We Will Use Pick 8 On.....

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Shaun McKernan

Let me just say that I'm not a watcher of U/18's footy so this is not opinion based on what I have seen. Instead it comes from putting together information gathered from different sources, i.e. Drafts and Trading Board & media commentators. Here are the reasons why I think we will go this way:

Firstly there is all this talk that Port are interested in Vickery as they need a young ruckman so that pretty much rules him out, unless Port decide to go with a midfielder and gamble on getting a ruckman in later rounds. Even if they trade their pick to the Eagles to get Kerr, it is likely that the Eagles would pick Vickery as understudy to Cox seeing as they will probably take Rich with pick 2.

Secondly, he fills a hole in our list. Most people believe we need another KP forward. McKernan could slot in well at CHF with Hughes at FF and Riewoldt roaming around as the 3rd tall who can take a grab in the F50 or can lead up depending on the situation. Finding a CHF is paramount to our future.

Thirdly, Trengrove has had injury concerns which may see CC & FJ look towards a safer option. McKernan as far as I'm aware does not have any concerns regarding injuires.

Finally, as much as we would all like to go with a Sidebottom or Ziebell or Yarran type, I keep reading that there is not a lot of depth in this draft in terms of quality talls, yet there is plenty regarding midfielders. By securing a quality tall early on we address a list need and can then use the rest of our picks to add depth to other areas by picking the best kid available with each pick.

Again this is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree if you like, just keep it clean, I'm not looking to start flame wars with anyone. I just want to have a discussion as I think this is our most important pick we have had since Wallace has been at the club.

 

[The Cotch]

If we pick McKernan I'll vomit.

That means we've let slip one of, Naitanui, Watts, Rich, Hurley, Hartlett, Ziebell, Sidebottom, Vickery.

End the thread now, won't happen. Maybe in Miller's time, but not now.

Pick 8 regardless of list deficiencies should ALWAYS be on best kid available.

 

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If we pick McKernan I'll vomit.

That means we've let slip one of, Naitanui, Watts, Rich, Hurley, Hartlett, Ziebell, Sidebottom, Vickery.

End the thread now, won't happen. Maybe in Miller's time, but not now.

Pick 8 regardless of list deficiencies should ALWAYS be on best kid available.

I'm not saying that I want him, just saying what I think the club will do. Which is unfortunate. I know you have been leading the call for either Vickery/Trengrove and I would be very pleased if we were to get either, but I just got this uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that says we will go this way. I hope I'm wrong though.

 

[krustyman]

Hopefully they wont get a dud!

 

[The Cotch]

I'm not saying that I want him, just saying what I think the club will do. Which is unfortunate. I know you have been leading the call for either Vickery/Trengrove and I would be very pleased if we were to get either, but I just got this uneasy feeling in the pit of my stomach that says we will go this way. I hope I'm wrong though.

Rest easy. Jackson whos what he's doing. Just look at our last 2 drafts. Faultless, is the way to describe them.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

I don't like forming opinions on forum information when it comes to drafting... I'm pretty sure you don't either, so I'm a tad confused why you'd make a thread about this!

I agree, this is probably our most important pick since Wallace took over.

We simply must pick a very good player who fills a gap in our list.

A gun CHF or Ruck/forward is absolutely paramount to our success.

 

[Bojangles17]

Is interesting the balance of opinion from FJ and CC where they feel we need to fill voids as I reckon sound cases could be made for an extra class mid or a an extra class KPP...may very well come down to who remains at pick 8 as it could be someone like sidey v ?? KPP

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Rest easy. Jackson whos what he's doing. Just look at our last 2 drafts. Faultless, is the way to describe them.

A lot of people are saying this but I hate to remind everyone that FJ was responsible for selecting JON.

He didn't have a full 12 months to prepare for the 2005 draft, so it's fair to cut him a little slack.

But he hasn't been "faultless".

First thing he did was pick JON.

 

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I don't like forming opinions on forum information when it comes to drafting... I'm pretty sure you don't either, so I'm a tad confused why you'd make a thread about this!

