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UpForGrabs said:
Others who played for two teams in the one year:

Archie Duda (Perth & Subiaco - 1980)
Peter Spencer (Subiaco & Claremont - 1987)
Chris Stasinowsky (West Perth & South Fremantle - 1982)
Leigh Brenton (East Fremantle & Swan Districts - 1983)

I'm sure there are others, just trying to figure them out at the moment.
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Mick Johns & Ken Marshall (Subiaco & Swan Districts- 1983)
Derek Kickett (West Perth & Claremont- 1986)
Steve Malaxos (Claremont & East Fremantle- 1991)
Ryan Turnbull (Claremont & East Perth- 1991)
There were plenty who swapped clubs mid season during the 70's & 80's it doesnt happen too often nowadays.
Peter Spencer moved from Subiaco to Claremont in 86 upg, & he was back playing at East Perth in 87.
 
Re Murray Couper you are correct UFG, also collected the Prendergast Medal in the same year. Think he may have been reported playing league which mustn't have impacted the ressies award!!
 
emuboy said:
The 306-point turnaround must surely be some sort of record at this level of football for West Perth. How does one go from a 210 point win one week, to losing by 96 points the next week? It would be interesting to find out if any larger turnarounds have happened in the SANFL or VFA.
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Here are the top three in each category I found for the VFA:

VFA NEGATIVE FORM REVERSALS

-320
Rd 16, 1986 - Williamstown won 347-32 v Camberwell
Rd 17, 1986 - Williamstown lost 94-99 v Frankston

-295
Rd 18, 1984 - Brunswick won 268-22 v Kilsyth
SF 2, 1984 - Brunswick lost 84-133 v Box Hill

-292
Rd 14, 1986 - Box Hill won 236-14 v Berwick
Rd 15, 1986 - Box Hill lost 71-141 v Prahran

VFA POSITIVE FORM REVERSALS

+300
Rd 18, 1985 - Port Melbourne lost 39-141 v Coburg
Rd 01, 1986 - Port Melbourne won 272-74 v Camberwell

+299
Rd 15, 1984 - Box Hill lost 65-110 v Brunswick
Rd 16, 1984 - Box Hill won 267-13 v Sunshine

-283
Rd 18, 1941 - Port Melbourne lost 87-98 v Northcote
Rd 19, 1941 - Port Melbourne won 287-15 v Sandringham
 
VFA1877 said:
Here are the top three in each category I found for the VFA:

VFA NEGATIVE FORM REVERSALS

-320
Rd 16, 1986 - Williamstown won 347-32 v Camberwell
Rd 17, 1986 - Williamstown lost 94-99 v Frankston

-295
Rd 18, 1984 - Brunswick won 268-22 v Kilsyth
SF 2, 1984 - Brunswick lost 84-133 v Box Hill

-292
Rd 14, 1986 - Box Hill won 236-14 v Berwick
Rd 15, 1986 - Box Hill lost 71-141 v Prahran

VFA POSITIVE FORM REVERSALS

+300
Rd 18, 1985 - Port Melbourne lost 39-141 v Coburg
Rd 01, 1986 - Port Melbourne won 272-74 v Camberwell

+299
Rd 15, 1984 - Box Hill lost 65-110 v Brunswick
Rd 16, 1984 - Box Hill won 267-13 v Sunshine

-283
Rd 18, 1941 - Port Melbourne lost 87-98 v Northcote
Rd 19, 1941 - Port Melbourne won 287-15 v Sandringham
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Gee - bit of a gap between the best and worst teams in 1986!
 

