Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 5 - thread rules updated

[barreness]

You are pretty bad at this.

Ukraine / Russia border treaty:

UNTC

International law is clear on this - these treaties cannot be repealed. France cannot waltz into New Orleans and reclaim it because it doesn't like what the US is doing with it. China cannot reclaim Vladivostock from Russia because it doesn't agree with the treaty signed in the 1800s.

These treaties are absolute - the deal wasn't that Ukraine remain a puppet state of Russia perpetually.

Absolute? End of history argument? Like, look around

The only state at fault here is Russia - clearly. This is why Russia's attempted annexations are unsuccessful, unsustainable and have no hope of ever being legitamised. Literally the only reason they continue is because your dictator has absolute dictatorial power and dreams of recreating a new Russian empire to replace his beloved USSR.

The reality is Ukraine is not and will not ever be a puppet state of Russia again. The main reason for this is the people of Ukraine now resent Russians that deeply because of imposed Ruscims by Putin ensuring that Ukanians will never accept Russian subjugation again.


Georgia is also not fine at all, that's a claim only a pro Russian shill could possibly make.

Better than losing most of your menfolk and being a broken country

There's also a free bottle of vodka on offer if you can guess who signed the Ukraine -Russia border treaty in 2003 on behalf of Russia.

More a cask wine man tbh

 

[barreness]

Pretty sure that Xi Jinping does not agree, China has this entire "century of barbarian humiliation" and "unfair treaties" thing which means they regard any treaty from that era as invalid.

China eyes Russia's Far East as Putin's 'History Lesson' backfires

Chinese nationalists demanded that Russia return Vladivostok following Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin.

www.newsweek.com

China's new map claims swathes of neighboring territory

As India prepares to host the G20 summit in New Delhi, China has published a new map that includes part of its territory from its neighbor

www.newsweek.com

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2024/03/far-east-territorial-dispute-tests-prc-russia-ties/

China's global triumph impossible without some parts of the Far East back - Robert Lansing Institute

Beijing sees the centenary of China in 2049 as a global triumph for powerful China, which most likely involves restoring historical integrity with the

lansinginstitute.org

Russian far east belongs to China - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

Trying desperately to get another soviet-sino split going.

You are right in that China could change it's mind and move on Russia's far east.

The current reality is that China/Russia/India/Brazil realise that if they don't stick together then they'll hang one by one. When the US balkanises and the empire dies properly I'm sure they'll be back at one another's throats

 

[barreness]

Ukraine has allegedly used a longer range ballistic missile called Sapsan (which means peregrine falcon), though President Z is a bit coy about providing details of it's use and range. It is thought to be a longer range derivative of the Hrim ballistic missile, whose development started after the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014.

If Zelensky’s Claim Of Using Homegrown Ballistic Missile For First Time Is True, It’s A Big Deal

Ukraine has long pined for a missile of its own of this kind to provide a potent means of striking targets deep inside Russia without restrictions. Ukraine has long pined for a missile of its own of this kind to provide a potent means of striking targets deep inside Russia without restrictions.

www.twz.com

New wunderwaffe just dropped babe

Surely you get tired of posting these things. What happened to the flamingo? turned out as a money siphon and a not particularly successful V-1 clone

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukrain...missiles-per-month-expert-hopes-50538676.html
“The company stated it could immediately produce 50 such missiles per month,” he said.

“This means we’re reaching the same level of cruise missile production as the Russians, who can produce about 60 Kh-101 missiles monthly. So, we’re approaching near-parity with them?”

One has to question where the bloody hell they are?

 

[Aussie in exile]

If little legs putin was serious about ending the war and stopping the slaughter of russian and north korean troops he would withdraw all these troops from Ukrainian territory, but his ego won't let him, and he doesn't care how many russian and north korean troops.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Pretty sure that Xi Jinping does not agree, China has this entire "century of barbarian humiliation" and "unfair treaties" thing which means they regard any treaty from that era as invalid.

China eyes Russia's Far East as Putin's 'History Lesson' backfires

Chinese nationalists demanded that Russia return Vladivostok following Tucker Carlson's interview with Vladimir Putin.

www.newsweek.com

China's new map claims swathes of neighboring territory

As India prepares to host the G20 summit in New Delhi, China has published a new map that includes part of its territory from its neighbor

www.newsweek.com

https://ipdefenseforum.com/2024/03/far-east-territorial-dispute-tests-prc-russia-ties/

China's global triumph impossible without some parts of the Far East back - Robert Lansing Institute

Beijing sees the centenary of China in 2049 as a global triumph for powerful China, which most likely involves restoring historical integrity with the

lansinginstitute.org

Russian far east belongs to China - Taipei Times

Bringing Taiwan to the World and the World to Taiwan

www.taipeitimes.com

I think there is little doubt that once putin has bankrupt russia, china will move in on russia's far east and help itself too all that gas and oil.

 

[Zidane98]

Absolute? End of history argument? Like, look around

Better than losing most of your menfolk and being a broken country

More a cask wine man tbh

Let's look at the facts.

