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[wannabejack]

Crimea beach party 2023 right?

This one was said. It's a NAFO thing though, backed by a proto-fascist Canadian merch outlet lol

But yeh you can just admit you can't find it. Trust me I've looked hard for this one, the only source is a tweet from the Ukrainian embassy in London.

I'll repeat, cool quote but doubtful it was ever said at the time. Became a rallying cry.

Not a weird thing really, misquotes and made up stuff happens all the time and carry on through history if they fit the situation

I'll continue to believe he said it.

 

[Zidane98]

Taking out 2/3s of Russia's oil refining capacity in 2025 is some effort.

Putin should be begging for a security deal on his oil infrastructure.

 

[Zidane98]

If China decides to go ahead with this Russia will be powerless to stop them...

 

[Zidane98]

Maduro's fall also means Putin has one less place to flee too in the event he is overthrown.

These are Putin's only real options left to flee in the event of an uprising in Russia:


Pyongyang
Belarus (possibly not a great idea if his dictatorship is overthrown)
Guest at Mar-a-lago
Flatmate of Aussie Cossack in Sydney Russian consulate
Guest of Viktor Orban
Mongolia
Epstein Island
Gaza Strip as honorary guest of Hamas
Yemen
Beijing



Who do we believe Putin would choose in the event his dictatorship falls?

 

[Zidane98]

Ukraine are taking out yet more Russian oil infrastructure all the way over in the Caspian Sea:




At this stage, Ukraine is running Russia's oil industry.

 

[Zidane98]

When Kremlin mouthpieces are saying this you know there are severe problems

 

[wannabejack]

From a Kyiv Post article

Right now it’s pretty probable that Ukraine is manufacturing more 155mm artillery shells – the bread and butter, most basic and most-needed single munition in any conventional army’s artillery capacity – than the United States of America.

Although the drone forces tell us every chance they can about 36 percent of all Russian casualties are caused by drones, it is only fair to remember that means there is 64 percent that is not, and by every report and source that I know of, that is still overwhelmingly mortars and artillery.

...in four years of war Ukraine went from being a country that produces no NATO-standard artillery shells, to being a country that, rough numbers, now produces artillery shells at least on par with the US, and probably outstripping it.

...when the US cut Ukraine off from arms deliveries in February, it was because the White House reasoned that if they didn’t donate arms and weaponry to Ukraine, then Ukraine would be forced to sue for peace on Russia’s terms, because Ukraine wouldn’t have anything to fight Russia with. I think we can safely say that strategy has blown up (get it?) in the White House’s face.

 

[Zidane98]

From a Kyiv Post article

So the US has stopped supplying ammunition and approved only $800 million of military assistance to Ukraine in its latest $1 trillion military budget.


Meanwhile, Denmark approves $294 million assistance out of a $7 billion military budget.


These facts make any claims that Ukraine fights only because of the US as simply untenable. Plus Trump has repeatedly attempted to pressure Zelesnky in giving up territory which has been flatly refused by Ukraine.

Anyone trying to claim that Ukraine is a US proxy is simply lying when in possession of these facts.


Infact there is more a case that Ukraine is a proxy of Denmark than of the US.

 

[Wce17]

There have been a lot of diversionary topics arising recently here of late, and very little mention of either the Russian strikes on Ukrainian territory or Ukrainian strikes on Russian territory - not to mention "frontline" (these days, sic) events.

Russian Oreshnik strike on Lviv:

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Some RF information claims this was not a gas infrastructure but an unmanned systems (meaning drones) base (meaning either supply or control). But mostly it's reported to be a gas plant. Other locations were also struck the same night including Kyiv and Dnipropetrovsk.

Kupyansk: Russian cells still remain within Kupyansk though are small and are probably not receiving supplies. A further attempt to invade Kupyansk did not succeed.

Huliapole: Was over-run by RF including reported exposure of Ukrainian military data left behind. Followed by more than one Ukrainian attempt to retake Huliapole which as far as I could tell seems to have resulted in currently the town now being "contested".

Vovchansk: RF attempted again to move forward in Vovchansk (I can't remember how the town is spelled) however news on this salient has dried up suggesting maybe it's not moving.

Lyman: In danger from RF attempts to advance but still under Ukrainian control.

