MRP / Trib. Waite got off

[bigbertha5]

What the hell are you people talking about. He swung his leg back with a force that wouldn't of moved a fly. McGuane didn't even flinch. It probably felt nice if anything.

 

[drusswaylander]

So Waite will be missing this week then?

I think you are asking the wrong questions. A more relevant question would be to ask is, whether or not McGuane is a human ken doll? Barely a flicker despite this malicious kick

 

[blue gunslinger]

The rest of the Carlton team should be lined up to kick Waite in the balls as a reminder to what an absolute c&^khead he is doing this sort of stuff.

Really, just not acceptable.

Should be suspended internally if he does something similar for the rest of the year.

agree - track record is appauling and he must wisen up

 

[The Goon]

every video that I have seen of it shows that Waite was shoved hard enough to over-balance him and everytime that I have been over balanced like that, my leg has gone backwards to try and help me maintain my balance.

I cant see whats behind me, and if I accidently happen to kick someone in the nuts with the back of my thigh... tough.

Nah ... that wasn't overbalancing - he definitely tried to kick him in the nuts. Got away with it though, probably because of the retaliating punch. MRP probably just said to themselves no harm done, we'll let it slide for both.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

So kicking your leg back isn't a dog act, but blocking an opponent for a teammate is. I guess we can now label any Carlton player who blocks for Judd at a stoppage a dog or any forward who creates space for a teammate by blocking is also a dog.

Carlton don't block for Judd.

Penalties are about right I think. McGuane's follow up punch to Waite's back had more force than the back heel. It was stupid, but hardly a reportable offence.

Rance's 'block' was worth what he got. Forwards may put their body in the way for a fellow teammate to get some space on the lead, but Rance stepped off the line he was running to step into Waite, who was 40m off the ball and understandably wasn't expecting contact. He got him high and hitting him wasn't necessary, he got what he deserved.

 

[parrot]

Nah ... that wasn't overbalancing -.....

A back-heel push. He had no idea what he was making contact with, unless he had eyes in the back of his head. He was trying to push away McGuane who was punching him in the back at the time.

 

[Team Mo']

Jeez Rance is unlucky.

Waite clearly faked the concussion. The Doctor who diagnosed him doesn't care about his credibility. We didn't want our best forward for the last 3 quarters. We love subbing in a midfielder for a KP.



Don't know what Richmond supporters were expecting. Knocking someone out 40 metres of the ball when he's not looking?



The only thing I thought might give Waite a week is his bad record. Other than that nothing in the McGuane incident.

 

[serenityNow]

Rance harshly done by? are people serious? Should've got 4-5 weeks.

Waite a little lucky too, With his record i was expecting a week....but glad he wont miss any.

 

[parrot]

Richmond supporters are just upset because Preseason is over.

 

[Blueboys7]

Who cares what the Richmond supporters think.

All is good in the world -

Waite got off.
We beat Richnond again.
Rance got 4 weeks (he's shit anyway).

 

[bluepride2]

Carlton Premiership Player, which is the highest honour you can achieve in the game. Show some respect.

Nothing nasty in the Waite incident at all, and got to love how the news stations show the 2-3 seconds of Waite kicking someone which made it look like a premeditated strike when he was clearly off balance a few seconds before it.

Didnt think he would get off, simply because I think the MRP does not like us at all .

 

[Silvagnis]

Martin Blake tweeted that Waite was lucky, but Rance could appeal because he wasn't looking as he collided.

http://twitter.com/#!/martinj_blake

 

[_RT_]

Jeez Rance is unlucky.

Waite clearly faked the concussion. The Doctor who diagnosed him doesn't care about his credibility. We didn't want our best forward for the last 3 quarters. We love subbing in a midfielder for a KP.



Don't know what Richmond supporters were expecting. Knocking someone out 40 metres of the ball when he's not looking?



The only thing I thought might give Waite a week is his bad record. Other than that nothing in the McGuane incident.

So given Waite has such a 'severe' concussion we can all look forward to him missing this weeks game.

