an issue with police, why is that? It's also obvious that you have no argument at all other than a reactive rant to sensationalist media stories.


Maybe you could try addressing the points instead of giving up so easily?