vs. Geelong

[natlovestheswans]

Lineup wise it's pretty hard to predict what is going to happen.

Davis and Crouch to come back in?

I guess the obviously would be Bevo dropped and possibly Teddy? However both them had decent games today.

Maybe Demspter will be dropped?

What about Benny Mathews? An article on the Swans website with Roosy saying that he's one week away..

Hm, thoughts? Who do you think will be the ins and outs for this week?

 

[is2SWaNz]

hmm...this is tough. Today Swans played well, and its hard to decide. I really don't know! =[ We'll just have to wait and see. I doubt Teddy would be dropped, he was outstanding today.

 

[Carolyn]

IN: Davis
OUT: Fosdike

If Fossie is able to play than it might be Bevan or Dempster that goes out.

 

[natlovestheswans]

No news of Fosdike? I really hope he's gonna be okay.

 

[TheMase]

What about Benny Mathews? An article on the Swans website with Roosy saying that he's one week away..

One week away from playing in Reserves.

It will depend on the is Bevan is charged really I guess, that'll make it easier I guess.

My guess would be...

Dempster / Richards, Bevan
Crouch, Davis

 

[natlovestheswans]

One week away from playing in Reserves.

It will depend on the is Bevan is charged really I guess, that'll make it easier I guess.

My guess would be...

Dempster / Richards, Bevan
Crouch, Davis

There's no way Bevo will be charged, it will be thrown out straight away.

 

[robbieando]

There's no way Bevo will be charged, it will be thrown out straight away.

Really doesn't matter, he'll get dropped for Crouch's return.

 

[Ed_Gein]

I thought Richards served us really well against Melbourne as a loose man in defense. Could operate in the same sort of role against Geelong if needed.

 

[CharlieG]

No news of Fosdike? I really hope he's gonna be okay.

He's fine. He was at the aftermatch an hour after the incident. Wouldn't have been there if there were any concerns.

 

[GavMatt]

Fosdike and Bevan out - Davis and Crouch back in. Although hear that Crouchy didn't finish training on Thursday and ankle is a problem again. Mathews in reserves next week to get the fitness back up. Would have to back Dempster making way for Benny when he is fit.

 

[bigswan]

Unconformed sources say that Crouch was injured in the Reserves today and may be in doubt. Davis also took a heavy knock but if he is injured he will probably come back this week if only for the psychological effect his presence will have on Geelong. He will replace Dempster or Bevo I think.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Unconformed sources say that Crouch was injured in the Reserves today and may be in doubt. Davis also took a heavy knock but if he is injured he will probably come back this week if only for the psychological effect his presence will have on Geelong. He will replace Dempster or Bevo I think.

Apparently Davis took an early knock but came out and had a really good game afterwards, so he should be set to return next week.

 

[FixterFan]

Apparently Davis took an early knock but came out and had a really good game afterwards, so he should be set to return next week.

It is really difficult to see who he should come in for. With Crouch in doubt, Bevan is definitely needed to match up Ablett with someone like Schneider picking up Chapman. Grundy has been very important to our revitalised forward structure, and has kicked 7 goals in 4 games, terrific return from a 3rd tall/4th forward. Dempster gives us that tall defensive midfielder option...balance-wise, it would seem that Davis and Fosdike are fighting it out for that "outside midfielder" role. Otherwise, depending on how many talls Geelong bring into the match, it may be feasible to bring Davis in for Richards to give us extra midfield drive.

 

[natlovestheswans]

It is really difficult to see who he should come in for. With Crouch in doubt, Bevan is definitely needed to match up Ablett with someone like Schneider picking up Chapman. Grundy has been very important to our revitalised forward structure, and has kicked 7 goals in 4 games, terrific return from a 3rd tall/4th forward. Dempster gives us that tall defensive midfielder option...balance-wise, it would seem that Davis and Fosdike are fighting it out for that "outside midfielder" role. Otherwise, depending on how many talls Geelong bring into the match, it may be feasible to bring Davis in for Richards to give us extra midfield drive.