Again, this is not what I want, it is just what I feel will happen. As I said in the OP we would all prefer to get a Sidebottom/Ziebell/Hartlett/Yarran midfield type or a Vickery/Trengrove quality tall.

 

[Crumden]

We'll go best available with our first pick then fill list needs with later picks. That's how we've gone about it the last few years and I don't see it changing this year.

 

[krustyman]

We'll go best available with our first pick then fill list needs with later picks. That's how we've gone about it the last few years and I don't see it changing this year.

unless the best available is a stand out, they need to change that practice and recruit players that they need rather than overcrowding the midfield and half back lines. they have too many of those type of players and need to get rid of some from the list because they cant fit into the side.

 

[Love The Game]

Shaun McKernan

Let me just say that I'm not a watcher of U/18's footy so this is not opinion based on what I have seen. Instead it comes from putting together information gathered from different sources, i.e. Drafts and Trading Board & media commentators. Here are the reasons why I think we will go this way:

Firstly there is all this talk that Port are interested in Vickery as they need a young ruckman so that pretty much rules him out, unless Port decide to go with a midfielder and gamble on getting a ruckman in later rounds. Even if they trade their pick to the Eagles to get Kerr, it is likely that the Eagles would pick Vickery as understudy to Cox seeing as they will probably take Rich with pick 2.

Secondly, he fills a hole in our list. Most people believe we need another KP forward. McKernan could slot in well at CHF with Hughes at FF and Riewoldt roaming around as the 3rd tall who can take a grab in the F50 or can lead up depending on the situation. Finding a CHF is paramount to our future.

Thirdly, Trengrove has had injury concerns which may see CC & FJ look towards a safer option. McKernan as far as I'm aware does not have any concerns regarding injuires.

Finally, as much as we would all like to go with a Sidebottom or Ziebell or Yarran type, I keep reading that there is not a lot of depth in this draft in terms of quality talls, yet there is plenty regarding midfielders. By securing a quality tall early on we address a list need and can then use the rest of our picks to add depth to other areas by picking the best kid available with each pick.

Again this is just my opinion, so feel free to disagree if you like, just keep it clean, I'm not looking to start flame wars with anyone. I just want to have a discussion as I think this is our most important pick we have had since Wallace has been at the club.

I do see your point. thou i have a funny feeling we will go short not tall as there are so many good smalls at pick 8.

 

[Love The Game]

West Coast and Geelong's grand final wins were with average forward line, great mids and good backline.

We have a good backline all we need to make is a super elite midfield with a talented mid from this draft.

Lids, Foley, Cotch, Tuck, White, Edwards and Pick 8 (Hamish Hartlett / Jack Ziebell / Sam Blease). Would be nice depth.

 

[bigstyletiger]

West Coast and Geelong's grand final wins were with average forward line, great mids and good backline.

We have a good backline all we need to make is a super elite midfield with a talented mid from this draft.

Lids, Foley, Cotch, Tuck, White, Edwards and Pick 8 (Hamish Hartlett / Jack Ziebell / Sam Blease). Would be nice depth.

Today was a clear case of the midfield and defense wins you premierships. Neither sides key forwards did much due to the quality of the defense and the defensive pressure of the midfields.

If we can strengthen our midfield and backline then it should give our forwards every chance. I still think we are missing a quality small forward. Rioli was responsbible for getting the Hawks back in the game today. His repeat efforts, forward line pressure and ability to win contests he has no right to are instrumental.

 

[cormick]

Today was a clear case of the midfield and defense wins you premierships. Neither sides key forwards did much due to the quality of the defense and the defensive pressure of the midfields.

If we can strengthen our midfield and backline then it should give our forwards every chance. I still think we are missing a quality small forward. Rioli was responsbible for getting the Hawks back in the game today. His repeat efforts, forward line pressure and ability to win contests he has no right to are instrumental.

I have a long running argument with my mate about that, and I'm happy others agree that forwards don't win premierships.

