Politics Violence against Nazis, acceptable?

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Recently we've seen a few isolated incidents of Nazi's being assaulted while trying to disrupt left wing protests.

Others would say we've seen left wing protesters take preventative measures to ensure their self defence, much as America and Australia have done in fighting wars in the middle east without being attacked.

Is this kind of action justified? If someone is in the motion of trying to assemble a political movement that would see you killed or assaulted, is it ok to take preventative action against them and seize the initiative?

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The Nazis were clear that they were using democracy in order to destroy all democracy.

As early as 1925, Hitler stated, “Our movement is anti-parliamentarian, and even its participation in a parliamentary institution can only imply activity for its destruction.”

Yet the leaders of Germany’s Social Democratic Party (SPD), the equivalent of the Labour Party in Britain today, urged their supporters to only oppose the fascists by “legal”, constitutional means – not attempting to break up Nazi meetings.

As Hitler was sworn in as chancellor, the SPD’s newspaper, Vorwaerts, printed a special edition.

It said, “In the face of a government that threatens a coup d’état, social democracy stands firm on the grounds of the constitution and legality.”

Today, with the knowledge of the Holocaust and mass destruction that fascism led to, few could argue against the idea that Hitler should have been stopped by any means necessary.

A show of determined resistance by the working class movement and anti-fascists would have stopped the German ruling class from handing power to Hitler.

Hitler said later, after he took power, “Only one thing could have stopped us – if our adversaries had, from the first day, smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our movement.”
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/18968/Hitlers+rule+shows+danger+of+debating+fascists



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This will end well.

As with all things violence-related: Only in Self-Defense.
I guess that is the crux of the question though: when you're dealing with a thoroughly undemocratic movement like the far right, whether they're Nazi dweebs or ISIS headcutters, at what point is it self defence? Is it not better to act early and prevent them taking over? This was the mistake the communists made in Germany in the 30's, they didnt take the Nazi's seriously enough and as a result gave them too much time to destroy democracy.

Hitler himself admitted the only way to stop Nazis (and ISIS are basically the same thing politically) is to act with force and act early.
 

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What would Mohammed do?

But seriously vil, unless you move to the states and join black lives matter or ship off to Somalia you are wasting your time dressing up and hiding your pocket protector.

What could be more embarrassing than a nerd in Australia misplacing his bloodlust and enabling terror in all its glory.
 

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The majority of your posts.
There's a phenomenon occurring where Islamists are being incarcerated in huge numbers in certain western countries.

I've heard it's also occurring in the jails of Victoria and is apparently a bit of a 'coolest gang around' that is able to recruit local deadshits through sheer numbers and isolation.

I don't wish for vil to leave the sanctuary of his keyboard and coward punch his way into the grasp of real life nutballs. It won't be good for this board, at all.
 

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There's a phenomenon occurring where Islamists are being incarcerated in huge numbers in certain western countries.

I've heard it's also occurring in the jails of Victoria and is apparently a bit of a 'coolest gang around' that is able to recruit local thugs through sheer numbers and isolation.

I don't wish for vil to leave the sanctuary of his keyboard and coward punch his way into the grasp of real life nutballs. It won't be good for this board, at all.
Islamists are worse than nazis?
 
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But your support of violence against trump supporters demonstrates you and your lefty anarchist anti democratic ilk wouldn't know what the far right is even if it crawled up and sat on your face..
Oh, for a comma or 2....The Anti-Robbo.
 

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But your support of violence against trump supporters demonstrates you and your lefty anarchist anti democratic ilk wouldn't know what the far right is even if it crawled up and sat on your face..
This isnt about Trump supporters, it is exclusively about Nazis and terrorists.

Though I acknowledge that a significant proportion of Trump supporters are Nazis and can see how you got confused.
 

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This isnt about Trump supporters, it is exclusively about Nazis and terrorists.

Though I acknowledge that a significant proportion of Trump supporters are Nazis and can see how you got confused.
What about the Jew hater KV do you reckon you could line him up with some Zyklon B , no better way to get the Jews out of Israel.
 
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Suppose we all get older. Cant recall Middle East dictators promising to keep their genocide local. The cat was eventually going to get out of the bag, one way or another.
Assad, Hussein & Gudaffi kept the nuffies in check....Israel & the U.S support, arm & encourage them.

2 million deaths & 20 million refugees later....When are people going to recognize who is at fault here?
 

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Assad, Hussein & Gudaffi kept the nuffies in check....Israel & the U.S support, arm & encourage them.

2 million deaths & 20 million refugees later....When are people going to recognize who is at fault here?
I agree. I also believe Islam is a virus and superficially sticking fingers in the dam wall (propping up mini genocidal maniacs) is a temporary measure.

Islam was always going to clash with modern technology, travel, globalization, useless herds of males and the partial awakening of Islamic women's rights.

I'd prefer the yanks were in control than those that wish to exterminate us.

Just a preference.

The world isn't great and ideals of harmony are a bit redundant. At least in our generation.
 
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I agree. I also believe Islam is a virus and superficially sticking fingers in the dam wall is a temporary measure.
Islam was always going to clash with modern technology, travel, globalization, useless herds of males and the partial awakening of Islamic women's rights.
I'd prefer the yanks were in control than those that wish to exterminate us.....Just a preference.
The world isn't great and ideals of harmony are a bit redundant. At least in our generation.
Alot of ad hoc generalizations here....All 3 Islamic nations were generally secular & peace-loving....The trouble was they were doing too well & hence a perceived threat to Israel....Not to mention the neo-cons desire for their oil.

Islam is not interested in usury, as unlike the Zionists, they actually believe in the concepts of God & Justice.

None of them were greatly armed or looking to invade other countries....Though your MSM cultivated, Anti-Muslim bias, is duly noted.
 

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Alot of ad hoc generalizations here....All 3 Islamic nations were generally secular & peace-loving....The trouble was they were doing too well & hence a perceived threat to Israel....Not to mention the neo-cons desire for their oil.

Islam is not interested in usury, as unlike the Zionists, they actually believe in the concepts of God & Justice.

None of them were greatly armed or looking to invade other countries....Though your MSM cultivated, Anti-Muslim bias, is duly noted.
You're all over it.

I remember reading that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds etc and thought thats pretty shite. Minor secularism shouldn't really mean genocide is overlooked. They are adults, not children.
 
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You're all over it.

I remember reading that Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of Kurds etc and thought thats pretty shite. Minor secularism shouldn't really mean genocide is overlooked. They are adults, not children.
Yes....More MSM propaganda used to justify invasion on top of WMD....Yet you still choose to swallow it hook, line & sinker.

I shouldn't need to tell you which particular interests & factions own & run the MSM....Or on which side their allegiances lie....Now should I.
 

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Alot of ad hoc generalizations here....All 3 Islamic nations were generally secular & peace-loving....The trouble was they were doing too well & hence a perceived threat to Israel....Not to mention the neo-cons desire for their oil.

Islam is not interested in usury, as unlike the Zionists, they actually believe in the concepts of God & Justice.

None of them were greatly armed or looking to invade other countries....Though your MSM cultivated, Anti-Muslim bias, is duly noted.
I am with you on a bit of what you are saying but calling Saddams Iraq peace loving is... ambitious at best.
 
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