Davis will come in, in the end he has so much skill, talent, a great kick and has the ability to swing games. Come finals times Davis could be the difference. I can honestly see Grundy getting cut, why? Because he's kicked 7 goals in 4 games and for his position i honestly don't think that's enough, not for the role he is playing anyway. Also, he can't kick 2 goals and then go quite.. which is what he does. Gets a few and then doesn't do anything. I know i'm being harsh on Grundy but i don't think he's spot is secure. Nick Davis would be within the top 5 out of our based on talent. If that boy would apply himself more, who knows what he could do. So you saying he would have fighting for a position againest Fosdike is not justified, Davis will be in the team come finals, regardless. Someone will make way for him. Also, Fosdike won't be cut. He's become a very solid and consistent player for us.

 

[CharlieG]

Davis will come in, in the end he has so much skill, talent, a great kick and has the ability to swing games. Come finals times Davis could be the difference. I can honestly see Grundy getting cut, why? Because he's kicked 7 goals in 4 games and for his position i honestly don't think that's enough, not for the role he is playing anyway. .

His first four games.

You seem to expect rookies to come into the team and be stars overnight - otherwise they're not worth keeping. The truth is that Grundy is by far the most exciting debutant we've had since Kennelly.

How do you propose to develop new players if you won't give them game time?

 

[natlovestheswans]

His first four games.

You seem to expect rookies to come into the team and be stars overnight - otherwise they're not worth keeping. The truth is that Grundy is by far the most exciting debutant we've had since Kennelly.

How do you propose to develop new players if you won't give them game time?

So you think he will hold a position? I know it's his first four games and he's done a great job, but it's getting down to the business end of things. I also think he does need to do more for the position he is playing. We've got so many players this year that do deserve a position.. there's only 22 spots though, so some have to miss out.

 

[CharlieG]

So you think he will hold a position? I know it's his first four games and he's done a great job, but it's getting down to the business end of things. I also think he does need to do more for the position he is playing. We've got so many players this year that do deserve a position.. there's only 22 spots though, so some have to miss out.

He'll hold his spot because he is already in our best 22.

He's actually doing a lot just by being there. With Davis to return, the Swans have five strong marking options down forward. By the time Hall, O'Keefe, O'Loughlin and Davis take the best four defenders, Grundy has the size and ability to expose the #5 backman in even the best finals teams.

Two goals a game from Grundy is a more than adequate return considering that he can only expect a tiny fraction of his leads to be honoured.

 

[natlovestheswans]

He'll hold his spot because he is already in our best 22.

He's actually doing a lot just by being there. With Davis to return, the Swans have five strong marking options down forward. By the time Hall, O'Keefe, O'Loughlin and Davis take the best four defenders, Grundy has the size and ability to expose the #5 backman in even the best finals teams.

Two goals a game from Grundy is a more than adequate return considering that he can only expect a tiny fraction of his leads to be honoured.

Okay fair enough, valid point. I do think Grundy could do alot more, hopefully that will come within time if infact he does hold his position come finals time.

The point i was making was that if it came down to it Davis would be selected over Grundy, for the most simple reasons. FixterFan was pretty much saying the he doesn't think Davis will get a position in the team, which is stupid. Paul Roos is a smart man and he definately wants Davis fit and firing come finals time. Who knows what he is capable of when he wants it.

 

[FixterFan]

Davis will come in, in the end he has so much skill, talent, a great kick and has the ability to swing games. Come finals times Davis could be the difference. I can honestly see Grundy getting cut, why? Because he's kicked 7 goals in 4 games and for his position i honestly don't think that's enough, not for the role he is playing anyway. Also, he can't kick 2 goals and then go quite.. which is what he does. Gets a few and then doesn't do anything. I know i'm being harsh on Grundy but i don't think he's spot is secure. Nick Davis would be within the top 5 out of our based on talent. If that boy would apply himself more, who knows what he could do. So you saying he would have fighting for a position againest Fosdike is not justified, Davis will be in the team come finals, regardless. Someone will make way for him. Also, Fosdike won't be cut. He's become a very solid and consistent player for us.

