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greatwhiteshark said:
It is also possible that the players on our list that are our depth are very average footballers.
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Unlikely that depth alone causes such low level performances, when structures break down everything looks bad.

Fremantle v Bulldogs is proof enough.


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Sorry if I am butting in here and I'll see my self out if I am over stepping the line

But I think you just came up against a really good side yesterday. I wouldn't be too disheartened about the result. That's what the reserves side is there for.

I think the big issue is just the KPP depth. It's looking pretty meh if I am being honest. Lamb was playing as a KPF when I feel he should be playing on the wing. Beyond that there really wasn't anything there. Down back McKenzie looked okish but hes getting on. You need to start bringing through some depth there via the draft or trade.

The other issue I saw is that whilst the stats sheet shows the midfield did well and collected a lot of the ball it really was completely ineffectual. The possessions were not damaging at all.

Hutchings was underwhelming. Sheed is going to be a long burn and I think he will be very good. Jetta looks absolutely cooked he looks to be carrying weight and looks half interested.

I think you might need to look at your small defender depth as well. Subi fwd line isn't exactly tall yet they dominated.

The tackle count tells the story IMO

I just think you need be a bit pro active with the list and start recycling it a little
 
StCicatriz said:
Sorry if I am butting in here and I'll see my self out if I am over stepping the line

But I think you just came up against a really good side yesterday. I wouldn't be too disheartened about the result. That's what the reserves side is there for.

I think the big issue is just the KPP depth. It's looking pretty meh if I am being honest. Lamb was playing as a KPF when I feel he should be playing on the wing. Beyond that there really wasn't anything there. Down back McKenzie looked okish but hes getting on. You need to start bringing through some depth there via the draft or trade.

The other issue I saw is that whilst the stats sheet shows the midfield did well and collected a lot of the ball it really was completely ineffectual. The possessions were not damaging at all.

Hutchings was underwhelming. Sheed is going to be a long burn and I think he will be very good. Jetta looks absolutely cooked he looks to be carrying weight and looks half interested.

I think you might need to look at your small defender depth as well. Subi fwd line isn't exactly tall yet they dominated.

The tackle count tells the story IMO

I just think you need be a bit pro active with the list and start recycling it a little
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KPF depth is a massive problem for us. I feel it wouldn't have been so bad had Petrie not been injured as he'd at least have provided a target up forward and released Lamb a bit. Hopefully Allen can build form after coming back from injury and move into the seniors. Also having a number of seniors retire last year means the young guys lose out on a lot of leadership. Team just seems a bit rudderless at the moment.
 

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StCicatriz said:
Sorry if I am butting in here and I'll see my self out if I am over stepping the line

But I think you just came up against a really good side yesterday. I wouldn't be too disheartened about the result. That's what the reserves side is there for.

I think the big issue is just the KPP depth. It's looking pretty meh if I am being honest. Lamb was playing as a KPF when I feel he should be playing on the wing. Beyond that there really wasn't anything there. Down back McKenzie looked okish but hes getting on. You need to start bringing through some depth there via the draft or trade.

The other issue I saw is that whilst the stats sheet shows the midfield did well and collected a lot of the ball it really was completely ineffectual. The possessions were not damaging at all.

Hutchings was underwhelming. Sheed is going to be a long burn and I think he will be very good. Jetta looks absolutely cooked he looks to be carrying weight and looks half interested.

I think you might need to look at your small defender depth as well. Subi fwd line isn't exactly tall yet they dominated.

The tackle count tells the story IMO

I just think you need be a bit pro active with the list and start recycling it a little
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Hitting the problem well Saint, thanks for the feedback and it's good it can be recognised by non Eagles fans as well.

Lot of experience lot at East Perth over the off season and they're not easily replaceable when you largely have guys coming straight out of the under age comps replacing them. There restrictions in terms of player turnover and list regeneration are hurting them.

In an ideal situation Petrie would have played a lot of footy with East Perth in 2017 and there wouldn't be as much of a reliance on Lamb as McIness would be largely a KPF as well. KPP depth is brittle which made it very hard to replace someone like Darling for example against the Swans.

Guys like Vardy and Giles would have been at East Perth more regularly as well and there wouldn't be such a reliance on the big fella Simon Jones and McInnes in the ruck.

