We need to block for Judd...

[Juddernaut08]

Listening to SEN this morning; and they were talking about how Judd said he's playing almost at full capacity, how people forget he was always a contested ball machine, and basically the only thing missing from his game are his bursts from packs, & tackles...like only Judd can do.

Then they talked about how WC knew how to block for him; and that was pretty much Stenglein's main role; to block would-be tacklers from Judd; to shield, shepherd and put their bodies on the line...something that the whole of the brisbane midfield did in their era of glory.

So it got me thinking. Hopefully our players will start to learn and block for him, and when he gets his full explosion capacity his game will reach that level again. But what sort of hard big bodied players with courage do we have in our team? Who will play the stenglein role. Haddles? Bentick?... Irish?

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

Listening to SEN this morning; and they were talking about how Judd said he's playing almost at full capacity, how people forget he was always a contested ball machine, and basically the only thing missing from his game are his bursts from packs, & tackles...like only Judd can do.

Then they talked about how WC knew how to block for him; and that was pretty much Stenglein's main role; to block would-be tacklers from Judd; to shield, shepherd and put their bodies on the line...something that the whole of the brisbane midfield did in their era of glory.

So it got me thinking. Hopefully our players will start to learn and block for him, and when he gets his full explosion capacity his game will reach that level again. But what sort of hard big bodied players with courage do we have in our team? Who will play the stenglein role. Haddles? Bentick?... Irish?

Big Boy Bentick....when he is not in and under getting the ball out. Which would bring me to think, get both Hadley and Bentick in the squad and they can do this for eachother. Hadley has the bigger body, but pound for pound Bentick could do the job - he's our tough nut!

 

[Bluebear]

So it got me thinking. Hopefully our players will start to learn and block for him, and when he gets his full explosion capacity his game will reach that level again. But what sort of hard big bodied players with courage do we have in our team? Who will play the stenglein role. Haddles? Bentick?... Irish?

I still think that last 5-10% is the actuall "burst" of pace in the first few steps, but you are right, we don't block well enough for him.

Bentick is usually still at the bottom of the pack. The discipline in blocking is that whoever is in the right position......and that means those players around Judd having an awareness of where he wants to run and hence whch player should block who to open up the space........it will come with experience.

WCE didn't do this for Judd for a couple of years. It comes with knowing your teamates and knowing how to help them.

Russ, Carrazz, Bentick, Haddles, Stevo.......whoever is rucking....they can all do it, they just need to know when and have the discipline to look for it all the time.

 

[gbatman]

We aren't blocking for Judd because our ruckmen aren't consistantly winning the ball. Blocking only works if you know where the ball is going.

 

[Sam The Doc]

if they target judd..then it will make life much easier for the rest of our midfielders

 

[Murph is baby Judd]

Hadley has the bigger body

if by bigger body you mean taller, then yes...
but Bentick is much much stronger than Hadley, and has a much bigger body from a conditioning perspective

 

[Big Bad Sammus]

if by bigger body you mean taller, then yes...
but Bentick is much much stronger than Hadley, and has a much bigger body from a conditioning perspective

Nah, I think you'll find that a 190cm @ 88+kgs is a bigger body than a 184cm @ 83+kgs!

That's why when I said 'Pound for Pound' Bentick is the stronger one out of the two - but that's also a display of his rough nut.

 

[bibi01]

we need to be blocking for everyone not just judd.

 

[Murph is baby Judd]

if youre looking at the numbers on the afl page i think youll find they arent very accurate

last i saw, bents was running around the 84-85 mark and hadley was round the 82 mark
it may have changed and i could very well be wrong, but thats where they were at when i last had a look

 

[Marc Shmurf 3]

We aren't blocking for Judd because our ruckmen aren't consistantly winning the ball. Blocking only works if you know where the ball is going.

Excellent post gbatman...

The other issue here is that Judd really didnt have a preseason with the boys to work out strategies on how this can be done. With a full pre season under his belt, another year in the gym for guys like Murphy, Gibbs, Bentick, Hadley etc, we will be able to work out ways for getting the job done properly.

 

[HBF]

Whoever is our main tagger should get the job. My tip would either be Richard Hadley or Jordan Bannister. Both are very well at using their body, however, injuries have curtailed both of their seasons.