Just objectively speaking, VERY few teams have a 3rd tall that's kicked the number of goals per game that Grundy has. And structure-wise, Grundy is more valuable than Davis, simply because he does take pressure off the likes of Hall, O'Loughlin and O'Keefe by being a bigger target inside 50.

In all honesty, I think Davis's days as a forward are over. Small leading forwards who have little to no crumbing power are high risk in today's games - they tend to be effective only with fast transitional play and an open forward line, and are neutralised whenever the slow play element comes in. Let Davis be a midfielder and midfielder only - he might still snag a few goals on the run, but let's use what endurance he has on being an outside, attacking midfielder in bursts rotating with the likes of Buchanan and Fosdike.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Just objectively speaking, VERY few teams have a 3rd tall that's kicked the number of goals per game that Grundy has. And structure-wise, Grundy is more valuable than Davis, simply because he does take pressure off the likes of Hall, O'Loughlin and O'Keefe by being a bigger target inside 50.

You're kidding me right?

I'm actually laughing.

 

[FixterFan]

Okay fair enough, valid point. I do think Grundy could do alot more, hopefully that will come within time if infact he does hold his position come finals time.

The point i was making was that if it came down to it Davis would be selected over Grundy, for the most simple reasons. FixterFan was pretty much saying the he doesn't think Davis will get a position in the team, which is stupid. Paul Roos is a smart man and he definately wants Davis fit and firing come finals time. Who knows what he is capable of when he wants it.

I definitely want Davis in the side - his performances in the seconds has certainly seemed to warrant it, and I know he is a very good player. This week it is very hard to drop any of the usual suspects though, with most playing well (and Grundy important for the reasons in the above post). I would be thrilled if the ineffectual B1 was dropped for Davis - but no one seems to agree with me on this one.

 

[natlovestheswans]

I definitely want Davis in the side - his performances in the seconds has certainly seemed to warrant it, and I know he is a very good player. This week it is very hard to drop any of the usual suspects though, with most playing well (and Grundy important for the reasons in the above post). I would be thrilled if the ineffectual B1 was dropped for Davis - but no one seems to agree with me on this one.

Now you want Jude Bolton dropped?

 

[FixterFan]

You're kidding me right?

I'm actually laughing.

No, I'm serious

Davis, for all his other virtues, is not a good mark, and certainly not a good contested mark. So I see that Grundy offers a role different to Davis that is harder to replicate with other players, while Davis has skills that are easier to cover with the current available personnel (but I still think Davis is in our best 22)

 

[FixterFan]

Now you want Jude Bolton dropped?

You reply too quick for me to type

Swans have quite a few "inside" type midfielders - B1 has been the less effective out of them all, and his form has certainly been very poor over the last 6 weeks or so. He still has value, but I would rate Davis (as a midfielder) as higher value than him.

 

[natlovestheswans]

Seriously, think what you like. Think Grundy is more valuable than Davis, but personally i think come finals time Davis will be within the top 5 in the value factor alone. I think what Paul Roos has done is very smart, intially Davis was dropped on "form and fitness", Roosy wanted to get him back to his best when it was coming to the later part of the season. Nick didn't help his cause and his time in the reserves got extended but Roosy hasn't put him back in, in any rush. Nick has lost 3 kilos and he will definately be firing come finals time. Roosy himself would know that Nick could very well once again come very valuable come finals time. He was almost the difference at Subi and was the difference in the Geelong game.

As for Jude, well no, lately he hasn't been at his best but he's still very hard it and a good worker all up. Sydney aren't full of superstars, they are a team full or hardworkers.. Jude is definately one of them.