we will trade for a ready-made forward

[stefoid]

Is this going to be another "3rd rounder for a discard" job, or are we going to get rid of some players and go for quality? I suppose it depends on who is on offer.

Still think we should trade up our first pick to get clarke.
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Dogs seek tall target
04 July 2005 Herald Sun
Mark Stevens

Ruckman: Daniel Bandy, spoiling Justin Peckett yesterday, is not in Rodney Eade's plans for a forward set-up.

The Dogs yesterday again proved their credentials as a classy running team, but with Eade again forced to turn his forward 50 into "land of the smalls" they fell frustratingly short on the scoreboard.

"We'd love some key forwards. In a perfect word, you'd like at least one – maybe two – key targets," Eade said.

"We'll certainly be looking to trade if we can."

Jade Rawlings and Daniel Bandy – once considered key forward prospects – are now not seen as goalkicking options.

Rawlings will remain in defence and Bandy used as a back-up ruckman, but not as a regular forward target.

"Daniel's just been a back-up ruckman. I think people still see him as a key forward," Eade said.

"We'd like him to play forward and Jade as well, but the reality is they're not going to be able to get off their men to have an impact there."

 

[Dry Rot]

So what are the possibilities:

1) "I want to go home or get out of here" eg Barry Hall

Can't think of any developed interstate talls in this position this season


2) "I don't want to play here anymore" eg Ottens

Haven't heard about any developed talls in this position this season


3) "I"m not getting the opportunities I should be" (developed talls) eg perhaps Bradshaw when Lynch was still playing

Can't think of any developed talls in this position this season


So does this really leaves us with only #4?

4) "I"m not getting the opportunities I should be" (developing talls) eg Watts, McDougall etc


in which case we're back to continuing to develop an imported one for 2007, and we will still be in trouble in 2006.

And in 2006, the position of Grant uncertain, Darcy is returning from a major knee injury and there are some dark clouds over Rawlings' knees. We'll still be in the poo using a small forward line.

Thoughts?

 

[HK_Bulldog]

Eade is a pretty astute trader. In his time in Sydney, he has traded for some very good players. Schwass, Williams, Hall, Schauble, Maxfield have all be effective. Only thing is, he paid a high price for them.
In fact, I can't really think of anyone he's picked up from another club who has been a dud.

 

[ErnieSigley]

Is this going to be another "3rd rounder for a discard" job, or are we going to get rid of some players and go for quality? I suppose it depends on who is on offer.

Still think we should trade up our first pick to get clarke.

Make some suggestions
So trade who to get another developing tall (Clarke) who wouldn't solve our problems short term anyway.

Fortunately a 3rd round is all we should spend. Why get rid of top picks when its cost us in the past. If we used these 1st and 2nd round picks on talls in the past we wouldn't be in this dilemma.

Go for value like Podsiadly. How old was Delre when he was brought back to the club after he played under 19s? He gave us a few years good service.

You want something long term and quality, you draft and develop them.

 

[ErnieSigley]

Eade is a pretty astute trader. In his time in Sydney, he has traded for some very good players. Schwass, Williams, Hall, Schauble, Maxfield have all be effective. Only thing is, he paid a high price for them.
In fact, I can't really think of anyone he's picked up from another club who has been a dud.

1. Daffy
Very different circumstances anyway, Swans were the AFL darlings.

 

[Ipaidmy200in89]

Oh how I wish Tom Williams was fit!!

 

[saha]

We can trade for a ready-made forward, however we also can get a bargain pick up in th trade in the name of James Podsiadly. First season playing consistently down at Full-forward for Werribee, 'Pods' as he is known as, has kicked 54 in 12 matches, leading the VFL comp by something like 15-20 goals.

He would be great value and in my view, would be the biggest bargain for a long long time.

 

[bulldogtragic]

Podsiadly Vs Mal Michael

Scarlett, Leppitsch, Schauble, Presti and everyone else main FB. What do you think?

 

[Spiritof82]

1. Daffy
Very different circumstances anyway, Swans were the AFL darlings.

WERE the AFL darlings, think this is an understatement, the AFL still underwrites everything they do and assists them with recruiting big name players for cheap prices, gotta do everything to support Sydney. This is the problem we have, the AFL, no matter what they say in public don't want us to survive, they just want that second Sydney team and they will only lend token assistance to us.

 

[footscray1973]

There's another option.... from The Age last week....

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Don't call us, we'll call you
By Stephen Rielly
July 1, 2005



In late May, a fanciful and yet curious suggestion about Warren Tredrea began to circulate throughout the football intelligence network.

It was not that Tredrea was mistakenly thought to be coming out of contract at the season's end - he signed a deal that tied him to Alberton until the end of 2007 - but that he was disgruntled and, remarkably, might want to leave Port.

