Wallace 22.

[Nightwolf]

Who is your 4th-12th mids?

As you say; Cogs, Johnson & Brown are class.

Deapth includes; Bowden, Campbell, Newman, Hyde, Rodan, Krakouer, Hartigan, Jackson, Tambing, Deledio and a host of kids.

Granted, you might pip us at this stage but Im happy with ours. We may be young but there is abit of potential.

For the record I down Richmond would trade a Tuck or Hyde for a Koulouriotis or Wojcinski. I relise you dont think much of them but both a solid players and been top shelf thus far this pre-season.

Koulouriotis > Tuck and Hyde....

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Let's face it .......

Geelong > Richmond

end of story.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Who is your 4th-12th mids?

Depends who you put in our top 3.

For me:

1. Ling
2. Kelly
3. Bartel
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4. Ablett
5. Corey
6. Milburn
7. Chapman
8. Tenace
8. Enright
9. Byrnes
10. Riccardi
11. Koula
12. Fumbles Johnson

I've not bothered to put in rookies who might make an impression, but as yet are totally unproven.

We may be young but there is abit of potential.

We had the youngest list in the league last year and made the preliminary final.

Our first choice rotation of Ling, Kelly, Bartel, Ablett and Tenace is a bit younger than your first choice group given Ling is the only player in that group over the age of 21.

No doubt Richmond have potential (that comes with two top 5 draft picks), but at this stage comparing your depth to ours is folly. Wait a few years until newly drafted kids either prove themselves or fail, and then compare.

 

[OneEyedHawk]

Granted, you might pip us at this stage but Im happy with ours. We may be young but there is abit of potential.

Well then why say your midfield is "capable of beating anyone, week in week out". Geelong's midfield is excellent and will only get better but they are certainly not the best in the league. So in fact, you can't beat anybody, week in week out.
Koulouriotis and Wojcinski>>>>>>>>Tuck and Hyde.
By a mile.

 

[Rodion]

Richmond have a history of playing what little good footy they're capable of in Round 1. On top of that, they'll have a score to settle with Brad Ottens.

On paper you wouldn't give Richmond a chance, but games are decided on the oval and not on paper. However, if that starting 22 is accurate the poor old Tiges will be in a lot of trouble.

 

[WestCat]

I reckon Plough will feel field something very similar to;

FB: Chris Newman, Darren Gaspar, Andrew Kellaway
HB: Kane Johnson, Ray Hall, Greg Tivendale
C: Joel Bowden, Mark Coughlan, Mark Chaffey
HF: Nathen Brown, Mathew Richardson, Breet Deledio
FF: Wayne Campbell, Troy Simmonds, Andrew Krakouer
OB: Trent Knobel, Shane Tuck, Chris Hyde
I: Greg Stafford, Richard Tambling, Brent Hartigan, Mark Graham.


Cheers

Geelong Forward Line:
I think Geelong may stretch the Tiger's defence with Playfair, Kingsley and Ottens/King there, even more if Gardiner plays.

Midfield:
I think we have the edge here. Coughlin, Johnson, Brown, Bowden and Campbell are all good players, some are exceptional, but I think Geelonog will use pace in Tenace, Byrnes and Kelly to win here. Campbell is also slowing down, and may not spend much time in the middle. The youngsters are largely unknown, so could pull something out, but this is unlikely against a tough side like Geelong.

Ruck:
I think we have an advantage in the ruck, with King and Ottens against Stafford and Knobel, I rate Stafford, but he is getting on now, and Knobel is nothing special.

Geelong Defence:
Be wary of saying that Scarlett will towel up Simmonds, he kicked 5 last time these 2 played against eah other. The Richmond forward line has some potency in Simmonds, Richo, Brown and Krakouer, but are they up to the task against the best defence in the league. All guns need to fire in this half of the ground if Richmond are to be a chance.

Overall:
Richmond have some talented players, but they need all of them at their best in order to win this match, and I just don't think that will happen. Geelong by 6 goals.

 

[Bentleigh]

Depends who you put in our top 3.

For me:

1. Ling
2. Kelly
3. Bartel
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4. Ablett
5. Corey
6. Milburn
7. Chapman
8. Tenace
8. Enright
9. Byrnes
10. Riccardi
11. Koula
12. Fumbles Johnson

I've not bothered to put in rookies who might make an impression, but as yet are totally unproven.

Going by that Id rate Richmond higher. Ling & Kelly are very good players but Id prefer Johnson & Coughlan. As good as young Ablett is I rate Doctor Pink as one of the best going around. I rate Bartel very highly. Bowden in top form (2nd half of last season) is fairly special. Thus im happy with our top 4 mids and rate them right up there with the leagues best.