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A bit of premiership info:

Code: 
MINOR PREMIERS WHO MISSED GRAND FINAL
 
1906: South Fremantle
1915: South Fremantle
1932: East Fremantle
1936: East Fremantle
1943: Subiaco
1955: South Fremantle
1963: Perth
1979: Claremont
1983: South Fremantle
2001: Claremont
2005: Subiaco

Code: 
PREMIERS FROM FOURTH SPOT
 
1936: East Perth
1963: Swan Districts
1964: Claremont
1965: East Fremantle
 
RUNNERS-UP FROM FOURTH SPOT
 
1926: Subiaco
1933: Subiaco
1942: Claremont
1943: Swan Districts
1959: Subiaco
1975: South Fremantle
2000: East Fremantle
2008: Swan Districts
Code: 
PREMIERS WITH < 100%
 
1924: Subiaco (93.9%)
1965: East Fremantle (96.64%)
1936: East Perth (97.15%)
 
Some more goalkicking stuff. I asked the question in the stats thread some time ago about what was the most number of teammates who kicked at least 1 goal a year, or 10, 20, 30 etc. Here's the WAFL version from 1929-2011. Have left this year out as it's not over yet, but will update later if needed.

Code: 
Gls   Pls   Cb    Year    Players & Goals
---------------------------------------------------------------
100    1    S     2008    Smith 110 + 64 other instances
90     2    CL    1982    Ralph 115, Malaxos 91
80     2    CL    1981    Ralph 127, Malaxos 82
       2    CL    1982    Ralph 115, Malaxos 91
70     2    EF    1950    Prince 90, Conway 72
       2    P     1977    Wiley 75, Bosustow 70
       2    P     1978    Couper 82, Wiley 72
       2    SF    1981    Monteath 78, Hardie 75
       2    CL    1981    Ralph 127, Malaxos 82
       2    CL    1982    Ralph 115, Malaxos 91
60     3    P     1977    Wiley 75, Bosustow 70, Couper 68
       3    P     1978    Couper 82, Wiley 72, Bosustow 61
       3    CL    1981    Ralph 127, Malaxos 82, Farmer 67
       3    SF    1981    Monteath 78, Hardie 75, Carter 66
       3    S     1986    Sells 75, Breman 64, Dean 63
50     4    CL    1938    O'Reilly 65, Compton 53, Hopkins 51, Serjeant 51
       4    P     1977    Wiley 75, Bosustow 70, Couper 68, Mitsopoulos 57
       4    CL    1981    Ralph 127, Malaxos 82, Farmer 67, P Krakouer 50
40     6    SF    1950    Naylor 57, Reilly 54, Carbon 47, Marsh 41, Western 40, Green 40
       6    CL    1979    Uncle 59, Ditchburn 51, Moss 50, P Krakouer 46, Malaxos 44, J Krakouer 41
30     8    WP    1977    Adamson 47, Northcott 40, Fong 36, Watling 33, Valli 32, Wilson 31, Hendricks 30, Hillier 30
20    11    EP    1976    Bygraves 65, Spencer 37, Duda 35, Michalczyk 31, Hamilton 29, Webster 29, Quartermaine 28, Verstegen 27, Malarkey 25, Levitzke 25, Kickett 20
      11    WP    1977    Adamson 47, Northcott 40, Fong 36, Watling 33, Valli 32, Wilson 31, Hendricks 30, Hillier 30, Sheridan 29, Day 27, McEvoy 22
      11    SD    1982    Richardson 69, Holmes 43, Blackaby 35, Sartori 35, Baker 32, Boucher 35, K Narkle 24, P Narkle 24, Nowotny, 24, Sidebottom 24, Melrose 22
10    16    SD    1979    Olsen 84, Beasley 46, Williams 41, P Narkle 24, K Narkle 10, Neesham 18, Holmes 18, Nowotny 12, Casey 11, Hemming 11, Chidlow 11, Holden 11, Smith 11, Thorn 10, Boucher 10
      16    SD    1980    Beasley 97, Williams 52, Hoyer 41, Melrose 34, Richardson 32, Smith 26, Neesham 25, Blackaby 20, P Narkle 19, Nowotny 17, Holmes 14, K Narkle 13, Fitzgerald 11, Boucher 10, Hemming 10, Sidebottom 10
      16    SD    1983    Werner 41, Baker 38, P Narkle 33, Shine 31, K Narkle 30, Holmes 29, Kimberley 26, Sartori 26, Nowotny 21, Marshall 19, Boucher 19, Smith 17, Johns 15, Langsford 11, Blackaby 11, Kenny 10
      16    EF    1985    Lockyer 71, Waterson 55, Peake 31, Wrensted 30, Wilson 29, Alexander 27, Browning 24, Mainwaring 17, Lester-Smith 17, Jones 16, Bushell 16, Neesham 14, Green 14, Turco 14, Regan 12, Rankin 10
      16    S     2006    Mapleston 57, Larkins 50, Broadhurst 47, Pickett 31, Hall 29, Schofield 19, Robbins 18, Broughton 17, Smith 16, Cossom 15, Hayes 15, Haynes 14, Priddis 13, Ridley 13, Adamson-Holmes 10, Keevers 10
      16    SF    2006    Hewitt 61, Siegert 24, Murphy 24, White 22, Webb 21, Sampi 19, McGrath 18, Ugle 17, K Hams 15, Collard 15, A Hams 14, Jones 14, Adams 14, North 13, Bourke 13, Gaspar 11
1     43    EF    2010
 