According to some of the people within football who make it their business to observe and infiltrate their opposition, in mid-May Tredrea was savaged by coach Mark Williams after the team's loss to Sydney, singled out for blame after being comprehensively beaten by Leo Barry.

"The finger was pointed at him. He was baked and he wasn't happy about it," one insider said.

In itself, this amounted to little more than mildly interesting gossip. The relationship between a footballer and coach, even the best of both, is bound to have its combustible moments.

But by the month's end, after Port embarrassed itself against West Coast in Perth with a performance that offered the strongest encouragement to believe the premier was in disarray, Williams' pointed criticism was being reconsidered as one of a series of events that could make sense of the suggestion that Tredrea was deeply unhappy.

By this time, it was scarcely a secret that the four-time All-Australian forward was bitterly disappointed over the decision to reappoint Matthew Primus captain for another season.

In the prime of his career, Tredrea felt ready to succeed the club's popular and long-standing captain, who, at 30, was returning to the game after playing only 10matches in two seasons because of injury. After all, Tredrea had led the side to its first premiership in Primus' absence and is unquestionably its best player.

Whether Tredrea was explicitly promised the position by Williams immediately after the premiership success, he understood he would captain the team in his own right this year. Deepening his disillusionment was the manner in which Primus' reappointment was eventually determined.

"Warren wasn't asked if he would like to do the job, he was told he would be doing it, but this was before 'Choco' had spoken to Matty," one source said.

"Matty went to Choco and asked to keep it. Choco asked him about the pressure of trying to get back and leading and Matty said, 'No, I don't just want it, I need it. I thrive on being captain and it will help my footy.' At that point Choco was in a bind. This was in October.

"Then, in December, Choco met again with 'Tredders' and Matty. Again Matty said he needed it and Warren reminded the coach of his promise. After that, Choco decided not to make a decision until February.

"So, unable to make a decision, Choco got the team leadership group to vote on who would be the better captain. The result was that the only vote Tredders got was his own."

If this straw poll was clumsy and potentially divisive, it was made to appear even more so in an early-season match when Tredrea and a former Port Adelaide player, now with another club, crossed each other on the field.

One version of the exchange that took place between them has it that Tredrea, after receiving some unsolicited advice, facetiously asked his former teammate where his premiership medal was.

The player, knowing of the captaincy poll, turned to several Port players in the vicinity and urged them to tell Tredrea what they really thought of him.

Tredrea's strongest supporters acknowledge that his quest for perfection is uncompromising (even more reason for Williams' SCG attack to sting). He finds it difficult to abide those who give less than everything of themselves and is driven - some would say rigidly obsessed - so that the joys others pursue he is prone to consider wasteful distractions.

This dedication has enabled him to become Port's most important player but never its most popular.

The likes of Michael Wilson and Kane Cornes might share Tredrea's belief in the virtues of self-sacrifice and wholesome dedication, but many more get to the line each week in more relaxed fashion and resent that they are judged or even snubbed by Tredrea for doing so.

It is believed that Tredrea and Brett Montgomery, for instance, are on cold terms for this reason.

" 'Monty' is seen, and other players would agree with this, as getting a good run from the coach," one Port insider said.

Another source familiar with the change-room dynamic said: "Warren is going to have to confront the perception of the players, he knows it but doesn't agree with it, that he is aloof. He is considered stand-offish by the group.

"Like most things in life, the truth is somewhere between the two views. He doesn't go out drinking with the players, he isn't a player who will cut corners on the training track or away from the club with his diet and that doesn't sit well with blokes who want to be blokes, who want to be lads.

"Warren could do more to bridge the gap that exists between him and many of the other players, by socialising with them more. But at the same time there would be a dozen players in the place who could improve themselves by looking at how Warren prepares and dedicates himself to his football.

"The bottom line is that Warren is a very proud but also stubborn guy and you've got the larrikins within the playing group who have the balance of power or are influential in setting the mood of the place."

According to several observers, it was the combination of this fractious change-room environment, the handling of the captaincy appointment, that effectively resulted in the senior players within the team voting against one of their own.

There was also a sense Tredrea felt of being held accountable for a season then careering out of control that so interested others in May and, to at least one Port figure, culminated in his lairish performance against Hawthorn.

Tredrea kicked seven goals in the 117-point rout but goaded the opposition and celebrated his goals with something close to narcissistic pleasure.

"That was definitely a part of his reaction to the situation he's in," the club figure said.

"He knows he's the best player in the team. He knows he's shouldered a lot of the responsibility for the performance of the club. So he decided to celebrate when he played well, to show the coach who is really doing what."
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As to what we would have to give up to even get Port or Tredrea to consider a move.... our first three draft picks + the first born sons of Darcy, Grant, Johnson?? Aaah well, it was a nice dream, until I considered the reality .