I'm not suggesting that Waite didn't suffer a concussion, just that he was actually knocked out or as parrot put it king hit. If Rances actions are considered a king hit I'd hate to see what Rhys Jones swinging arms to the head are labbeled as. Knowing parrot they would probably be called love taps or good solid hip and shoulders.

 

[Dramoth]

Pretty sure with the new concussion rules coming in Waite will be missing next week. They're being really careful with them now.

Whether he meant to kick him in the balls or not it doesn't matter, he tried to kick him, that's just disgusting and shouldn't be on in any sport. At the same time, McGuane should've been cited with at the very least rough conduct or striking for his return. The lack of consistency in the MRP is a joke.

He didnt try and kick him in the balls. If he had tried to kick him in the balls, Mcguane would have been rolling on the ground trying to find what was left of them. The whole incident would have been reviews from several angles that we didnt see and would have been related as normal push and shove in the course of the game and dismissed as incidental.

Waite was running back towards goal when he got hit, yes he looked back over his shoulder to see where the ball was, but its hardly Rances fault that he ran into him. As I said the same sort of thing that happens every week where defenders either block a forwards run or a forward blocks a defender so a teammate can get free.

Waite was running forward towards the ball with McGuane in front of him. Rance was also running towards the ball, swerved off his line as McGuane steered Waite off his line. As Rance was coming from behind, he had a cheap shot at Waite and hit him hard enough and high enough to knock him off his feet and give him a minor concussion.

There was no sign of Waite running into Rance as Rance was behind Waite so I dont know where you think that Rance was blocking a forward run.

 

[Silvagnis]

Nah ... that wasn't overbalancing - he definitely tried to kick him in the nuts. Got away with it though, probably because of the retaliating punch. MRP probably just said to themselves no harm done, we'll let it slide for both.

How can you intentionally kick someone in the nuts with your back to them?

Waite's intent was to make contact with a back leg, but not strike him in the nuts.

The intent and force has to be there for it to be a report that deserved a suspension.

I suspect guns is short on shut eye with his three kids.

The big fella has been way off the mark in recent weeks with his calls.

 

[blueboy25]

Waite's action was foolish but did not deserve weeks for it.

In regards to Rance's 4 weeks, Richmond supporters have to realise that the AFL are very strong on protecting the head. Us carlton supporters know it all to well with Waite getting suspended twice last year for shepherds/blocks that caught the opposition player high.

Hawthorn supporters know all about it as Buddy was suspended a few times last year for the same thing.

If rance had collected waites shoulder then there is no problem, he didn't and Waite was knocked out so he cops his punishment.

 

[bluepride2]

If Rances actions are considered a king hit I'd hate to see what Rhys Jones swinging arms to the head are labbeled as. Knowing parrot they would probably be called love taps or good solid hip and shoulders.

Pretty silly argument, Woosha would have never got past his first game if the same rules applied.

Different era, Different game you cant compare the players actions.

 

[parrot]

So given Waite has such a 'severe' concussion we can all look forward to him missing this weeks game.

I'm not suggesting that Waite didn't suffer a concussion, just that he was actually knocked out or as parrot put it king hit. If Rances actions are considered a king hit I'd hate to see what Rhys Jones swinging arms to the head are labbeled as. Knowing parrot they would probably be called love taps or good solid hip and shoulders.

There's no point whining.

Why should you care what penalty Waite gets or doesn't get anyway? Is it a bitterness thing? And even though Rance is suspended, you have to admit he's no world-beater, and it might be a good opportunity to try someone else anyway. So there's really no point in stressing yourself over this. Perhaps you're looking for a distraction after Thursday night's result.

 

[Dramoth]

Nah ... that wasn't overbalancing - he definitely tried to kick him in the nuts. Got away with it though, probably because of the retaliating punch. MRP probably just said to themselves no harm done, we'll let it slide for both.

whinging losers much?

Your boy Rance gets rubbed out for a deliberate act of violence and you want someone from our side rubbed out for accidental contact.