VFA1877 said:
Here are the top three in each category I found for the VFA:

VFA NEGATIVE FORM REVERSALS

-320
Rd 16, 1986 - Williamstown won 347-32 v Camberwell
Rd 17, 1986 - Williamstown lost 94-99 v Frankston

-295
Rd 18, 1984 - Brunswick won 268-22 v Kilsyth
SF 2, 1984 - Brunswick lost 84-133 v Box Hill

-292
Rd 14, 1986 - Box Hill won 236-14 v Berwick
Rd 15, 1986 - Box Hill lost 71-141 v Prahran

VFA POSITIVE FORM REVERSALS

+300
Rd 18, 1985 - Port Melbourne lost 39-141 v Coburg
Rd 01, 1986 - Port Melbourne won 272-74 v Camberwell

+299
Rd 15, 1984 - Box Hill lost 65-110 v Brunswick
Rd 16, 1984 - Box Hill won 267-13 v Sunshine

-283
Rd 18, 1941 - Port Melbourne lost 87-98 v Northcote
Rd 19, 1941 - Port Melbourne won 287-15 v Sandringham
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Wow, my head is spinning at these scores. It shows the gap (for the most part) between the good and bad VFA teams of the 1980s.
 
Am busy going through and entering scores pre-1898 and found this doozy:

From Round 5, 1896 until Round 8, 1896 - West Perth went the following:

Round | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | T
\5|6.0|7.0|8.0|9.0|54
\6|0.0|1.0|2.0|2.2|14
\7|0.2|0.5|0.7|0.7|7
\8|0.1|0.5|0.5|0.5|5

In their next match, they failed to score a goal in the first quarter, before getting on board in the second.

All this means that West Perth had 7 successive quarters where they failed to kick a behind, followed by 10 successive quarters where they failed to kick a goal.
 
UpForGrabs said:
Am busy going through and entering scores pre-1898 and found this doozy:

From Round 5, 1896 until Round 8, 1896 - West Perth went the following:

Round | Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | T
\5|6.0|7.0|8.0|9.0|54
\6|0.0|1.0|2.0|2.2|14
\7|0.2|0.5|0.7|0.7|7
\8|0.1|0.5|0.5|0.5|5

In their next match, they failed to score a goal in the first quarter, before getting on board in the second.

All this means that West Perth had 7 successive quarters where they failed to kick a behind, followed by 10 successive quarters where they failed to kick a goal.
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Also it seems they kicked as many goals in Round 5 Q1 as they did in their next 17 quarters combined.
 
SJ said:
Also it seems they kicked as many goals in Round 5 Q1 as they did in their next 17 quarters combined.
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Amazing isn't it?

Not sure how it was for the VFA back then, and I think it was the same in the SANFL's early days but up to 1897 it seems as though only goals mattered in determining the winner of each match, so you have the strange occurrences where teams would 'draw' where in fact one team today would have won by 10 points or more, or even the instance that I saw last night (but have forgotten for the moment) where a team actually scored a higher total than its opposition, but still lost because it scored fewer goals.