As for deapth I wouldnt swap our crop; Jackson, Newman, Hartigan etc. but Im sure you fell the same way for your own club.

We had the youngest list in the league last year and made the preliminary final.

Our first choice rotation of Ling, Kelly, Bartel, Ablett and Tenace is a bit younger than your first choice group given Ling is the only player in that group over the age of 21.

No doubt Richmond have potential (that comes with two top 5 draft picks), but at this stage comparing your depth to ours is folly. Wait a few years until newly drafted kids either prove themselves or fail, and then compare.

Geelongs got a great young list. Ling is only 24, Bartel & Kelly 21, Ablett 20.

Whilst Richmonds midfeild core is more mature; Johnson 27, Brown 26, Bowden 26 we, like Geelong have a very young future midfield.

I expect as time draws on Brown will stick to the flank. Plough has already stated he belevies Brown needs to play 60% forward flank where he reckon he will win AA selection. Johnson is already being touted for some serious time up on a back flank while Bowden found his carrer best form at CHB and is a true utlity.

What Richmond fans are excited about is the next generation. Cogs is still 22. He will be at the club for the next decade; future captain. Like you say; Tambling and Deledio should go alright in the gut in a couple years. Lets hope Kelly & Bartel like or dare I say it an inprovment. What really excites Richmond fan is not only these 2 boys the pleathora of potential in the likes of Jackson, Hartigan, Gilmour, Raines, Roach, Polo, Meyer and co. Even some of the 3rd/4th/5th players look similar to the Doggies B players in Newman, Tuck, Hyde etc. seem to be comming of age.

Certainly looking forward to the future.

Both clubs are young and promising. Geelong are a few years ahead in the midfeild . While Richmond current core will take up other roles (Brown forward flank, Johnson back flank) etc. your future midfield is already there while ours is a a couple years behind.

Hope that made some sence.

 

[Bentleigh]

Geelong Forward Line:
I think Geelong may stretch the Tiger's defence with Playfair, Kingsley and Ottens/King there, even more if Gardiner plays.

Schultz would have been handy. Plough seems to think Ray Hall will hold Ottens. Can see him kicking a bag now ( ).

Gaspar is a class player. Whispers are he looks to have regained some pre-knee injury form and confidence. If so he is more than capable of holding a Playfair or Kingsley. Kellaway, Graham or young Jackson will perform the 3rd tall role. I actully feel Jackson, Hartigan, Newman and co. are capable of doing a good job on the small forwards.

Midfield:
I think we have the edge here. Coughlin, Johnson, Brown, Bowden and Campbell are all good players, some are exceptional, but I think Geelonog will use pace in Tenace, Byrnes and Kelly to win here. Campbell is also slowing down, and may not spend much time in the middle. The youngsters are largely unknown, so could pull something out, but this is unlikely against a tough side like Geelong.

It'll be Cogs, Hyde, Tuck vs your lot. With Brown & Johnson having stints. You'd expect it to be in Geelongs favor.

Ruck:
I think we have an advantage in the ruck, with King and Ottens against Stafford and Knobel, I rate Stafford, but he is getting on now, and Knobel is nothing special.

Stafford is a good ruckman. You'd tip King & Ottens to beat Stafford, Knobel & Simmonds though.

Geelong Defence:
Be wary of saying that Scarlett will towel up Simmonds, he kicked 5 last time these 2 played against eah other. The Richmond forward line has some potency in Simmonds, Richo, Brown and Krakouer, but are they up to the task against the best defence in the league. All guns need to fire in this half of the ground if Richmond are to be a chance.

If Richo comes to play he could give big Harley a towling. Of course a on form Richo will come close to winning us the game. Come to think of it Simmonds will line up well against Scarlett. 105kg, 200+cm is a very large man. Of course I rate Scarlett the best FB around (along with Micheal) so he could shut him down.

If one of Brown or Richardson fire and a Krak or Campbell chips in Richmond are a very good champ. In all honestly you wouldnt expect Lids or Tambo to do much aganst defenders as good as Geelongs.

Overall:
Richmond have some talented players, but they need all of them at their best in order to win this match, and I just don't think that will happen. Geelong by 6 goals.

Once again; If Richo fires we can beat anyone.

Geelong by no more than 5 goals would be a decent result me thinks.

 

[DBAH0]

Last time the teams played, Ablett and Steve Johnson kicked quite a few goals between them, so the Tigers defence has to make sure to try and hold the Cats small forwards, because if they can kick about 5 to 7 goals, they'll be in trouble.

