We Need Waters.

[Johnno22]

I believe that the biggest challenge we face as a club in the future is establishing a strong leadership group.

With the retirement of Glass, Cox, Embley and Kerr over the last two seasons we are left with a young and inexperienced group of leaders and this has the capability to hurt us big time going forward.

Hurn, Mackenzie, Kennedy, Priddis and Selwood all have potential and will grow into the roles but are not quite there yet.

The return to fitness of Waters is paramount and the trading in of a mature leader(maybe Malceski) will determine how we move upwards towards a finals campaign. Waters is the only player that is close to the likes of Hodge, Ablett, Watson and Joel Selwood in presence, inspiration and courage.

What is leadership? One Former AFL coach best clarified the definition when he suggested to the playing group to best understand the term was to substitute the word friend for leader and the word friendship for leadership. In other words the leaders are the friends of the TEAM caring, guiding and feeling responsible for.

Leadership is a behaviour where players push the standards for performance both on and off the field and these attitudes or behaviours generally resonate in better and more consistent results from the team as a whole.

I am not suggesting Waters should be Captain but his presence is definitely are requirement with such a young incumbent group of would be leaders.

Also as previously suggested recruiting in a mature player like Malceski not only for the two or three years of improved skill levels he brings but to guide , inspire and teach what is required to become a strong and successful culture.

 

[The Passenger]

I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we are lacking for on field leadership now that glass and cox have moved on.

For mine Hurn and McKenzie are our go to guys here. Our midfield needs to step up big time in this regard (and many others), whilst JK is too inconsistent for mine up front.

I would've like to see the club throw Darling the role for the final games of the season to see how he responded. It would've been a bold move but one we could back out from easy enough if he didn't handle it.

Trading in a mature player is not a terrible idea, but I just can't see the club doing it whilst we aren't in a serious premiership position. And ff we were to go down that route Malceski is not the sort of player I'd be looking at - We already have over a dozen half back flankers and whilst he would be our best given his current AA status (although I reckon Hurn is every bit as good a footballer as NM), he's hardly the sort of player that shoots a team up the ladder which is what we really need.

In the unlikely event the club goes down this route, the sort of players that we need to be looking at are the likes of Travis Boak, Ryan Griffen, Dan Hennerbery et al. Any "middle of the road" trades we make are unlikely to provide any more than window dressing for mine. You take them if they are beneficial but won't address the real weaknesses of our squad. Of course in the real world none (or very very few) of those sorts of top line players become available, so as much as one would like to dream, it's really a moot point discussing those guys. But if a player like Chapman or Dal Santo came up in this years free agency you'd have to think about taking them on for a couple of years to provide the leadership that you talk about around the packs. Whilst that would be a beneficial move, it still doesn't address the long term issue of top line performers in the midfield, which is by the length of flemington straight our number one problem.

 

[Johnno22]

I don't think any of us are under the illusion that we are lacking for on field leadership now that glass and cox have moved on.

For mine Hurn and McKenzie are our go to guys here. Our midfield needs to step up big time in this regard (and many others), whilst JK is too inconsistent for mine up front.

I would've like to see the club throw Darling the role for the final games of the season to see how he responded. It would've been a bold move but one we could back out from easy enough if he didn't handle it.

Trading in a mature player is not a terrible idea, but I just can't see the club doing it whilst we aren't in a serious premiership position. And ff we were to go down that route Malceski is not the sort of player I'd be looking at - We already have over a dozen half back flankers and whilst he would be our best given his current AA status (although I reckon Hurn is every bit as good a footballer as NM), he's hardly the sort of player that shoots a team up the ladder which is what we really need.

In the unlikely event the club goes down this route, the sort of players that we need to be looking at are the likes of Travis Boak, Ryan Griffen, Dan Hennerbery et al. Any "middle of the road" trades we make are unlikely to provide any more than window dressing for mine. You take them if they are beneficial but won't address the real weaknesses of our squad. Of course in the real world none (or very very few) of those sorts of top line players become available, so as much as one would like to dream, it's really a moot point discussing those guys. But if a player like Chapman or Dal Santo came up in this years free agency you'd have to think about taking them on for a couple of years to provide the leadership that you talk about around the packs. Whilst that would be a beneficial move, it still doesn't address the long term issue of top line performers in the midfield, which is by the length of flemington straight our number one problem.

I was more thinking Malceski as a player from a successful culture as well as his skill base.

 

[ndot]

it will be very interested to see how Simpson uses Waters next year.

Simpson seems to favour good ball users in the backline (ie. Hurn, Bennell, Ellis, etc) and Waters does not fit in that philosophy whatsoever as he is one of the worst kicks of a football currently on an AFL list.

 

[ChampRevesby]

it will be very interested to see how Simpson uses Waters next year.

Simpson seems to favour good ball users in the backline (ie. Hurn, Bennell, Ellis, etc) and Waters does not fit in that philosophy whatsoever as he is one of the worst kicks of a football currently on an AFL list.

His kicking degraded after he started to pick up all his injuries, give the guy a chance to come back and perform. He should be in the team alone for his leadership and toughness which will also free up Hurn, Yeo, Ellis to generate run off half back.

