Play Nice Was that Gaffs last game for WC?

[Sir_Loin]

Well you’ve seen the role models Eagles supporters have...

Didn’t want to go there but it is staggering

 

[Carl Spackler]

i'm not commenting in terms of the MRP grading, i'm just saying the intention to hit someone in the face vs the chest is significantly different.

Not with spontaneous assault. The degree of punishment for assaults like a one punch attack are largely determined by the damage caused. Planned assaults (like setting a trap for someone or lining the up with a car) are significantly worse. But when you through a punch the degree of punishment (and the crime you're charged for) varies by the consequence. A little minor scratching and bruising and you're looking at a fine. Bust someone's head open and you're looking at something much worse. Just because you didn't mean to bust his head open is immaterial. You throw that fist and you're opening yourself up to some serious consequences depending on the result.

 

[evo]

5pm aest

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Initially I thought it was going to be 6-8 weeks - but after listening to all the Helen Lovejoy work in the media the last 24 hours - I think it's going to be 10-12.

 

[Belnakor]

Golf Is a lied .

that interview is brutal for Gaff.

 

[eaglesnutcase]

All those bloody WCE people are just trying to influence the outcome. All the angry little people posting their angry little bursts of vitriol aren't ??

 

[FreoGirl]

I think incorrect rumours being passed around and getting to Pavlich is a possibility and his opinion shouldn’t be repeated as fact.

I’m pretty sure his brother and Neale would have a pretty good idea!

 

[Belnakor]

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Initially I thought it was going to be 6-8 weeks - but after to listening to all the HelenLovejoy work in the media the last 24 hours - I think it's going to be 10-12.

listen to the interview with his brother. Its absolutely brutal, he is talking like his brother was attacked on the street.

I can't see Gaff getting less than 10.

 

[Mcarcherey]

Not with spontaneous assault. The degree of punishment for assaults like a one punch attack are largely determined by the damage caused. Planned assaults (like setting a trap for someone or lining the up with a car) are significantly worse. But when you through a punch the degree of punishment (and the crime you're charged for) varies by the consequence. A little minor scratching and bruising and you're looking at a fine. Bust someone's head open and you're looking at something much worse. Just because you didn't mean to bust his head open is immaterial. You throw that fist and you're opening yourself up to some serious consequences depending on the result.

footy is different to the real world - players throw tummy, chest and throat taps all the time

 

[Wally Walpamur]

He wasnt trying to spin that at all, christ some poeple here are impossible to reason with.

Why is it not OK for Nisbett or whatever his name is to be wrong about a golf game, I highly doubt he had first hand knowledge of that - why would someone of his level know details like that? Its more likely that he was misinformed by his team there.

That doesn't mean he came out to intentionally tell some porkie pies and spin some crap story to make everyone ease up.

Yet at the same time, everyone is seemingly OK with Freo trotting out the "he's only 18" line, the "100m off the ball" crap.

The idea that you think that the CEO of a football club came out and intentionally told a lie about the most mundane detail of this whole thing is ridiculous.

I have not seen a single person here there or anywhere say "Oh its ok that he hit him, they're mates", it is literally relevant to nothing.

He's the one that bought that up in relation to the question of if Gaff should be facing police charges. He claimed they played a round five days ago and are good mates off the field, when in fact, they've never met. He's trying to control the narrative and didn't have to bring it up, now he looks even worse for having said that without checking if it in fact was true. I'd suggest he'd be upset with the person that gave him that information.

 

[Mcarcherey]

No.
The classification of intentional is simply whether Gaff intended to punch/strike Brayshaw.
It's not a case of whether Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw in the mouth, break his jaw and crack 4 teeth. The classification of conduct is simply careless or intentional and this was obviously an intentional effort by Gaff to hit Brayshaw. Where he hit him is not factored in to the classification of conduct. That factors in to the classification of contact ... which in this case is also clearly high.
This attempt by Eagles administration (media) and supporters to pretend that Gaff's strike was not intentional (in the eyes of the AFL MRP and tribunal system) is pathetic at the very least.

i already said i wasn't referring to the MRP classifications.

re: eagles supports and admin - ok, i never commented on that, don't strawman me.

 

[Belnakor]

He claimed they played a round five days ago and are good mates off the field, when in fact, they've never met.

He should have got his facts straight i can only think that either 1) he knew and just wanted to muddy the waters or 2) is grossly incompetent.

 

[Peel67skin]

that interview is brutal for Gaff.

I don't want to be Hamish .

 

[JackOutback]

He should have got his facts straight i can only think that either 1) he knew and just wanted to muddy the waters or 2) is grossly incompetent.

You're missing 3) he was given incorrect information, which would make the most likely answer 2 & 3.

 

[Peel67skin]

You're missing 3) he was given incorrect information, which would make the most likely answer 2 & 3.

He is your CEO , should check before his press conference.

 

[Mcarcherey]

Then its irrelevant

so insecure....here: you're right! re: the MRP gradings, does that make you fulfilled now?

my comment wasn't in relation to that so i'll just class you're comment as irrelevant too.

 

[Belnakor]

You're missing 3) he was given incorrect information, which would make the most likely answer 2 & 3.

Either Gaff lied to him or he didn't confirm with Gaff. Both are totally unacceptable.

 

[JackOutback]

Either Gaff lied to him or he didn't confirm with Gaff. Both are totally unacceptable.

He is your CEO , should check before his press conference.

That's where 2 comes in; he's a 'rampaging flogbean'.