I'd like to see Koula get a game in the midfield if at all possible, even though at first glance he probably doesn't deserve one at the moment. My reasoning for this is because of some factors including he had a great game against the Tigers last year (got about 25 possesions), and the fact if Ray Hall is going to play on Ottens, Koula should have the instructions to kick long to the goalsquare to that contest. Even though Ottens isn't as good as he should be in the one on one contest, Ray Hall isn't exactly too good in that department either, he's better off on a tall leading player, yet someone like Kingsley could have too much speed off the mark for him. Mark Graham could be an option perhaps.

On the argument of Hyde and Tuck vs. Koula and Wojcinski, well I don't think many non - Richmond supporters are going to go with the former, and that's just because they don't have the runs on the board. Tuck and Hyde may have been great in pre - season, but that doesn't count for everything once the real stuff begins. Monica was a valuable commodity at trade week last season, Essendon being very interested, and there were rumors of him being moved for a 1st or high 2nd round pick, to help get the Ottens deal done. I doubt Hyde or Tuck would be worth that much, but come of end of season, it could be different. The thing I've noticed with Hyde with his games so far, is that he seems ok as a tagger, yet he probably doesn't win enough of the ball himself. Richmond need him to become the player that they originally thought Aaron Fiora was going to be, and what Tivendale has done over the past few years, running the lines, and using the left foot to good effect into the forward line.

Matchup wise I'll be interested to see from Scarlett and Harley who gets Richo and who gets Simmonds. Simmonds kicked 5 goals on Scarlett at Subi last season in round 5, and Harley had the job on Richo in round 19 last year, so it could go that way or vice versa. To me, those 2 are going to have to kick 3 or 4 goals each at least, because I don't know if Richmond have enough crumbers besides Krakouer and Brown in they get enough time in the forward line to kick enough goals, and that's probably been one of Richmond's problems over the past few seasons, a lack of some secondary goal scoring options besides Richo.

 

[DBAH0]

ottens rucks to the opposition.

I hate to think what the alternative would be in Trent Knobel.

 

[Bentleigh]

I hate to think what the alternative would be in Trent Knobel.

He actully looked good against the Lions. Got in Richmonds best I relise he is shyte around the ground but his ruck work was very good against Keating and Charman.

The difference would be Ottens is on 400k, compared to Knobels 150 odd.

 

[DBAH0]

Going by that Id rate Richmond higher. Ling & Kelly are very good players but Id prefer Johnson & Coughlan. As good as young Ablett is I rate Doctor Pink as one of the best going around. I rate Bartel very highly. Bowden in top form (2nd half of last season) is fairly special. Thus im happy with our top 4 mids and rate them right up there with the leagues best.

As for deapth I wouldnt swap our crop; Jackson, Newman, Hartigan etc. but Im sure you fell the same way for your own club.



Geelongs got a great young list. Ling is only 24, Bartel & Kelly 21, Ablett 20.

Whilst Richmonds midfeild core is more mature; Johnson 27, Brown 26, Bowden 26 we, like Geelong have a very young future midfield.

I expect as time draws on Brown will stick to the flank. Plough has already stated he belevies Brown needs to play 60% forward flank where he reckon he will win AA selection. Johnson is already being touted for some serious time up on a back flank while Bowden found his carrer best form at CHB and is a true utlity.

What Richmond fans are excited about is the next generation. Cogs is still 22. He will be at the club for the next decade; future captain. Like you say; Tambling and Deledio should go alright in the gut in a couple years. Lets hope Kelly & Bartel like or dare I say it an inprovment. What really excites Richmond fan is not only these 2 boys the pleathora of potential in the likes of Jackson, Hartigan, Gilmour, Raines, Roach, Polo, Meyer and co. Even some of the 3rd/4th/5th players look similar to the Doggies B players in Newman, Tuck, Hyde etc. seem to be comming of age.

Certainly looking forward to the future.

Both clubs are young and promising. Geelong are a few years ahead in the midfeild . While Richmond current core will take up other roles (Brown forward flank, Johnson back flank) etc. your future midfield is already there while ours is a a couple years behind.

Hope that made some sence.

The way I look at the difference between the midfields is this. Basically Richmond top 3 midfielders and Geelong top 3 midfielders are quite even. Yuo can argue either way which one you would prefer with their pros and cons etc. Bowden probably played his best football in defence in the 2nd half last year, although he did get some time in the midfield as well, so I'll be interested to see what position he'll be playing all year, and what effect Plough has on him.

