Waqar Younis The Destroyer

[bombersfan4000]

Nevermind the fact that Waqar played 40 of his 87 Tests and exactly half of his ODIs outside of Asia, if you're trying to claim that pitches, grounds and playing conditions are more suited to bowlers now than they were in the '90s and early 2000s, then you're having a laugh.

so more than half of waqars tests were played on the subcontinent, as oppose to Stynes how many, the majority of his tests will be in South Africa England etc....

it may be more of a batsmen now days but Waqar bowled to far better teams, the Australia, WI teams, on flat pitches.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Their attack was even more deadly when they started ball tampering..
I remember watching them play England in the early 90s and I think we were about 200-1..
they suddenly "found reverse swing" and we were bowled out for about 260 IIRC.

Ah yes, that old favourite chestnut. When Waqar does it, it's ball tampering. When Anderson does it today, or when Simon Jones did it in 2005 it was skill.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

so the pitches in south Africa as oppose to the hot & dry flat decks that are the size of a suburban cricket oval in subcontinent?

The thing about Waqar and Wasim and all the other great Pakistani quicks is that bowling in Asia suited their style of bowling, relying on reverse swing and targetting bowleds and lbws more than caught behind. Dry wickets, dry outfields, the ball gets scuffed up much more easily than it would on a grassy wicket elsewhere in the world. Subcontinent wickets only disadvantage traditional seam bowlers who just put it on a good length and expect the pitch to do the rest for them, they usually give an advantage to fast bowlers who like to use reverse swing and bowl full at the stumps.

 

[Pugsley]

not knocking Steyn, it also needs to be taken in to account that Steyn has played more of his career on much more bowler friendly pitches than Waqar did

I've never knocked a stein either.

 

[ioppolo]

Mentioning a Pakistani fast bowler always goes hand in hand with someone mentioning ball tampering.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Ah yes, that old favourite chestnut. When Waqar does it, it's ball tampering. When Anderson does it today, or when Simon Jones did it in 2005 it was skill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rowing-light-on-a-touchy-subject-1434755.html

They admitted using the method of using a bottle-top on one side of the ball..

Indeed, the most startling admission so far released concerns a county match between Sussex and Hampshire in 1991. 'The ball was not deviating at all,' Imran is quoted as saying. 'So I got the 12th man to bring on a bottle top and it started to move around a lot. I occasionally scratched the side (of the ball) and lifted the seam.'

That example is from the exact same tour I was referring to. If they use it in a tour match ,there is no doubt they used it in the match I mentioned.

 

[Hellgood]

so the pitches in south Africa as oppose to the hot & dry flat decks that are the size of a suburban cricket oval in subcontinent?

No that is bullshit. Have a think about the locations where reverse swing is most dangerous.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...rowing-light-on-a-touchy-subject-1434755.html

They admitted using the method of using a bottle-top on one side of the ball..

Indeed, the most startling admission so far released concerns a county match between Sussex and Hampshire in 1991. 'The ball was not deviating at all,' Imran is quoted as saying. 'So I got the 12th man to bring on a bottle top and it started to move around a lot. I occasionally scratched the side (of the ball) and lifted the seam.'

That example is from the exact same tour I was referring to. If they use it in a tour match ,there is no doubt they used it in the match I mentioned.

Bottle lids, Trebor Extra Strong Mints, pocket zippers on trousers... it's all in the game man. I could take a chainsaw to the cricket ball and I would still not be able to bowl a perfect reverse swinging yorker at 150+ speeds. It's still 99% skill and 1% bending the rules, otherwise anybody with a bottle top could become an all time great fast bowler!

 

[iluvparis]

Yup - its like those who downgrade cycling because of the drugs.

As if a couple of shots of EPO would have me exploding up Alp d'Huez in 35 minutes.

 

[The_Reaper]

It was only back in the Perth test when Dirk Nannes was explaining to everyone on the radio how to extract swing from the red snakes.

 

[Donnie Darko]

Bottle lids, Trebor Extra Strong Mints, pocket zippers on trousers... it's all in the game man. I could take a chainsaw to the cricket ball and I would still not be able to bowl a perfect reverse swinging yorker at 150+ speeds. It's still 99% skill and 1% bending the rules, otherwise anybody with a bottle top could become an all time great fast bowler!

PAK have even gone as far as biting the ball.
Its one thing to shine a ball with some spit that has been boosted by mint sweets......
its another level of cheating to destroy the ball like PAK used to do and still might do.

 

[The_Reaper]

PAK have even gone as far as biting the ball.
Its one thing to shine a ball with some spit that has been boosted by mint sweets......
its another level of cheating to destroy the ball like PAK used to do and still might do.

I
Think that is just Afridi being 'special'

 

[rocker_oz33]

Gun bowler in his prime.
Last memory of him was he bowled those beam balls in a oneday match.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I
Think that is just Afridi being 'special'

Gul has been caught doing the same thing.
Eating the ball like its an apple

 

[Spitta Andretti]

PAK have even gone as far as biting the ball.
Its one thing to shine a ball with some spit that has been boosted by mint sweets......
its another level of cheating to destroy the ball like PAK used to do and still might do.

Ahh, the forever 17 Mr. Afridi. That was a moment of much lulz

I disagree. I think if you deliberately do anything at all to the ball to modify its characteristics then its cheating all the same, whether it's mints you use to do it or your teeth. Same principle the police use with P-platers and cars. I wanted to put an exhaust on my naturally aspirated car (the equivalent of using mint-enriched saliva to shine the ball, it won't make much of a difference on an N/A vehicle), but that is prohibited and carries the same punishment as installing a turbo/supercharger (which would be the equivalent of biting the ball).

Besides which, don't think Waqar ever bit the ball.

 

[Power Raid]

PAK have even gone as far as biting the ball.
Its one thing to shine a ball with some spit that has been boosted by mint sweets......
its another level of cheating to destroy the ball like PAK used to do and still might do.

a simple case of mistaken identity

he thought it was an apple

 

[footyfan1978]

2:08 on that video how does that ball swing from way outside off to hitting the leg stump

With great skill.
Here is another one. This time by a bowler that more known for his art of out swing.


I should mention one time when bowling at training, the ball wildy swung back in and to this day I got no idea what I did that particular ball different to other times I tried an inswing. If I tried an inswinger I found it often difficult to get it to go far normally. Outswing I could do easily but inswing was way harder I found.

 

[Power Raid]

With great skill.
Here is another one. This time by a bowler that more known for his art of out swing.


I should mention one time when bowling at training, the ball wildy swung back in and to this day I got no idea what I did that particular ball different to other times I tried an inswing. If I tried an inswinger I found it often difficult to get it to go far normally. Outswing I could do easily but inswing was way harder I found.

why not just bowl every ball like that?