 

[Ipaidmy200in89]

There is no one. Others than Adam Morgan type hail mary's.

Once you make a mistake like Jade Rawlings you live with it for many years.........

 

[Dry Rot]

There's another option....
As to what we would have to give up to even get Port or Tredrea to consider a move.... our first three draft picks + the first born sons of Darcy, Grant, Johnson?? Aaah well, it was a nice dream, until I considered the reality .

From the article, it will be Tredrea's decision to go. But Port are not the easiest side to trade with. And they'll want a lot for a top CHF.

If we want, and/or have the opportunity, to get a Tredrea or Pavlich type then it will be very, very expensive.

I don't think it will be measured in picks - they'll want Cooney or Griffen.

Would you do it? Sounds like Tredrea could become available (NB vote of Port players told him something)

 

[Bulldog1954]

Tredrea will be at Port next year, he is the best player in the comp and is the main reason Port are a great side. Without him they wouldn't be a premiership threat, it would be like us trading Granty in 97 or 98. He may be a knob, but Port would never ever trade him. If they did they wouldn't ask for Cooney or Griffen, they'd ask for Cooney and Griffen.

 

[bullish23]

Tredrea will be at Port next year, he is the best player in the comp and is the main reason Port are a great side. Without him they wouldn't be a premiership threat, it would be like us trading Granty in 97 or 98. He may be a knob, but Port would never ever trade him. If they did they wouldn't ask for Cooney or Griffen, they'd ask for Cooney and Griffen.

His father was also a port player. Will never leave the power.

 

[ThePope]

I've heard that there's a guy down Geelong way who can kick a few goals... name's Duck, Swan or Goose or something similar.

 

[stefoid]

just because 'pods' plays for weribee, we arent entitled to special consideration to draft him, are we?

we would have to compete for his services along with all the other clubs, if there would be any competition that is.

clarke: does he have talent, that is the thing. because if he does, I can see a 197cm, 90-something kilo forward having a fair impact in his first season.

 

[Tracey_gow]

Put Morgan up fwd. I guess i would like to see this new kid williams play

and Walsh

 

[The Doctor]

clarke: does he have talent, that is the thing. because if he does, I can see a 197cm, 90-something kilo forward having a fair impact in his first season.

what did you think of Clarke's performances at the nationals?

 

[GoAds]

This is a cross post I made from the Lance Whitnall thread

Here is my list of possibly half decent attainable tall forwards (in no order)

McDougall (Would he leave WA?)
Justin Longmuir (if he kicked straight)
Fergus Watts
Toby Thurstans (Seems out of favour at Port, looked at potential star end of 2004 season)
Matt McCarthy (will struggle for a game behind kingsley, Ottens, Playfair)
Mark Bolton (essendon have plenty, best of ordinary bunch)
Whitnall (Carlton will want quality midfielder for him)

For mine Thurstans is a standout and McCarthy is the next best option. And neither would cost too much. Both have upside, and still relatively young
Thurstans is a 24 year old Victorian
McCarthy is 23
The question is, is Pods better than McCarthy??

 

[stefoid]

what did you think of Clarke's performances at the nationals?

I heard his first game he sooked a bit because his midfield couldnt get it down to him.

havent looked into his subsequent games. what were they like?

 

[stefoid]

nobody who cant kick straight and who isnt a half decent contested mark!!!

In another thread, I floated the idea that Ray mightnt be that unhappy with going back to WA. Im not saying he is unhappy or anything like that, just that going through a list of quality players of a type that we have plenty of, his name would come into it, wouldnt it?

 

[bogan4life]

Podsiadly Vs Mal Michael

Scarlett, Leppitsch, Schauble, Presti and everyone else main FB. What do you think?

They will be on Darcy so we wont worry about that.

Pods is doing better then any other Tall that would be a option if they come from a Vic club as the im not getin a go option.

our 4th ro 5th pick would get him.

 

[ErnieSigley]

nobody who cant kick straight and who isnt a half decent contested mark!!!

Going for a trade we straight away know there will at least one suspect quality about the player. Wouldn't any club want to keep a player that can kick and mark?
We can't afford mercenaries or an Angwin.

 

[stefoid]

Going for a trade we straight away know there will at least one suspect quality about the player. Wouldn't any club want to keep a player that can kick and mark?
We can't afford mercenaries or an Angwin.

attitude
homesickness
one-position player who cant break into the side (lack of opportunity)
terrible below knees


actually, sounds a bit like fergus watts

 

[bulldogtragic]

I like the idea of MacDougall. What the rating and stats on Thurstans. Size, agility and all that stuff? The rest on the list look like bad investments.