I think the main difference though is in the secondary midfielders afterwards. Geelong have Joel Corey (been one of our best hard ball getters and most consistent midfielders over the past 3 seasons), Darren Milburn can rotate through there (very unlucky not to be AA last year), Kane Tenace (who should start making a greater impact this season), and Ablett and Chapman can rotate through there as well. I look at Richmond, and I don't really see the same class in there will their next bunch, although I'm sure Richmond supporters are going to argue otherwise. Deledio and Tambling are going to fantastic players in 2-3 seasons, but right now they've got to still get used to the pace of AFL and get their bodies in top nick. Krakouer would probably be the top of the bunch with Campbell, while you've got Tivendale, Tuck and Hyde through there as well. If players such as Roach and Raines etc. can step up and really start applying some pressure to get a regular game, it'll make Richmond's midfield a lot better though.

 

[DBAH0]

He actully looked good against the Lions. I relise he is shyte around the ground but his ruck work was very good against Keating and Charman.

The difference would be Ottens is on 400k, compared to Knobels 150 odd.

We'll wait and see how he plays for the first month or 2 before he should be fairly judged. The problem is for Knobel is that other ruckmen like Peter Street may be good in the ruck as well, but they can't play for shyte around the ground either, and it's cost them. At least Richmond can put Stafford in there, and give Simmonds a run as well, although Simmo would be a good chance to kick 40-50 goals up forward if he stayed there permanently. I'm not going to comment on how much Ottens is making, because I've heard from 300K(Geelong supporters) to 400K(Richmond supporters) and it's not really fair making a judgement without the real figures being available.

 

[G_Money]

u are a dumbass

Oh the irony.

G Money

 

[cats56]

Mark Coughlan = Bentleigh's wet dream.

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

A realistic point of view from a Tiges supporter. Last year you guys were 1 goal away from a GF appearance. We were 1 goal away from being banished from the AFL forever (or thereabouts). You guys should/will towel us.

Your list is young, quick, strong, football-smart and have tasted finals success already. We only have a few shining lights, mostly young kids similar in position to where your list was 2-3 years ago.

In addition, your list has never been exposed to Danny Frawley (Ottens excepted), and therefore obviously still have a clue how to play the game. It will take Wallace a while to get that out of our lists system.

You'll have a good season this year, and I rate Geelong the best chance to bring the cup back to Victoria. Best of luck for the season.


Geelong by 6-10 goals.

 

[Ricketts]

ottens rucks to the opposition.

He does now that he's not on your team.

 

[Nightwolf]

Mark Coughlan = Bentleigh's wet dream.

Add Jackson to that list...

 

[WestCat]

My biggest concern for the game is Richmond's forward line. Richo, Simmonds, Brown and Krakouer do worry me. With the exception of Brown, none of them have played consistently good footy during the past few years, but they all have a lot of potential to break open a game on their day, Richo in particular. I think this is the key to the game, basically if Richo and Simmonds don't fire Geelong will win, if one fires it could go either way, but if both fire, Richmond are a good chance, Scarlett and Harley need to be at their best.

 

[Fall Out Boy]

Add Jackson to that list...

That's deserved. Kid goes extremely well.

 

[Bentleigh]

Well then why say your midfield is "capable of beating anyone, week in week out". Geelong's midfield is excellent and will only get better but they are certainly not the best in the league. So in fact, you can't beat anybody, week in week out.

Cogs, Brown, Johnson are as good as any 3 mins in the league.

Koulouriotis and Wojcinski>>>>>>>>Tuck and Hyde.
By a mile.

Koulouriotis or Wojcinski > Hawthorn Captain (and 18 odd players in the best 22)

Add Jackson to that list...

He's a very good kid.

My biggest concern for the game is Richmond's forward line. Richo, Simmonds, Brown and Krakouer do worry me. With the exception of Brown, none of them have played consistently good footy during the past few years, but they all have a lot of potential to break open a game on their day, Richo in particular. I think this is the key to the game, basically if Richo and Simmonds don't fire Geelong will win, if one fires it could go either way, but if both fire, Richmond are a good chance, Scarlett and Harley need to be at their best.

Indeed. With Richo in the team, on our day we can knock over anyone.

Richo & Brown are capable of bags, Simmonds & Krak have the abilty to put a few away while Deledio, Tambling, Campbell, Tuck etc. are all capable of having of sloting a couple.

 

[nananana catman]

Geelong will lose, just because its Richmond in round 1. No use comparing the individual players because footy isnt an individual event, we showed that last year.

 

[seniorspanner47]

[QSimmonds kicked 5 goals on Scarlett at Subi last season in round 5

From memory at least 2 of them were from iffy free kicks

 

[madtiger2005]

we'll beat u guys because u are overrated and our players and coach are underrated. U guys don't have a deadly forwad line. Ablett usually kick a couple of goals only.

 

[rizzo]

we'll beat u guys because u are overrated and our players and coach are underrated. U guys don't have a deadly forwad line. Ablett usually kick a couple of goals only.

Nice try, but run away now....

Come back when your draftees actually become something then just hype and terry wallace proves something