Crazy.
 
Only because I'm bored/insane, I've started entering Reserve grade scores. How's this for an odd day at the office for Swan Districts in 1980?

SD: 4.6 - 4.7 - 19.7 - 24.23 (167)
P: 4.2 - 5.5 - 7.7 - 12.7 (79)

Their quarter by quarter breakdown?

4.6 - 0.1 - 15.0 - 5.16

Let's hope there was some wind involved!
 
UpForGrabs said:
Only because I'm bored/insane, I've started entering Reserve grade scores. How's this for an odd day at the office for Swan Districts in 1980?

SD: 4.6 - 4.7 - 19.7 - 24.23 (167)
P: 4.2 - 5.5 - 7.7 - 12.7 (79)

Their quarter by quarter breakdown?

4.6 - 0.1 - 15.0 - 5.16

Let's hope there was some wind involved!
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Perth kicked the same or more goals in three quarters, yet lost the match by 12.
 

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emuboy said:
No period as even as this can be found in the AFL/VFL, SANFL or VFA/VFL, with sides going flagless for decades, some droughts continuing to this day. It has never been repeated in the WAFL either; Perth's 1978 Grand Final is the last time the Demons made the GF, and they have appeared in just 3 finals series since then, the most recent of which was 1997. West Perth and East Perth also experienced long droughts after these flags, with West Perth waiting 20 years until they won the 1995 GF, and East Perth 22 years until they broke through in 2000. South Fremantle lost quite a few Grand Finals after 1980, before winning the 1997 premiership; while more recently Swan Districts experienced a 20 year flag drought; and powerful teams Claremont and East Fremantle have not won premierships since 1996 & 1998 respectively. New team Peel Thunder has been uncompetitive since entering the WAFL for the 1997 season, and have never come close to making the finals.
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Actually, in the SANFL from 1927 to 1935, an exact parallel can be seen:
  • West Adelaide won in 1927 over North Adelaide
  • Port Adelaide, after kicking their lowest post-1919 score in the 1928 second semi, rebounded to beat Norwood in the challenge final
    • This is one of only two times in any of the VFL/AFL, SANFL, WAFL or VFA/VFL that a season's lowest score has been kicked in a second semi final
    • The other, ironically, was by Norwood against the Magpies sixty years later when they kicked 2-5 (17) in a gale-force wind
  • Norwood rebounded to win in 1929 after losing the second semi to West Adelaide in that club's last final until 1941
  • North Adelaide spearheaded by champion goalkicker Ken Farmer won back-to-back in 1930 and 1931
  • Sturt, who had won in 1926, won with a largely new side in 1932 by beating North.
  • West Torrens set a tone for a series of meteoric rises by winning the 1933 flag over Norwood only three years after their first wooden spoon
  • Cinderella team Glenelg under the leadership of veteran spearhead Jack Owens won in 1934 agaisnt Port in a classic after having never finished above sixth beforehand.
    • The Tigers were to be one of only two teams in a major Australian football league (Subiaco in 1915/1916 is the other) to go from first to last in consecutive seasons
  • South Adelaide, who had not played in the major round since 1923, rose from last to first to down the Magpies by nine points in 1935
    • It's notable that Port Adelaide, after having lost the 1934 and 1935 grand finals with more scoring shots, became in 1936 the only team to win a SANFL Grand Final with fewer goals.
What's notable is that, owing to the admission of financially unviable Hawthorn and North Melbourne, this very period in the history of the VFL/AFL ranks as the most uneven, with only seven teams playing in the finals and the thirty-six finals places being almost entirely monopolised by Richmond (nine), Collingwood (eight), Carlton (eight), Geelong (five) and latterly South Melbourne (four).
 