Siversk: I believe it's pretty much under RF control.

Dobropilia: Multiple RF attempts to move this direction again seem not to have resulted in any success.

Pokrovsk/Myrnohrad: Both towns have heavy RF placements but neither are under control. The area south of Myrnohrad was vacated by Ukrainian troops. Rodinske in the same readion seems to be another grey area.

Almost all these regions no longer have a "frontline" in reality due to drone-based exchanges rather than forward positions. Its more like a Venn Diagram nowadays with fire control versions of frontlines which overlap each other (ie the RF fire control frontline is on the Ukrainian side of the Ukrianian fire control frontline (and vice versa).

Both military and oil or gas facilities in Russia continue to be struck every couple of days. Belgorod suffered a massive power outage around the same time as the Lviv strike. In Ukraine, Krivy Rih, Kramatorsk and Kharkiv have suffered recent strikes.

I encounter these reports every day but mostly here discussion seems to follow the politically connected topics so I tend not to post those reports.

Denys Davydov is a good source for frontline information. Usually does a video update every other day which includes detailed frontline movement plus all the other stuff.

He's pretty measured and will highlight both Russian & Ukraine losses aswell as calling out Ukraine if he isn't happy with things.

He's been really strong on the fact that Ukraines Military still needs some reforms to become stronger & there's been some incompetence in the top ranks thats has cost them towns like Hulyaipole (May still be contested)

 

[Zidane98]

Kremlin's tactic to alleviate concerns over the fall of Putin's allies - they were never actually allies:




I wonder what they would say if Lukashenko AKA the potato Tsar were to fall.

 

[Zidane98]

Denys Davydov is a good source for frontline information. Usually does a video update every other day which includes detailed frontline movement plus all the other stuff.

He's pretty measured and will highlight both Russian & Ukraine losses aswell as calling out Ukraine if he isn't happy with things.

He's been really strong on the fact that Ukraines Military still needs some reforms to become stronger & there's been some incompetence in the top ranks thats has cost them towns like Hulyaipole (May still be contested)

Ukranian military were never going to be perfect. IMO they've done pretty well especially considering the huge numerical disadvantage they face, both in man power, ammunition, artillery and equipment. They also face an army that is lead by Putin who has absolutely zero disregard for the life and wellbeing of his soldiers whereas Ukraine actually wants their soldiers to survive, be rotated out of service and return.


Ukraine winning the drone war has been huge, they've simply outsmarted the Russians with their drone expertise which is fast becoming the best in the world with talks of Ukraine even exporting to US.

 

[Wce17]

Ukranian military were never going to be perfect. IMO they've done pretty well especially considering the huge numerical disadvantage they face, both in man power, ammunition, artillery and equipment. They also face an army that is lead by Putin who has absolutely zero disregard for the life and wellbeing of his soldiers whereas Ukraine actually wants their soldiers to survive, be rotated out of service and return.


Ukraine winning the drone war has been huge, they've simply outsmarted the Russians with their drone expertise which is fast becoming the best in the world with talks of Ukraine even exporting to US.

Yeah I think they have done well he just seems to suggest that some of the leadership in places like Siversk & Hulyaipole has lead to the towns being contested when if the leadership in charge had of reported correctly on there situation (They reported things where better than they where) they could have sent in backup to stabilize that area of the front before they got overrun. He just thinks they have better people who could be in these senior positions.

Was also pretty critical of them holding onto Bakhmut for too long & then also thinks they should have pulled out of Myrnohrad sooner although he later said they did a good job getting the partially encircled troops out without many losses.

Other thing was he said they should have been building stronger defensive lines behind the main frontline sooner which they have now started doing. Theres a couple of videos floating around of what they have been building.

 

[wannabejack]

UK to develop new deep strike ballistic missile for Ukraine

The UK will develop new tactical ballistic missiles that boost Ukraine’s firepower to defend itself from Putin’s war machine.

www.gov.uk

Under Project Nightfall, the UK has launched a competition to rapidly develop ground-launched ballistic missiles with a range of more than 500 kilometres and designed to operate in high-threat battlefields with heavy electromagnetic interference.

Nightfall missiles will be capable of being launched from a range of vehicles, firing multiple missiles in quick succession and withdrawing within minutes – allowing Ukrainian forces to hit key military targets before Russian forces can respond.