Are you interested in Yarran?
Or Jetta?

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Today was a clear case of the midfield and defense wins you premierships. Neither sides key forwards did much due to the quality of the defense and the defensive pressure of the midfields.

If we can strengthen our midfield and backline then it should give our forwards every chance. I still think we are missing a quality small forward. Rioli was responsbible for getting the Hawks back in the game today. His repeat efforts, forward line pressure and ability to win contests he has no right to are instrumental.

Really? Does it? What was wrong with the Bulldogs then?

 

[Rancid_Beasties]

Really? Does it? What was wrong with the Bulldogs then?

Its one thing to have an average forwardline, its another to have NO tall forwards whatsoever. You need at least 2 tall forwards in your best 22, even if one is a resting ruckman. They dont have to be good, they just need to provide a contest. The doggies, after continually trying to get someone of this ilk still have zilch! Their forwardline is full of midsized forwards, and half of them are utility/resting forwards. Against geelong, they played welsh, higgins, brad johnson, akermanis and hahn up forward...what the hell is that? They have a completely unbalanced list, 1 short in terms of tall defenders, 3 short in terms of tall forwards and an immense oversupply of medium forwards and rebounding defenders.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Its one thing to have an average forwardline, its another to have NO tall forwards whatsoever. You need at least 2 tall forwards in your best 22, even if one is a resting ruckman. They dont have to be good, they just need to provide a contest. The doggies, after continually trying to get someone of this ilk still have zilch! Their forwardline is full of midsized forwards, and half of them are utility/resting forwards. Against geelong, they played welsh, higgins, brad johnson, akermanis and hahn up forward...what the hell is that? They have a completely unbalanced list, 1 short in terms of tall defenders, 3 short in terms of tall forwards and an immense oversupply of medium forwards and rebounding defenders.

I'll tell your right now, you can't get away with an average or no forward line. Hawthorn have Buddy, Roughead, Williams, Rioli. Thats hardly an average forward line. Even Geelong had Mooney, Ottens, Chapman, Johnson last year.

Name one premiership team with an average/no forward line. Although, the forward line is getting easier and easier to play though with these shit new "interpretations" coming in.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Midfield, midfield, midfield!

Hawthorn have Buddy and Roughead - how much impact did they have on the game?

Midfielders win premierships! Midfielders win premierships! Midfielders win premierships!

What did the ruckmen of both sides do today to influence the result?

Absolutely nothing!

Midfielders win premierships - and strong backlines mop up the mess when your midfielders make mistakes

 

[HBK619]

Honestly I really hope we don't go for McKernan, see him as turning into a Patto, and not that I don't love Patto, we can't afford to have 2 of them, and not only that using a Top 10 pick on a player without a proper position is exactly what has wronged us in the past.

Safest option first, so either best available player, or best KP forward.

 

[Tiger08]

With Sidebottom's great game the other night putting him probably into the top eight. I'm starting to think we might end up with Hartlett which could be an excellent result. Looking at his youtube highlights, the kid doesn't lose his feet, has good skills, core strength, plays in and under. Question mark seems to be pace which might be why he falls to us. We've got plenty of pace.. hope we take him if available.

 

[richoatthedisco]

If he wasn't Corey's little brother you'd swear McKernan was Polak's.

 

[The Dice Man]

Bit silly to suggest hawthorn's tall fowards didnt effect them winning the game. While they may have had little impact in the actual game, their contribution throughout the year would go a long way to helping them actually reach that game.

 

[French Tiger]

Midfield, midfield, midfield!

Hawthorn have Buddy and Roughead - how much impact did they have on the game?

Midfielders win premierships! Midfielders win premierships! Midfielders win premierships!

What did the ruckmen of both sides do today to influence the result?

Absolutely nothing!

Midfielders win premierships - and strong backlines mop up the mess when your midfielders make mistakes

I tend to think Geelong would have won if they had a decent forward & not Mooney & Lonegan

 

[Kyusss]

think mckernan will go between 12-20