Watters would we be interested?

[estibador]

Here's a post from a Saints website by a guy who is apparently in the know. Doesn't paint a great picture of Watters.

Everyone has been asking me why Watters is no longer coach, what were the reasons behind his sacking.
I won't break any confidence but I will highlight some grabs of some of the articles from journos today, all of these bits are accurate, there is a lot more not reported and better that it doesn't come out.
The club have been measured at not baking Scott in public.

Here are only the truths taken out of each article as reported in the paper:

Jon Ralph - Herald Sun

* In truth it was a decision that had been building for the last six weeks of the season, influenced by poor relationships with players, assistant coaches and the board.
* Right or wrong, St Kilda has lost all faith in Watters.
* In attempting to take control of this club he put too many noses out of joint.
* Assistant coaches said he began taking every facet of training, effectively selecting the team by himself, and all but abandoning match committee at times.
* St Kilda players who had achieved plenty under Ross Lyon felt he gave them no credit for their achievements in that time, as he attempted to rid the club of Lyon's tactics and legacy.
* The whispering campaign became stronger as assistants, football managers and development coaches left the club. Sources within St Kilda were telling the Herald Sun that they held Watters responsible for that exodus.
* Too many believed he did not have an upside as a coach.
* His mixed messages also hurt him.


Sam Edmund and Scott Gullan - Herald Sun

* There were also increasing concerns over his coaching, particularly on match day, where frequently changing tactics and mixed messages were common.
* It came after Thompson’s review of the football department revealed an “endorsement that we have the right people in the right roles”. But in the weeks since the club had become convinced that Watters’ behaviour wasn’t going to change.


Jay Clark - Herald Sun

* Simply, some people felt they could not trust the coach any more. Not his behaviour or his football teachings.
* He assured Saints fans everyone was on the same page at Seaford, but it could not have been further from the truth, following breakdowns in relationships with key football officials and senior players.
* Yesterday may look like a disaster, but the board decided things were only going to get worse had Watters stayed, which is why the trigger was pulled.


Mark Robinson - Herald Sun

* Scott Watters was delusional.
* In the end he was delusional about his power at the club, delusional about his support, and, most importantly, delusional about his standing against the new head of football Chris Pelchen.
* You coach, he was told, and leave the running of the football department to Pelchen. Watters agreed to the "buy-in", but over the next two weeks, continued to act the all-encompassing football coach.
* In effect, Watters couldn't or wouldn't let go.
* It was known that Watters and Pelchen had an uneasy relationship, which affected the large group of support staff.
* It has been said that Watters wasn't too choosy with who he aired his dirty laundry with, which included members of staff, which is always fraught.
* There was also the savaging Watters gave the group after the dwarf fire debacle, which has been described as withering.
* It has also been said Watters address at the club's best and fairest, where he spoke about not accepting mediocrity bemused the gang of 2009 and 2010.
* He played Ahmed Saad at the Gabba in the week it was revealed he'd had tested positive to taking a performance-enhancing drug.
* That's all good, the support of the coach to a player, but it's believed the executive didn't know of the decision.
* Watters' dismissal isn't down to one act or one conversation, it's about a collective which finally skewered him.


Caroline Wilson - The Age

* Watters was placed on a short leash, yet continued to insist he would soon receive the contract extension that had appeared to become an obsession with him. How he could have so misunderstood his position remains a mystery.
* The decision to play Ahmed Saad despite the positive banned substance sample hanging over the club was one example of the coach bypassing process and going to the board.
* That and Watters' tendency to turn to board members as his power base and not his immediate superiors.
* The coach's poor relationship with more experienced players has been well documented and became poisonous after the Mad Monday episode in which certain players not only allowed one dwarf entertainer to be set alight but also hired those entertainers in the first place as a dig at the coach.
* Watters insisted as recently as Friday morning that too much was being read into staff departures when, again, he appears to be in denial. Jaymie Graham chose to return to Perth reportedly for family reasons but other coaches at the club claim he no longer wanted to work with Watters, who lost two high-performance bosses in two years and then, several days ago, Dean Laidley. There were fears more would leave.
* And Watters never became comfortable working in the shadow of Ross Lyon's legacy.
* Even in recent weeks as the fallout from the football review continued the board became aware that younger coaches too often felt they were working in a climate of fear.
* His vision of his own role was of a soccer-style manager who during the season flew to woo players for the future.

 

[couldhavebeen]

St Kilda had in Lyon, one of the best coaches and messed up by taking too long to put a contract in front of him so management at St Kilda to blame so their demise not the coach .

Who would be his likely replacement Harvey who hasn't made the short list anywhere he has applied or Choco .
I don't think Choco Williams wouldn't apply after looking at their list and the best senior assistants are already at other Clubs so maybe Dean Laidley but the list of candidates is going to be a short 1

 

[leeloo]

The stories coming out about him are damning.

If Freo can get someone of Lyon's calibre and still stick to our football department structures, recruiting policy and the like, how does a newbie coach step in and start running the joint like a dictatorship?

 

[estibador]

The stories coming out about him are damning.

If Freo can get someone of Lyon's calibre and still stick to our football department structures, recruiting policy and the like, how does a newbie coach step in and start running the joint like a dictatorship?

Equally damning on the organisational structure and general professionalism of the Saints I think.

 

[estibador]

Let's not forget the Saints president let it slip weeks ago at a luncheon that Watters was going to be sacked, only to back-pedal and say he was making a joke once it hit the media.

That club is a complete circus, and the clowns are running the show.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Watters is another one of the Mick Malthouse Juniors who stank it up as a senior coach. They're falling thick and fast as useless coaches.