 

[Jezza U Beauty]

Let's remember that the Juddmaster has had all of 12 games with our club, and that our coaches have had a whole lot of more fundamental things to work on before being able to spend time on more "fine-tuning" type stuff like blocking for each other.

I'm sure they'll get to it in time and as guys like Murph, Gibbs, Bentick, Wlaker, Haddles and even Armfield get more experience playing as a group Judd may just find himself at the centre of a similarly awesome midfield unit to the one he was involved in at West Coast.

 

[Dustyjackman]

I remember when Diesel Williams first started playing at Carlton the boys were all over the shop as far as knowing where to go, how he thought and positioned himself, and how to best maximize his ball gathering and disposal skills.
Same with Juddy, only just now are they beginning to wake up to his strengths and abilities. Next season, I reckon we can look forward to some awesome displays of burst football from the captain as the boys all really gel together as a well oiled unit.

Personally I can't wait. It's gonna be leg wettin' stuff to watch.

 

[The Coach]

I still think that last 5-10% is the actuall "burst" of pace in the first few steps, but you are right, we don't block well enough for him.

Bentick is usually still at the bottom of the pack. The discipline in blocking is that whoever is in the right position......and that means those players around Judd having an awareness of where he wants to run and hence whch player should block who to open up the space........it will come with experience.

WCE didn't do this for Judd for a couple of years. It comes with knowing your teamates and knowing how to help them.

Russ, Carrazz, Bentick, Haddles, Stevo.......whoever is rucking....they can all do it, they just need to know when and have the discipline to look for it all the time.

BB what about centre bounces when we only have 3(4) in there - if half the time AB is going to be on the bottom of it, are Stevo and even Murph your blocking types?

I think we have to be mindful of what combo we have in there - mostly Juddy and AB (no bias on my part - it is just that it is the main reason he is in team)
When Juddy is not in there Murph must be but the main third man I would like to see in there is Gibbsy, he has all the skills required - creativity, blocking, extracting.

I would prefer to see Eddie in there more than Stevo as I think he could develop the whole package. I am probably being harsh on Stevo as he has fair clearance stats but wonder whether he has been a little scarred by his neck injury. Russell is continuing to develop in around the ground stoppages but needs to improve his handball to get one of the big 3 centre bounce roles.

 

[Bluebear]

BB what about centre bounces when we only have 3(4) in there - if half the time AB is going to be on the bottom of it, are Stevo and even Murph your blocking types?

Exactly my point Five. With rotations these days, they all need to know what to do,not just to block for Judd, but for whoever gets the pill. Judd might need to block for Gibbs.

As someone pointed out, until our ruck is dominating more its a moot point as you can't set up for it, but its more the discipline and concentration of looking for these things that we should be getting right now.

 

[one eyed bluey]

Exactly my point Five. With rotations these days, they all need to know what to do,not just to block for Judd, but for whoever gets the pill. Judd might need to block for Gibbs.

As someone pointed out, until our ruck is dominating more its a moot point as you can't set up for it, but its more the discipline and concentration of looking for these things that we should be getting right now.

Good point, it helps when you have cox palming the ball down your throught....we have to remember Judd came from a WCE midfield with superstars around him like Kerr, Cousins, Cox, embley, with fletcher, braun and stengline helping out as well so he probably had less attention and could get free more often.

But our list is only going to get better, more game time, more cohesion as a team, more understanding of ratts game plan and a premiership will be coming up

 

[The Coach]

Exactly my point Five. With rotations these days, they all need to know what to do,not just to block for Judd, but for whoever gets the pill. Judd might need to block for Gibbs.

As someone pointed out, until our ruck is dominating more its a moot point as you can't set up for it, but its more the discipline and concentration of looking for these things that we should be getting right now.

I suppose my point re Stevo was that I do not think everyone has it in them to master all three components
- positioning/reading skills to get first touch
- reactivity along with bodywork/heart to block for a teammate
- reactivity to provide next option (the easiest of three)

It was interesting when we beat Freo and clearly chose to rove to Sandilands, how well AB and Juddy cleared the ball as they have such good reading skills they don't need a heads up from the ruckman

 

[Blue Dawn]

if youre looking at the numbers on the afl page i think youll find they arent very accurate

last i saw, bents was running around the 84-85 mark and hadley was round the 82 mark
it may have changed and i could very well be wrong, but thats where they were at when i last had a look

Wrong - the CFC site lists him at 88 kgs but it wouldn't surprise me if he was more like 90 kgs - he's a big unit.