 

[Carl Spackler]

footy is different to the real world - players throw tummy, chest and throat taps all the time

Exactly. Would be treated as common assault in the real world and dealt with by a small fine, if anything at all. On the footy field it is dealt with be a larger fine or possibly a suspension. The ability of the sporting body to regulate itself is why the police don't get involved. The police trust the sporting body to adequately punish the offender.

This event is far beyond a common assault. More akin to assault occasioning actual bodily harm, which for first offenders can have quite a hefty (usually deferred) jail sentence (like 6-12 months) and a larger fine (maybe $15k). I got this info by doing a little research last night which is buried somewhere in this thread about 50 pages ago.

But stepping onto the sporting field does not mean you forfeit your rights to public safety, etc. You accept the risks inherent in playing a sport, along with the minor infractions which will be dealt with by the sport regulator, but that doesn't mean you've forfeited all rights. If someone, in the extreme, picked up a chair from the bench and started hitting a down man with it then that is a clear case of criminal action. I'm no lawyer, but I reckon a jaw-shattering punch like this approaches that line. It will make the hearing very interesting.

Remember, Matthews plead guilty to assault in court after hitting Bruns and after his four match suspension. But both the AFL and, I suspect, the law have moved on a long way since then. We could have a completely different result.

 

[Sir_Loin]

so insecure....here: you're right! re: the MRP gradings, does that make you fulfilled now?

my comment wasn't in relation to that so i'll just class you're comment as irrelevant too.

OK explain the relevance to me. Does it make him more or less of a good bloke in your view? Is that it?

 

[SloppyJoe]

No.
The classification of intentional is simply whether Gaff intended to punch/strike Brayshaw.
It's not a case of whether Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw in the mouth, break his jaw and crack 4 teeth. The classification of conduct is simply careless or intentional and this was obviously an intentional effort by Gaff to hit Brayshaw. Where he hit him is not factored in to the classification of conduct. That factors in to the classification of contact ... which in this case is also clearly high.
This attempt by Eagles administration (media) and supporters to pretend that Gaff's strike was not intentional (in the eyes of the AFL MRP and tribunal system) is pathetic at the very least.

There won't be any challenge to the "intentional" classification. Indeed, the head coach has come out and said he thinks Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from.

Gaff will plead guilty.

As a plea in mitigation, I expect Gaff will give evidence that he:
- intended to strike Brayshaw in the chest, not the face/head;
- has never been reported at any level of football (I think this is right, I could be wrong); and
- was targeted throughout the game by Freo players leading up to the event and lashed out in frustration.

The Tribunal will decide if that evidence is credible and, if so, will take it into account in assessing the penalty.

 

[Tulip]

This is the sort of "logic" one has to deal with in the world everyday .....

So if i break your jaw a little bit v break your jaw a lot there is a massive difference between the offences? The actions are hugely different?

One bloke has a harder head or the punch is 1cm further right or whatever .... one guy deserves a panel show and lots of macho ribbing, the other a flogging in the town square and must be made an example to all - won't someone think of the children and all that ... either a punch to the head that breaks a jaw is a hanging offence or it isn't.. surely?

Lol! From 0:45, it was a push gone wrong and that's why people were happy for him to cop three weeks for being naughty and move on. http://www.melbournefc.com.au/video/2017-04-02/rd-2-lewis-hit-on-cripps-sparks-scuffle

 

[Sir_Loin]

There won't be any challenge to the "intentional" classification. Indeed, the head coach has come out and said he thinks Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from.

Gaff will plead guilty.

As a plea in mitigation, I expect Gaff will give evidence that he:
- intended to strike Brayshaw in the chest, not the face/head;
- has never been reported at any level of football (I think this is right, I could be wrong); and
- was targeted throughout the game by Freo players leading up to the event and lashed out in frustration.

The Tribunal will decide if that evidence is credible and, if so, will take it into account in assessing the penalty.

If Gaff has good people around him they’ll instruct him to do the following:

Explain himself (intent v actual)
Enter his previous good record
An apology and acceptance of whatever punishment is handed down

Beyond that he shouldn’t say a thing. There are no mitigating circumstances for what happened.

 

[Peel67skin]

There won't be any challenge to the "intentional" classification. Indeed, the head coach has come out and said he thinks Gaff intended to strike Brayshaw. I'm not sure where you are getting your information from.

Gaff will plead guilty.

As a plea in mitigation, I expect Gaff will give evidence that he:
- intended to strike Brayshaw in the chest, not the face/head;
- has never been reported at any level of football (I think this is right, I could be wrong); and
- was targeted throughout the game by Freo players leading up to the event and lashed out in frustration.

The Tribunal will decide if that evidence is credible and, if so, will take it into account in assessing the penalty.

I take Angus suggestions anything less than 7 weeks is unacceptable.

 

[Carl Spackler]

footy is different to the real world - players throw tummy, chest and throat taps all the time

Actually, a different jurisdiction and quite a while ago, but do you remember when Mike Tyson was being prosecuted for assaulting his then wife, Robin Givens? His sentencing mitigation defense was that he always hit her with an open hand and didn't cause bruising. His lawyers were trying to get the degree of harm from the assault, and therefore the punishment, reduced.

 

[Scotland]

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Initially I thought it was going to be 6-8 weeks - but after listening to all the Helen Lovejoy work in the media the last 24 hours - I think it's going to be 10-12.

Angus has been interviewed now so you can tack on another week or two.

I guess Tomas Bugg is lucky that Callum Mills doesn't have a brother playing at AFL level.

Comfortably the biggest case of trial by media I've seen. If some lowlife journo doorstops Mrs Brayshaw Gaff will get 10 years.