 

[greatgatsby]

Watters is another one of the Mick Malthouse Juniors who stank it up as a senior coach. They're falling thick and fast as useless coaches.

Everything about Malthouse is overated, including his capacity to develop assistants capable of taking the next step.

 

[Freo Shark]

Laidley was an assistant of Micks but still he doesnt have a great success rate overall.
CC is better, Chris Scott went on to being a Premiership Coach.

From the above you would have CC as a better developer. I doubt theres much coaching development a Head coach can do with an Assistant. He either has it or not.

 

[Bulldocker]

All our appointments are complete, so are West Coast's. He might take on the Claremont role if he comes back, or get a job on 882.

HELL NO!! If he comes to Claremont..... I'm off. It'll be the Perth Demons for me! Anyway, I'm hoping Harves gives the Claremont job a go on his return to W.A!

Scott was associated with us for a long time.

I remember his MC work in the Billy Walker room post games for years.
He's a Docker and a victim of ST Kilda.

Yeh Fred, and his time as the MC post-match should've given you an insight as to what an arseclown the bloke was (and it was for one season only). Personal tirades from him through the microphone at disgruntled members was my memory of that period. It was the end of post-match appearances by players and coaches. His input was a big factor in that.

Anyway, I have actually heard the real reason he was sacked was because he spat the dummy at the Saints because they refused to widen the doorway of the coaches office after he was unable to fit his head through it anymore!!!

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Dermie rates him up there with Terry Wallace for footballing IQ!

I'm not sure that's a positive

 

[PurpleGreenRed]

Well I must admit he and his panel of coaches certainly blind sided me in trading their up and coming ruckman an recruited an old hack in his place .

Who was the old hack? I thought they had got Billy Longer from Brisbane.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

What's Peter German doing these days? The more I think about it, the more it seems like a trained chimp could have coached that Subi side to a flag.

He's been coaching Williamstown in the VFL for the past few years. They have been reasonably successful, they made the preliminary final this year. He has been appointed coach of the Coburg Tigers for 2014.

 

[Freofalcon]

Can't believe Waters would be disliked. If Dermie and Gossage rate him, he must be a champion bloke.

 

[Freo Shark]

Can't believe Waters would be disliked. If Dermie and Gossage rate him, he must be a champion bloke.

A touch too subtle perhaps.

 

[Freofalcon]

A touch too subtle perhaps.

Did I forget the winky face again?

 

[JunglistPosse]

A big NO from me...do NOT want Beau Waters!!!!!

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Not sure why. He is a former senior coach with experience of rebuilding a list. I would have thought that he is a good fit for them. But I suspect that they will get Robert Harvey which will not work out for either IMHO.

Consider his circumstances when he departed Fremantle and what he said about the manner of it; he milked it for everything.
It is believed he ruled himself out of the Brisbane job because it would have made him look hypocritical by dancing on Voss' grave.
This job at Saints, because of the ruthless method in removing the encumbent would be too close to all that Harvey complained about, to anybody who would listen, when he was axed.

I very much doubt Mark Harvey would even consider it.

Come to think of it Mark Harvey has probably closed a lot of gates for himself in the aftermath of his departure from Fremantle.

 

[Bulldocker]

Consider his circumstances when he departed Fremantle and what he said about the manner of it; he milked it for everything.
It is believed he ruled himself out of the Brisbane job because it would have made him look hypocritical by dancing on Voss' grave.
This job at Saints, because of the ruthless method in removing the encumbent would be too close to all that Harvey complained about, to anybody who would listen, when he was axed.

I very much doubt Mark Harvey would even consider it.

Come to think of it Mark Harvey has probably closed a lot of gates for himself in the aftermath of his departure from Fremantle.

Um, think you may be mixing up your Harveys here Fred. Rob Harvey is yet to coach anyone

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Um, think you may be mixing up your Harveys here Fred. Rob Harvey is yet to coach anyone

I was originally referring to Mark when I said it was the worst possible circumstances for him to take this job.

 

[couldhavebeen]

Jolly was picked up by St Kilda I'm sure

 

[Bulldocker]

I was originally referring to Mark when I said it was the worst possible circumstances for him to take this job.

Yep, I read it again now and realised where you were at . Sorry Fred

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Yep, I read it again now and realised where you were at . Sorry Fred

Even though I don't rate Mark Harvey he is probably what St Kilda need right now.

 

[Bulldocker]

Even though I don't rate Mark Harvey he is probably what St Kilda need right now.

He's not interested. Apparently a much more prized job has been offered ......... New Claremont coach. Wooohoo!!

 

[Fred Ziffel]

He's not interested. Apparently a much more prized job has been offered ......... New Claremont coach. Wooohoo!!

Unfortunately for Mark Harvey, in the AFL these days, coaches being sacked is not an extraordinary event.
Like I said he probably wishes he showed more diplomacy when he got the arse, after all he was paid out in full.
I remember being at a Grand Final lunch at Etihad in 2010 and Harves was one of the speakers; for want of something else to say he unloaded on Fremantle .
The pitiful aspect of it was he was expecting a reaction and in general, support for his condemnation of Fremantle; it was embarrassing at how indifferent the audience was to his story.
As I said above, he has burnt a career bridge. Martyrism sure but the cemeteries are full of martyrs.

 

[mike91]

Watters?

BTW It's Watter's peeps.

If you were truly interested you'd spell his name correctly. I take it as a good sign. We don't need no dill stinking up the coaches box. FFC already gifted him a charity win for his last game as senior coach.

Did you get that picture from KSI?