UpForGrabs said:
  • Best season in front of goals was in 1966 (what a year he had!) when he kicked 51.34. Followed that up with 48.43 in 1967.
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Interesting to see what Cable did in detail in the 1967 game against East Fremantle (Round 15, I think) where Old Easts were scoreless between the first ten and last ten minutes. (I often note this game when discussing the lowest modern scores in football history). East Fremantle were declining very rapidly in the middle 1960s (in 1965 they set a record for the most losses by an eventual premier equalled in major football competitions only by Adelaide in 1998) but even so keeping them scoreless for all but twenty minutes of a game must reflect a lot either on Perth’s defence or their on-ball division making sure the ball never got near East Fremantle’s goal.

Have you put up a table of the lowest post-1919 WAFL scores anywhere on this site, for that matter? I did so on the Wikipedia site concerning AFL records for the simple reason of avoiding having all the lowest scores from very early years.
 
mianfei said:
Interesting to see what Cable did in detail in the 1967 game against East Fremantle (Round 15, I think) where Old Easts were scoreless between the first ten and last ten minutes. (I often note this game when discussing the lowest modern scores in football history).
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I don't have anything more detailed than the fact that Cable kicked 4.3 for the match.
mianfei said:
Have you put up a table of the lowest post-1919 WAFL scores anywhere on this site, for that matter? I did so on the Wikipedia site concerning AFL records for the simple reason of avoiding having all the lowest scores from very early years.
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Here you go:

Lowest WAFL scores - 1919-2012


Year | Round | TEAM | OPP| Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total| RESULT

\1920|13|S|EP|0.0|0.2|0.2|1.2|8|-12
\1945|15|C|P|0.0|0.0|1.2|1.3|9|-126
\2003|20|EP|WP|0.1|0.5|0.5|0.9|9|-46
\1944|15|SF|EP|0.0|0.0|1.1|1.4|10|-113
\1956|3|EP|P|0.1|0.3|0.4|1.4|10|-62
\1919|4|WP|EP|0.1|0.3|1.4|1.5|11|-55
\1954|14|S|EF|1.4|1.5|1.5|1.5|11|-56
\1944|9|SF|SD||||2.1|13|-108
\1952|15|P|SF|0.0|0.4|0.5|1.7|13|-128
\1995|13|C|WP|1.1|1.3|1.5|1.7|13|-61
\1996|11|C|SD|0.1|0.3|1.5|1.7|13|-73
\1944|8|SF|EP|1.0|2.1|2.3|2.3|15|-103
\1944|13|SF|P||1.2||2.3|15|-108
\1919|13|P|EP|1.1|1.2|1.3|2.4|16|-51
\1967|15|EF|P|0.2|0.2|0.2|2.4|16|-90
\2002|15|PT|S|0.2|0.4|0.8|1.10|16|-110
\1997|1|P|SD|0.3|0.3|1.3|2.5|17|-58
\2006|5|EF|S|1.0|1.4|1.5|2.5|17|-112
\1920|1|SF|S|1.1|2.3|2.3|2.7|19|-75
\1921|5|P|EF|0.3|0.4|0.6|2.7|19|-5
\1926|9|SF|EF|0.0|0.1|1.7|2.7|19|-49
\1999|4|EP|S|1.1|1.1|3.1|3.1|19|-130

 
UpForGrabs,

familiar list to me, but still some notes:
  1. East Perth’s 1-4 is the lowest score by an eventual premier team in any major football competition, including pre-1919! The weather was so bad that the games finished in complete darkness, and it’s notable that the VFL had the same situation that very day of May 12 (one of the most memorable footy days as I see it, mind you)
  2. Perth’s 1-7 apparently was very lucky: their only goal, one minute into the last quarter, barely got the distance from outside 50 on a perfect day.
    1. Bernie Naylor’s 11-5 (71) for South Fremantlein that game totalled:
      1. twice as many scoring shots as Perth
      2. five and a half times as many points
Are these the greatest margin or ratio by which one player has outscored an opponent?