 

[Zidane98]

Reminder: RIA Novosti accidentally published an article 4 days after the "SMO" started proclaiming Ukraine's "glorious" return to the Russian empire:





It was hurriedly deleted when it became clear that was not going to happen.


The internet does not forget - even if Putin & co tried to hide it!

 

[Zidane98]

Basically, the Oreshnik is a heap of shit.



Ukranians are not threatened by it at all. Another fail by Putin.

 

[Zidane98]

While everything turns to shit in Russia Putin is off travelling on important geopolitical business:





Whatever message Putin believes this sends the reality is opposite. To be seen chasing Kim Jong up as an ally is not a win at all for Russia despite what he may believe.

 

[wannabejack]

While everything turns to shit in Russia Putin is off travelling on important geopolitical business:





Whatever message Putin believes this sends the reality is opposite. To be seen chasing Kim Jong up as an ally is not a win at all for Russia despite what he may believe.

Checking the availability of accommodation in the future.

 

[Andre]

If China decides to go ahead with this Russia will be powerless to stop them...

The irony, that unlike the West, here are citizens of a country calling to invade Russia itself, an existential threat, yet they are the 'ally'. China is patient. If Russia remains intact, Russia will need Chinese support, so China can get those resources cheaply without invading. If Russia falls apart, they think Eastern Russia won't get any of the nukes, so they'll be able to easily overrun the few living there. Which I expect they could. The Chinese military is corrupt, but not to the extent of Russia's, and they are much more organised along modern military lines.

 

[Zidane98]

Noting to see here. Just a few fiscal problems in Saratov:



I wonder which region will crack first and turn on Putin for their lives being a misery due to the Ukraine invasion.

 

[Saint]

Noting to see here. Just a few fiscal problems in Saratov:



I wonder which region will crack first and turn on Putin for their lives being a misery due to the Ukraine invasion.

The problem will be that this will become a contagion. Once a region defaults, the interest rates on all regions will go up and defaults will increase, then the loans will stop altogether and the regions won't be able to fund wages or pensions.

The Russian Govt stopped giving the regions money a couple of years ago and this is the first public default. I wonder how many the Russian Govt had covered up with cash or threats before now.

And who do the regions owe money to, and how much?

 

[Mobbs]

Denys Davydov is a good source for frontline information. Usually does a video update every other day which includes detailed frontline movement plus all the other stuff.

He's pretty measured and will highlight both Russian & Ukraine losses aswell as calling out Ukraine if he isn't happy with things.

He's been really strong on the fact that Ukraines Military still needs some reforms to become stronger & there's been some incompetence in the top ranks thats has cost them towns like Hulyaipole (May still be contested)

Yep good suggestion. He's very unfront with his criticisms, especially in the cases where he perceives Ukrainian forces are left to hold a clearly lost town etc when it seems they should have been evacuated: Bakhmut, Avdiivka, Mynohrad.

Also points the finger when a parade or other gathering is hit.

And he's first language Russian speaker from Crimea! You know that demographic that apparently are all pro-Russian, and you know, that other demographic that apparently are all pro-Russian!

I visited his live streams a couple of times but he covers more topics than just Ukraine so I dropped out. He did however tell me he once had Nastya Kamenskykh's phone number! Wtf what kind of double life did he lead!?

 

[Wce17]

 

[Zidane98]

Russian commanders casually discussing using African mercenaries as cannot fodder.



Not that surprising considering Putin's outright racist conscription policies.

 

[PieBeast]

Russian commanders casually discussing using African mercenaries as cannot fodder.



Not that surprising considering Putin's outright racist conscription policies.

100% fake.
The guy talking has a very distinct Ukranian accent and says they're about to change their tune while laughing about their imminent upcoming demise.

 

[CD Xbow]

This is an interesting story that we will probably never hear the truth about. Who sank the Ursa Major? Spanish authorities found it to be carrying 2 Soviet era submarine nuclear reactors. There is speculation these were actually enroute to North Korea.

Did Russia Try to Move Two Submarine Nuclear Reactors into North Korea?

Last year, a Russian “shadow fleet” vessel transported two submarine nuclear reactors to an uncertain destination in the Far East—but it never arrived.

nationalinterest.org