Vicious Dog Breeds.

[PortProudWA]

Originally posted by P_D

great picture....spat me coffee out over that one

 

[Diego]

Oh i thought this thread was about Mantis.

*walks outta thread*

 

[Bobby Giovanni]

Originally posted by evade28
it wouldnt take much to kill a 6 week old.

Is this your defence? Maybe Greg Domasiviec (sp - who cares?) should have used it.

 

[Nikita Blue]

This thread is full of generalisations. My parents have a 15 year old Ridgeback cross they got as a puppy from the RSPCA who is as gentle as a lamb. My shepherd is of similar temperament. They were both socialised early - with both humans and other dogs - and obedience trained. As others have said it is really bad owners that create dangerous situations.

Another thing on Sheps - just about every council and dog's home classify cross breeds as Shepherds if their parentage is unclear. Thus whenever statistics are taken on dangerous dogs they appear at the top of the list.

 

[EssJayW]

Originally posted by Professional
Were you wearing a Collingwood jumper

GOLD

 

[Diego]

Originally posted by Zeke

I reckon any dog should be destroyed the first instant it shows any serious intent to harm a human. Simple as that. The quicker than trait is eliminated from the dog gene pool, the better.

Just substitute the word dog with human and you make a very valid point.

 

[Asgardian]

Long term posters here know my views, they need not be repeated.

Danni, to you and the other pious, forever vigilant, never ever made a mistake parents, and others who have never been a parent, but they know ALL about the subject, I say this

people / parents are not perfect

They have to suddenly run to the toilet
They suddenly feel sick and vomit
They are distracted by the phone
They are distracted by one of their other children
They are distracted by just about anyone
They drop a glass and have to clean up the broken glass
They burn themselves with boiling water

There are a million and one reasons people / parents can lose concentration for just a moment, and that is all it takes, just a few seconds.

So for those here wanting to blame the parents for losing concentration for just a moment, grow up, get real, accept the reality of the situation.

Parents, in the main, are vigilant, they try their very best, but they are not robots.

Now let's get to the heart of the problem the initial post presented.

SOME dogs have a greater propensity to attack.
SOME dogs, when they do attack, have a greater propensity to inflict injury / death, than most other dogs could cause
ALL dogs need to be trained / supervised / be bred correctly to eliminate anti-social traits.
ALL dogs must be supervised when around children (accepting the fact that people are not perfect)

A few generalisations that i will make, that I trust all here will accept as a fact:-

A dog is a wonderful companion for children and adults
The type of breed of that dog, is immaterial to the above "truism"

If they are both fact, why do we as a society, allow members of our community to obtain, keep & breed dogs that are recognised as having greater propensity to cause injury / death, than other more socially minded breeds?

Why do we allow members of our society to own dog breeds, that have greater propensity to attack, when they could just as easily own a more socially minded dog breed?

I'll give everyone a clue

We pander to the individuals within our communities who wish to convey an image of aggression, of toughness, of might makes right.

That, more than anything else, is the indictment which prosecutes all of us.

We have become lazy, we let loud obnoxious individuals shout down the silent majority.

We have allowed the ignorant few to deflect reasoned argument, we let them turn socially aware debate into a joke.

Our world / country / state / local community have no need of a dog such as American Pit Bull Terriers, but we do nothing to stop the ignorant, macho fools from keeping them.

I hope the lad, the original point of focus of this thread, plus all the lads and lasses that'll be attacked in the future, well in their recovery, if they survive that is.

 

[mantis]

*cough* "Staffy" *cough*.

 

[Asgardian]

Why do we tolerate the ignorant few, that are incapable of contributing intelligently to a socially important debate?

Why do we let them add "throw away" one-liners, which say nothing, which do not address any of the issues included in the debate, but do highlight their own inabilities?

An old truism serves well here:-

"Say nothing, and let everyone think you are a fool, instead of opening your mouth and proving it"

 

[mantis]

Seeing as there is no yawn emoticom, this will have to do.