 

[Team Mo']

So given Waite has such a 'severe' concussion we can all look forward to him missing this weeks game.

Are we arguing the degree of Waite's concussion? Seriously; whether he was the lowest grade of concussion or not. Fact is; he was still concussed. I know your trying to get an argument out of our board but quite frankly we don't car what you think so go and whinge/bitch on your own...

I'm not suggesting that Waite didn't suffer a concussion, just that he was actually knocked out or as parrot put it king hit. If Rances actions are considered a king hit I'd hate to see what Rhys Jones swinging arms to the head are labbeled as. Knowing parrot they would probably be called love taps or good solid hip and shoulders.

Fail to see what this has to do with Jarrad Waite in 2011.

Are you going to use hits from an Ice Hockey match or 1974 Baseball brawl next? Because they are about as relevant as David Rhys-Jones is to the modern game...

(Didn't say king hit either)

 

[The Goon]

How can you intentionally kick someone in the nuts with your back to them?

Waite's intent was to make contact with a back leg, but not strike him in the nuts.

I agree that he was probably going for the shin, but he definitely kept going with the back-swing, and I reckon he knew where his foot was by then. Did he deserve the benefit of the doubt? Probably.

 

[Team Mo']

I agree that he was probably going for the shin, but he definitely kept going with the back-swing, and I reckon he knew where his foot was by then. Did he deserve the benefit of the doubt? Probably.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the aim of his kick. Laughable that you think he could "pull back" once he realized his foot was past the back leg. One he wasn't looking so therefore had no depth perception. Two; the difference between the back leg and balls is literally a couple of cm's when you throw in the angle of the foot and length away from his body. Three; once he "realized" where his foot was how do you expect him to quickly stop in time. I'd say it would be less then half a second to realize; another half a second to try and stop and another half a second to actually stop the force.

Sorry but a laughable claim....

 

[The Goon]

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you on the aim of his kick. Laughable that you think he could "pull back" once he realized his foot was past the back leg. One he wasn't looking so therefore had no depth perception. Two; the difference between the back leg and balls is literally a couple of cm's when you throw in the angle of the foot and length away from his body. Three; once he "realized" where his foot was how do you expect him to quickly stop in time. I'd say it would be less then half a second to realize; another half a second to try and stop and another half a second to actually stop the force.

Sorry but a laughable claim....

Well, can we agree it was 'reckless'

 

[_RT_]

Are we arguing the degree of Waite's concussion? Seriously; whether he was the lowest grade of concussion or not. Fact is; he was still concussed. I know your trying to get an argument out of our board but quite frankly we don't car what you think so go and whinge/bitch on your own...

Not denying that there was solid contact between the 2 and no doubt Waite suffered some form of concussion, just annoyed with the way some of your posters are suggesting that Waite was knocked out when that didn't actually happen.

Fail to see what this has to do with Jarrad Waite in 2011.

Are you going to use hits from an Ice Hockey match or 1974 Baseball brawl next? Because they are about as relevant as David Rhys-Jones is to the modern game...

(Didn't say king hit either)

Was referring to parrots claim that Rance delivered a king hit when again that clearly didn't happen. As such was using the Rhys Jones king hits of the past as an example of what a king hit is.

 

[Team Mo']

Not denying that there was solid contact between the 2 and no doubt Waite suffered some form of concussion, just annoyed with the way some of your posters are suggesting that Waite was knocked out when that didn't actually happen.

Don't think it matters. Hit off the ball with no right of reply gets no sympathy for me.

Was referring to parrots claim that Rance delivered a king hit when again that clearly didn't happen. As such was using the Rhys Jones king hits of the past as an example of what a king hit is.

King hit can mean different things. Can mean KO is boxing or can mean hit from behind in a street fight.

Don't think it was a the either. Waite not expecting any contact didn't help Rance either. If Waite didn't turn his head before he ran back then he may have braced himself and therefore taken less of the brunt that Rance gave him.