The lowest score by Swan Districts is 2-8 (20) against East Perth in late 1968. That was the last score of fewer than three goals in the WAFL until 1995.
  1. What is:
    1. the lowest score against Claremont since it entered the WAFL in 1926?
    2. the lowest score by West Perth since 1920?
 

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mianfei said:
UpForGrabs,

familiar list to me, but still some notes:
  1. East Perth’s 1-4 is the lowest score by an eventual premier team in any major football competition, including pre-1919! The weather was so bad that the games finished in complete darkness, and it’s notable that the VFL had the same situation that very day of May 12 (one of the most memorable footy days as I see it, mind you)
  2. Perth’s 1-7 apparently was very lucky: their only goal, one minute into the last quarter, barely got the distance from outside 50 on a perfect day.
    1. Bernie Naylor’s 11-5 (71) for South Fremantlein that game totalled:
      1. twice as many scoring shots as Perth
      2. five and a half times as many points
Are these the greatest margin or ratio by which one player has outscored an opponent?


The lowest score by Swan Districts is 2-8 (20) against East Perth in late 1968. That was the last score of fewer than three goals in the WAFL until 1995.
  1. What is:
    1. the lowest score against Claremont since it entered the WAFL in 1926?
    2. the lowest score by West Perth since 1920?
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Will let you know tonight hopefully (all this stuff is on my home computer).
 
OK mianfei - here you go.

Lowest West Perth scores since 1920 (inclusive)

Year | Round | TEAM | OPP| Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total| RESULT

\1925|1SF|WP|EF|0.0|1.4|2.5|2.9|21|-37
\1921|9|WP|EF|1.1|1.5|2.7|2.10|22|-46
\1922|11|WP|EP|0.1|1.1|3.4|3.5|23|-33
\1928|21|WP|EF|2.2|2.4|3.4|3.5|23|-88
\2000|19|WP|EP|2.0|2.2|3.4|3.5|23|-12
\1920|5|WP|EP|1.2|1.2|1.4|3.6|24|-39
\1996|17|WP|C|1.0|2.1|2.3|3.6|24|-67
\1920|15|WP|EP|2.0|2.0|2.0|4.1|25|-57
\1950|8|WP|C|2.1|3.6|3.7|3.8|26|-5
\2010|16|WP|SF|0.2|0.3|2.7|3.9|27|-64


Lowest scores conceded by Claremont (1926-2012)

Year | Round | TEAM | OPP| Q1 | Q2 | Q3 | Q4 | Total| RESULT


\2003|17|PT|C|1.0|1.1|1.2|3.2|20|-177
\1964|11|SD|C|0.2|0.2|2.3|3.3|21|-42
\1996|17|WP|C|1.0|2.1|2.3|3.6|24|-67
\1950|8|WP|C|2.1|3.6|3.7|3.8|26|-5
\1944|14|SF|C||||4.3|27|-108
\2004|16|P|C|1.1|2.2|3.3|4.4|28|-158
\1942|10|P|C||||3.12|30|-35
\1989|16|WP|C|0.3|0.5|3.9|3.12|30|-93
\1942|19|WP|C||||4.7|31|-36
\1951|7|SD|C|1.3|1.4|2.5|4.8|32|-52
\1967|15|WP|C|0.2|2.7|4.8|4.8|32|-56
\2012|19|EF|C|2.2|2.4|4.5|4.8|32|-96


Don't know the answer to the first question (highest ratio of one player outscoring another team). But if I come up with some instances, I'll let you know.
 
“Up for Grabs”,

that 1950 game between Claremont and West Perth was an amazing occurrence. If I’m not misinformed it is the last WAFL game where both teams scored three or fewer goals, and the only case in a major Australian football league between 1928 and 1976?

It’s also amazing that Claremont have never conceded fewer than three goals in a match in eighty-seven years of playing football. Perhaps it reflects the Tigers’ general weakness in the late 1940s, 1950s and 1960s when Perth’s climate was a full fifty percent wetter than it is today whereby three of the five driest May to August seasons have occurred since 2006??
 

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