Totally agree with your thoughts on the midfield. Jetta's numbers were good but his touches were ineffectual. Showed his desire to take the game on by foot a bit but not with run and carry. Was very flat footed.

Made the point last week that we need to look at getting a genuine smaller defender in. Haven't had a smaller defender really since earlier this decade with Adam Carter, were trying to turn mid sized defenders into smaller defenders like Nelson and Cole.
 
StCicatriz said:
Sorry if I am butting in here and I'll see my self out if I am over stepping the line

But I think you just came up against a really good side yesterday. I wouldn't be too disheartened about the result. That's what the reserves side is there for.

I think the big issue is just the KPP depth. It's looking pretty meh if I am being honest. Lamb was playing as a KPF when I feel he should be playing on the wing. Beyond that there really wasn't anything there. Down back McKenzie looked okish but hes getting on. You need to start bringing through some depth there via the draft or trade.

The other issue I saw is that whilst the stats sheet shows the midfield did well and collected a lot of the ball it really was completely ineffectual. The possessions were not damaging at all.

Hutchings was underwhelming. Sheed is going to be a long burn and I think he will be very good. Jetta looks absolutely cooked he looks to be carrying weight and looks half interested.

I think you might need to look at your small defender depth as well. Subi fwd line isn't exactly tall yet they dominated.

The tackle count tells the story IMO

I just think you need be a bit pro active with the list and start recycling it a little
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The injuries to Naitanui, Lycett, Petrie and Waterman has hurt our forward/ruck KPP depth. Allen has only just returned too and is building in the reserves.

Watson and Cole will help with the small defender problem.
 
omarlittle1 said:
So is Sheed looking poor?
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Kicked a nice long goal in the second quarter but was held well. Like a lot of his mates there seemed to be no urgency in it for him.

Watching him closely for the first time and what his doing not only on the ball but off it, you can see why Simmo has sent him back to the WAFL.
 
getgaff said:
Hitting the problem well Saint, thanks for the feedback and it's good it can be recognised by non Eagles fans as well.

Lot of experience lot at East Perth over the off season and they're not easily replaceable when you largely have guys coming straight out of the under age comps replacing them. There restrictions in terms of player turnover and list regeneration are hurting them.

In an ideal situation Petrie would have played a lot of footy with East Perth in 2017 and there wouldn't be as much of a reliance on Lamb as McIness would be largely a KPF as well. KPP depth is brittle which made it very hard to replace someone like Darling for example against the Swans.

Guys like Vardy and Giles would have been at East Perth more regularly as well and there wouldn't be such a reliance on the big fella Simon Jones and McInnes in the ruck.

Totally agree with your thoughts on the midfield. Jetta's numbers were good but his touches were ineffectual. Showed his desire to take the game on by foot a bit but not with run and carry. Was very flat footed.

Made the point last week that we need to look at getting a genuine smaller defender in. Haven't had a smaller defender really since earlier this decade with Adam Carter, were trying to turn mid sized defenders into smaller defenders like Nelson and Cole.
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That's a fair point about the experience. I hadn't realise how many senior WAFL blokes east perth had lost. That's one of the hard things to do with alignments. Keeping the senior blokes. I've seen it happen at Sandringham for our mob.
 
WCErevival said:
The injuries to Naitanui, Lycett, Petrie and Waterman has hurt our forward/ruck KPP depth. Allen has only just returned too and is building in the reserves.

Watson and Cole will help with the small defender problem.
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I didnt realise waterman was injured. How long is he out for?
 
StCicatriz said:
I didnt realise waterman was injured. How long is he out for?
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Officially 8 weeks, unofficially who knows. He's been "8 weeks" for a few weeks in a row now.
 

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StCicatriz said:
Sorry if I am butting in here and I'll see my self out if I am over stepping the line

But I think you just came up against a really good side yesterday. I wouldn't be too disheartened about the result. That's what the reserves side is there for.

I think the big issue is just the KPP depth. It's looking pretty meh if I am being honest. Lamb was playing as a KPF when I feel he should be playing on the wing. Beyond that there really wasn't anything there. Down back McKenzie looked okish but hes getting on. You need to start bringing through some depth there via the draft or trade.

The other issue I saw is that whilst the stats sheet shows the midfield did well and collected a lot of the ball it really was completely ineffectual. The possessions were not damaging at all.

Hutchings was underwhelming. Sheed is going to be a long burn and I think he will be very good. Jetta looks absolutely cooked he looks to be carrying weight and looks half interested.