 

[bucksisbest]

Originally posted by Zeke

I reckon any dog should be destroyed the first instant it shows any serious intent to harm a human. Simple as that. The quicker than trait is eliminated from the dog gene pool, the better.

Originally posted by Frosties_Flank
Just substitute the word dog with human and you make a very valid point.

Diego , weren't you originally banned from this forum for threatening other posters with violence?

 

[Asgardian]

AHHHHHHHH, the good old fashioned "Rolleyes"

The final refuge for those bereft of ideas & bankrupt as a wordsmith

 

[TheGreatCoranzo]

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[Bombers 2003]

Originally posted by TheGreatCoranzo
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[Bombers 2003]

Mantis.
Do you support or not the Anti Tail docking legislation?,or do u agree with the Breeders?.
FYI-I support the RSPCA view not the Breeders' view.

 

[evade28]

Originally posted by Bombers 2003
Mantis.
Do you support or not the Anti Tail docking legislation?,or do u agree with the Breeders?.
FYI-I support the RSPCA view not the Breeders' view.

i thought it was a good idea, but now hearing some of the reasons breeders were saying, im not so sure. maybe for some breeds yes.
but i have spoken to a few breeders of dobermanns and they have said that they don't want it banned because of the breeds susceptability to tail damage. i don't know if you've seen long tailed dobermanns, but they are long and thin, very easy to break. i'd rather get it docked when they are very small to save future potential harm.

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by Bombers 2003
Mantis.
Do you support or not the Anti Tail docking legislation?,or do u agree with the Breeders?.
FYI-I support the RSPCA view not the Breeders' view.

I can't understand why this question keeps getting brought up in these topics, but OH well, as I have said before, I am against tail docking, ear cropping & debarking.

 

[evade28]

Originally posted by mantis
I can't understand why this question keeps getting brought up in these topics, but OH well, as I have said before, I am against tail docking, ear cropping & debarking.

are you against the breeding of deformed breeds?
such as the bulldog, which has a lot of respiratory problems because of its nose/mouth. and is obviously not natural seeing as they cannot give birth naturally and need caeserians

 

[mantis]

Originally posted by evade28
are you against the breeding of deformed breeds?
such as the bulldog, which has a lot of respiratory problems because of its nose/mouth. and is obviously not natural seeing as they cannot give birth naturally and need caeserians

???????????? they aren't a deformed breed, have been bred for hundreds of years, yes they do have some health problems like a lot of breeds, but most good breeders, try to breed out the problems.

There are a lot of dogs I wouldn't own because of health concerns, but other people love these breeds & do their best to improve them.

Again another totally off topic question, mind you it is better than the repetative rantings on the original topic.

 

[P_D]

 

[Katthawk]

Originally posted by P_D

Yeah!! Get ya own thread. Ya loozer!!

(Sorry, am I off topic yet AGAIN!! )

 

[Bombers 2003]

Originally posted by evade28
i thought it was a good idea, but now hearing some of the reasons breeders were saying, im not so sure. maybe for some breeds yes.
but i have spoken to a few breeders of dobermanns and they have said that they don't want it banned because of the breeds susceptability to tail damage. i don't know if you've seen long tailed dobermanns, but they are long and thin, very easy to break. i'd rather get it docked when they are very small to save future potential harm.

I never seen a doberman with a tail,relatives have had Doberman's with docked tails from Breeders.I think what the breeders tell u is propaganda.

 

[Diego]

Originally posted by bucksisbest
Diego , weren't you originally banned from this forum for threatening other posters with violence?

No b/c i threatened someone with mass emails. that is all.

 

[Fullarton Power]

Originally posted by lenny&carl
I reckon powerful dogs are a lot like powerful cars, in that they primarily appeal to people who are fundamentally powerless. Yes that's 2 big generalisations all at once, but I reckon it's fairly accurate.

Agree entirely.

 

[EssJayW]

If we gathered all the dogs in the world, minced them up, how many starving people could we feed?