I think we'll get better and better at blocking for Juddy as our rucks improve and we get to know his game play better.

 

[thylacine60]

Do you jokers understand where most of this weeks threads have led? Depth talk mostly. ____ing brilliant, eh? Feel like I've come up from under the ocean after holding my breath for 5 years. Sweeeet.

 

[one eyed bluey]

Do you jokers understand where most of this weeks threads have led? Depth talk mostly. ____ing brilliant, eh? Feel like I've come up from under the ocean after holding my breath for 5 years. Sweeeet.

I still can't believe we actually have a functional backline now

It hurts my head when I think back to Livingston, Micky Martin, the constant pros and cons of Big red, Digby Morell...and poor brett thornton battling on his own against big apes....

Thankgod for Jammo and bower, the irishman is placing some solid games down there to.

 

[Murph is baby Judd]

Wrong - the CFC site lists him at 88 kgs but it wouldn't surprise me if he was more like 90 kgs - he's a big unit.

I think we'll get better and better at blocking for Juddy as our rucks improve and we get to know his game play better.

the afl webby is as reliable as as richo taking a set shot from 30 out
but like i said, i may very well be wrong

 

[SA Blueblood]

With all this talk of who is best suited to play the blocking role for Juddy, personally i think it doesn't matter who you are or what size you are, all they have to do is get between Juddy and the tagger. Just causing the tagger to run around you or through you will give Judd ample time to weave his magic. With a young group getting more experience over time this will become a reflex action to all in the team. Juddy will not be the only one to benefit from blocking it should happen to all who has the pill and who's creating the play for us. Obviously getting games into this young team will help with the player's gelling and understanding of each other, therefore all these one percenters will become natural and will turn our team from a good one to a great one.

 

[The Coach]

With all this talk of who is best suited to play the blocking role for Juddy, personally i think it doesn't matter who you are or what size you are, all they have to do is get between Juddy and the tagger. Just causing the tagger to run around you or through you will give Judd ample time to weave his magic. With a young group getting more experience over time this will become a reflex action to all in the team. Juddy will not be the only one to benefit from blocking it should happen to all who has the pill and who's creating the play for us. Obviously getting games into this young team will help with the player's gelling and understanding of each other, therefore all these one percenters will become natural and will turn our team from a good one to a great one.

You really think it is that easy to do?

- you need a very quick reaction time, as quick as Juddy so that while still playing your own game in the bounce you can switch to anticipating Juddy's move faster than his tagger does (who is going to be hot on his heels)

OR

- another way to consistently block for him is to have one of our players tag Juddy at bounces better than his tagger does thus providing a block or have someone tag his tagger to take him off Juddy's tail which is the better option as it is less likely to make things congested around Juddy

This second option more or less leaves you putting all your eggs in the Juddy basket at centre bounces as one man is blocking and most likey one is tagging the opposns gun.

DONT DESPAIR however for there is a third option

- the other obvious way to create Judd after-burner clearances is set plays and as has been mentioned in other posts all you need is a dominant ruck to put these into play!

It of course goes without saying that in all these options that you need bodies willing to take a hit or capable of delivering one

You still think it is easy?

PS: I do however feel he will get his old accelerator pedal back in time and sometimes weave his magic all on his own

 

[Juddernaut08]

Juddy will not be the only one to benefit from blocking it should happen to all who has the pill and who's creating the play for us.

Please, please, please can we NOT block for Carrazzo. If he gets anymore of the ball I'm gonna be sick. Play him as a small defender or a link-man; but please the guy needs to only handball; as his kicking is SH|T!

 

[The Coach]

Please, please, please can we NOT block for Carrazzo. If he gets anymore of the ball I'm gonna be sick. Play him as a small defender or a link-man; but please the guy needs to only handball; as his kicking is SH|T!

But it is not always SH1T as with about 2Q's up forward he was the only forward bar Fev to kick more than a goal
How about you accept the following for getting right off thread

LOL - it was your thread