I think you might need to look at your small defender depth as well. Subi fwd line isn't exactly tall yet they dominated.

The tackle count tells the story IMO

I just think you need be a bit pro active with the list and start recycling it a little
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Injuries are a problem but there is a lack of new KPP's coming through.

Agree about Lamb, he's a wingman or half forward flanker. Waterman would help, can actually read the ball in flight and is an intelligent and hard working forward, watching DV getting worked around by defenders showed how lacking they are in the way of forward targets. Waterman wouldn't be dominated by Litherland. But he's not tall enough to fix the KPP issues, Allen isn't a solution to the lack of targets and with Giles EP's leading goal kicker it proves WC have a KPF shortage.

Rioli will give us some ground level competence and defensive pressure. Tom Cole won't fix the problems because he's another backward of center player.
 
Still can't belive we didn't throw Ryan a lifeline in the rookie draft

Freo will finish lower than us and swoop in this year
 
omarlittle1 said:
So is Sheed looking poor?
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Sheed was very good last week against Claremont but less so last night

He is also a perfect example of problems with the alignment and why EP are struggling

Simpson has said more than once that it Sheeds work off the ball that's keeping him out of the side so naturally he's going to be wanting to work on that aspect of his game

Problem is at WAFL level he should be playing as an offensive mid and opposing sides treat him as such. Subiaco put a lot of work into him at stoppages and he was regularly being held before he'd taken possession and it's hard to play defensively when you've got players denying you space - you don't have to work hard on shutting down your opponent when he doesn't move more than 5m away from you

The role he plays at EP should be different to the one he plays at West coast because he's a complimentary mid at AFL but should be a main driver at WAFL level

So he's focusing on what he needs to do to win his spot back and playing with that in mind even though it's arguably to the detriment of EP.

Multiply that over a dozen or so players and you have a side who's focus is what they're doing individually and playing a style of game that doesn't translate from one level to the other

When they run into a well drilled WAFL side the structure falls apart like it did last night
 
Keys said:
Sheed was very good last week against Claremont but less so last night

He is also a perfect example of problems with the alignment and why EP are struggling

Simpson has said more than once that it Sheeds work off the ball that's keeping him out of the side so naturally he's going to be wanting to work on that aspect of his game

Problem is at WAFL level he should be playing as an offensive mid and opposing sides treat him as such. Subiaco put a lot of work into him at stoppages and he was regularly being held before he'd taken possession and it's hard to play defensively when you've got players denying you space - you don't have to work hard on shutting down your opponent when he doesn't move more than 5m away from you

The role he plays at EP should be different to the one he plays at West coast because he's a complimentary mid at AFL but should be a main driver at WAFL level

So he's focusing on what he needs to do to win his spot back and playing with that in mind even though it's arguably to the detriment of EP.

Multiply that over a dozen or so players and you have a side who's focus is what they're doing individually and playing a style of game that doesn't translate from one level to the other

When they run into a well drilled WAFL side the structure falls apart like it did last night
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Very interesting. Thanks for the perspective. Makes sense, but very frustrating, seems like there is no real clear answer as to how to fix it.
 

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The problem with the rules for the alignment is that EP are only permitted to draft from their zone - which is the weakest im the competition. The retirements of Moss,Lee, Wulffy, Johnson etc means the club has lost a huge amount of experience - which has been replaced with kids who have been playing in an underage competition. As has been said before, the injuries the Eagles have suffered has had a huge impact on the personnel available to the Royals.
 
royalsfan said:
The problem with the rules for the alignment is that EP are only permitted to draft from their zone - which is the weakest im the competition. The retirements of Moss,Lee, Wulffy, Johnson etc means the club has lost a huge amount of experience - which has been replaced with kids who have been playing in an underage competition. As has been said before, the injuries the Eagles have suffered has had a huge impact on the personnel available to the Royals.
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From the outside this doesn't sound like professional football!
 
Barney44 said:
Over 3 years in and is Barrass the only player that has been developed into a regular 22 player under this alignment model?
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very good point and I think mature top up trades have prevented the younger draftees development from being fast tracked into the AFL ..
Guys like Cripps ,Hill, Wellingham , Yeo , Redden ,Jetta ,Vardy ,Giles etcetc have prevented that and stymied development..
 

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