Russia is:

Banned from ICAO
Banned from FIFA
Banned from UEFA
Isolated internationally
Economy in ruins
National weather funds obliterated since 2022
Natural resources income permanently reduced
No allies apart from North Korea, Belarus plus a few African warlords.
Unable to provide indoor toilets


The facts show that Russia is the broken country with no hope as long as Pedo Putin & co are running the show.

And as you are aware everything in Russia is shit except for piss.

Do you have an answer for who signed and ratified the Ukraine-Russia border agreement in 2003 tovarisch?

Because that is an absolute absolute agreement that cannot be repealed.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a guaranteed failure for this reason.

Another fun fact:

There has not been any state that has unilaterally been able to change the borders that were previously agreed.

This means that the only way Pedo Putin can succeed is to get Ukraine to surrender and allies to recognise its annexation.

An impossibility.

Putin's delusions of a new empire are doomed and you know it.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Let's look at the facts.

Russia is:

Banned from ICAO
Banned from FIFA
Banned from UEFA
Isolated internationally
Economy in ruins
National weather funds obliterated since 2022
Natural resources income permanently reduced
No allies apart from North Korea, Belarus plus a few African warlords.
Unable to provide indoor toilets


The facts show that Russia is the broken country with no hope as long as Pedo Putin & co are running the show.

And as you are aware everything in Russia is shit except for piss.

And china just waiting for putin to completely bankrupt russia so they can help themselves to all that gas and oil in far eastern russia

 

[barreness]

Let's look at the facts.

Russia is:

Banned from ICAO
Banned from FIFA
Banned from UEFA
Isolated internationally
Economy in ruins
National weather funds obliterated since 2022
Natural resources income permanently reduced
No allies apart from North Korea, Belarus plus a few African warlords.
Unable to provide indoor toilets


The facts show that Russia is the broken country with no hope as long as Pedo Putin & co are running the show.

And as you are aware everything in Russia is shit except for piss.

Do you have an answer for who signed and ratified the Ukraine-Russia border agreement in 2003 tovarisch?

Because that is an absolute absolute agreement that cannot be repealed.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a guaranteed failure for this reason.

Another fun fact:

There has not been any state that has unilaterally been able to change the borders that were previously agreed.

This means that the only way Pedo Putin can succeed is to get Ukraine to surrender and allies to recognise its annexation.

An impossibility.

Putin's delusions of a new empire are doomed and you know it.

Just gonna take this one bit because it's unhinged.

Like really? you believe this? Europe has been constantly changing borders for at least 2000 years, often after agreements

 

[Zidane98]

Just gonna take this one bit because it's unhinged.

Like really? you believe this? Europe has been constantly changing borders for at least 2000 years, often after agreements

Yes because that's reality. You will not be able to find an example of a modern day state that had previously agreed sovereignty permanently annexing territory from that state unilaterally. Treaties on sovereignty are absolute and permanent.

I bet you can't find an example within the last 50 years.

By the way do you have an answer for us on this thread who signed the permanent border agreement between Ukraine & Russia in 2003?


It's the 3rd time you've been asked to respond and have failed to respond everytime.

Any reason why?

 

[Zidane98]

It is an absolute fact that a successful annexation of Ukraine by Russia is possible only with agreement from Ukraine.

Good luck needing 700,000 troops permanently just to maintain an occupation that offers nothing to Russia other than permanent isolation, economic damage and undermining of Russia as a state.

Russia loses simply because Ukraine will never subjugate to Russia. Ukrainians agreeing to Russian annexation is as likely as Jews accepting Hitler as their leader before the end of WW2.

 

[barreness]

Yes because that's reality. You will not be able to find an example of a modern day state that had previously agreed sovereignty permanently annexing territory from that state unilaterally. Treaties on sovereignty are absolute and permanent.

I bet you can't find an example within the last 50 years.

Ah ok important caveat, as far as Europe goes at least

Just off the top of my head there is your favourites, Israel and the Golan Heights*
*I guess Israel doesn't have agreed upon borders with anyone or internally so you can claim your specific set of criteria isn't met

By the way do you have an answer for us on this thread who signed the permanent border agreement between Ukraine & Russia in 2003?

Putin was in power so I presume it was him? cbf looking it up

It's the 3rd time you've been asked to respond and have failed to respond everytime.

Any reason why?

Because it means literally nothing, you're doing dumb purity tests. It's 'but do you condemn Hamas' stuff, waste of time

 

[Zidane98]

Ah ok important caveat, as far as Europe goes at least

Just off the top of my head there is your favourites, Israel and the Golan Heights*
*I guess Israel doesn't have agreed upon borders with anyone or internally so you can claim your specific set of criteria isn't met


Putin was in power so I presume it was him? cbf looking it up

Because it means literally nothing, you're doing dumb purity tests. It's 'but do you condemn Hamas' stuff, waste of time

You know you are losing when you bring up this argument.

Israel hasn't agreed anything with Syria

But just to show just how bad your argument is here consider Egypt / Israel. They agreed peace, Israel withdraw its annexation.

There was even a border dispute in the 80s between Egypt / Israel

international authorities ruled in favour of Egypt, Israel didn't object.

This post does sound like it is finally dawning on you that the situation for a permanent occupation of Ukraine is simply hopeless for Russia

Russia needs Ukraine's agreement and all my money is on that never happening.

Otherwise the outcome is inevitable for Russia.