 

[Chris_6678]

Waters bad kicking isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He looked terrible as he wasn't fit and was having a few brain fades late in games. I would use Waters as a utility like we have with Ellis and rotate him around the ground.

 

[kranky al]

Unfortunately at the most inopportune times


Our waters keep breaking




Oh yeahhhhh

 

[Chris_6678]

I do hope he gets another 50 games into him.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Would love to see him as an inside midfielder tbh.

 

[paran]

Waters bad kicking isn't as bad as people make it out to be. He looked terrible as he wasn't fit and was having a few brain fades late in games. I would use Waters as a utility like we have with Ellis and rotate him around the ground.

If I recall correctly he did a fair few kick outs in our GF win, thought he was a brilliant kick then. Seems to look to kick across his body more as he developed and turned into absolute mutton.

 

[bodazoka]

On paper Beau is exactly what we need.. 188cm, 88Kgs, hard as nails, 120 game AA quality 28yr old player. I would want him through the midfield.

 

[Art OF war]

Really like the idea of Waters in a Hff lockdown role. Should be able to take a few kamikaze marks as well. Can always swing him back when needed.

 

[SpaceClef]

Really like the idea of Waters in a Hff lockdown role. Should be able to take a few kamikaze marks as well. Can always swing him back when needed.

Yeah I'd much rather him forward. The kamikaze marks that he doesn't pull off tend to end up in the hands of an opposition crumber whilst Waters picks his bones up off the ground.

I would hope Waters plays some WAFL before coming back in to the side - he's been away for so long, and I imagine he will be quite rusty.

 

[sydney eagle]

On paper Beau is exactly what we need.. 188cm, 88Kgs, hard as nails, 120 game AA quality 28yr old player. I would want him through the midfield.

Sadly I doubt that his body would hold up in a midfield role these days.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I don't think Waters will have any major bearing where our club is heading on the field. If he is fit he will get a game, if he is not then he won't. If we woke up tomorrow morning and he was not on our list it would not change anything.

 

[Johnno22]

I don't think Waters will have any major bearing where our club is heading on the field. If he is fit he will get a game, if he is not then he won't. If we woke up tomorrow morning and he was not on our list it would not change anything.

I think you might be underselling the presence he has, how the others walk taller when he is there and how he stands up when the game is on the line.

He was after all AA in 2012 don't forget.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Throw him forward, he can be our Max Rooke.

 

[jaxxon]

He was excellent up forward in the 2005 preseason (from memory, anyway), played as a lead up forward.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

From a structural perspective Waters does similar things to McGovern, though his kicking isn't as good he gets a lot of the ball of the half back by working higher up the ground. It assists in opening up the ground for us a little more when he's on song, he's also good foil for Hurn.

 

[Ian Dargie]

The return to fitness of Waters is paramount and the trading in of a mature leader(maybe Malceski) will determine how we move upwards towards a finals campaign.

Sorry. What?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Sorry. What?

Malceski wants out of Sydney, looking for dollars, his wife is from Perth.
But think he will go to melbourne and catch up with Roo's.

 

[Ian Dargie]

Malceski wants out of Sydney, looking for dollars, his wife is from Perth.

OK. And why do we want him?

 

[DickDunn]

I believe that the biggest challenge we face as a club in the future is establishing a strong leadership group.

With the retirement of Glass, Cox, Embley and Kerr over the last two seasons we are left with a young and inexperienced group of leaders and this has the capability to hurt us big time going forward.

Hurn, Mackenzie, Kennedy, Priddis and Selwood all have potential and will grow into the roles but are not quite there yet.

The return to fitness of Waters is paramount and the trading in of a mature leader(maybe Malceski) will determine how we move upwards towards a finals campaign. Waters is the only player that is close to the likes of Hodge, Ablett, Watson and Joel Selwood in presence, inspiration and courage.

What is leadership? One Former AFL coach best clarified the definition when he suggested to the playing group to best understand the term was to substitute the word friend for leader and the word friendship for leadership. In other words the leaders are the friends of the TEAM caring, guiding and feeling responsible for.

Leadership is a behaviour where players push the standards for performance both on and off the field and these attitudes or behaviours generally resonate in better and more consistent results from the team as a whole.

I am not suggesting Waters should be Captain but his presence is definitely are requirement with such a young incumbent group of would be leaders.

Also as previously suggested recruiting in a mature player like Malceski not only for the two or three years of improved skill levels he brings but to guide , inspire and teach what is required to become a strong and successful culture.

This is nice and all but it sounds like it was taken from a powerpoint presentation. Waters is no doubt as brave a player as you're ever likely to see and an inspiration to his teammates but to say his presence is a requirement is surely overstating it a little. Unless his body is genuinely up to it, I don't think he should be prolonging his injury-prone career too much longer. Other players should be stepping up to fill the void when it comes to leadership, and it's not hard to see that guys like Priddis and Hurn are already doing that.

Also I'm not entirely sure why people think a 28-year-old Beau Waters moving into our midfield would in any way be a good thing.

 

[HungLong]

Any position where he doesn't have to kick is fine.
Huge liability otherwise.
We're already over our butcher quota.

 

[placebo]

Waters isn't going to make our average midfield any less average.