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GentlemanJeff said:
Jeffrey's playing future has been severely damaged by an egomaniac Chairman, who sacked Jeffrey by riding roughshot over Connoly and the match committee.
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if infact Jeff's playing future has been several damaged it is no one elses fault expect himself. Surely you can see this??

No one it to blame except himself for going to an establishment in which he was banned by the club to go to, no one but himself if to blame for him getting in a fight and being arrested and finally no one but himself is to blame for him not contacting the club in regards to him being arrested.

The club has been very supportive of Farmer and CC has stuck his neck out for him on more than one occasions. Sooner or later Jeff was going to have to be held accountable for his own mistakes and he can't blame anyone but himself for that.

I think you will find most of the people agreeing with the decision are big Jeffrey fans but it doesn't mean we agree with him putting himself before the club time after time. Sooner or later the club had to make a decsion and all we can hope is that Jeffrey has learnt from his mistakes (finally)!!
 
GentlemanJeff said:
Yes but Pistol17 you are making those comments with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

The fact is, what is there were circumstances which meant Jeffrey couldnt contact the club? The FFC board would have looked very foolish for flying of half cocked the way they did. This is the point Belnakor is making.
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Did they or did they not make the right call?? Thats all that matters here.
 
Cameron_K said:
Did they or did they not make the right call?? Thats all that matters here.
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I think they did make the right call. Whether there were circumstances or not I find it hard to believe he couldnt have rang the club from the police station when he was arrested. He could have easily contacted someone from there and in fact his phone was working as he sent a text message to Heath Black a few hours before the game.
 

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Belnakor said:
The problem i have, is that for all the board knew, Jeffrey was walking past the club, and a bouncer mouthed off at him from across the street about his daughter, and "gentleman" jeff went across to speak to the bouncer, and a heated confrontation took place. The bouncer then told police Jeffrey was drunk. During the fight Jeffrey's phone was unfortunately damaged, and soon after Jeffrey had to attend to a family emergency. Now thats a load of crap, but the fact is the board didn't know the circumstances. All they went on was hearsay.

The problems i have are 2 fold:

1) What is missing in my genetics and education that I have trouble grasping the most simple concepts even whey they are patiently explained by numerous others?
2) That everyone has stopped taking me seriously.
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Belnakor said:
The problem i have, is that for all the board knew, Jeffrey was walking past the club, and a bouncer mouthed off at him from across the street about his daughter, and "gentleman" jeff went across to speak to the bouncer, and a heated confrontation took place. The bouncer then told police Jeffrey was drunk. During the fight Jeffrey's phone was unfortunately damaged, and soon after Jeffrey had to attend to a family emergency. Now thats a load of crap, but the fact is the board didn't know the circumstances. All they went on was hearsay.

The problems i have are 2 fold:

1) Why are the board dishing out punishments to players, when that should be CC and the leadership group's decisions? Does the board think they are more suited for player discipline?
2) The board did not speak to Jeffrey before announcing to the media they had suspended him for 6 weeks. I think this was simply unfair. The suspension may have been warranted, but like everything, you need to hear both sides of the story. It was a huge knee jerk reaction. If Jeffrey was uncontactable they should have either tracked him down, or said the decision was pending.
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Why do you not understand that the punishment was for breaking TEAM rules, AGAIN, and had very little to do with the incident with the bouncer? Rick said several times (in an interview on Fox on the day in question)that the assault was to be dealt with by the courts and not the FFC. This point has been made by several people earlier but you seem unable to grasp this concept, as pointed out by Dr Ralph.
 
fd369 said:
Why do you not understand that the punishment was for breaking TEAM rules, AGAIN, and had very little to do with the incident with the bouncer? Rick said several times (in an interview on Fox on the day in question)that the assault was to be dealt with by the courts and not the FFC. This point has been made by several people earlier but you seem unable to grasp this concept, as pointed out by Dr Ralph.
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I don't care what type of rules he broke. He was punished without anyone hearing his side of the story, and the punishment was decided by people who i believe should not have made the decision. If it was team rules, the TEAM should have decided the punishment, not the board.
 
Belnakor said:
I don't care what type of rules he broke. He was punished without anyone hearing his side of the story, and the punishment was decided by people who i believe should not have made the decision. If it was team rules, the TEAM should have decided the punishment, not the board.
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Find me any organisation in which they get all the employees together to discuss suspending one of their own. The decision will always go to the heads of department/board.
 
Fact 1 - Arrested for assault.Confirmed by police.
Fact 2 - In Northbridge. Team/Club rule- no go zone.
Fact 3 - Prior history breaking Team/Club rules this season.
Fact 4 - Game day, Maccas' 200th

Why would they bother asking the players what they think? The board is there to make decisions and the players there to win games. Swift decisive action by the club. Finished all over, nothing to see here move on. Now is that clear enough for you?
 
GentlemanJeff said:
This is not about what Jeffrey did, its about the fact that he wansnt afforded procedural fairness by the board.
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What was there to be fair about, he ****ed up and would not even contact the board the day after. What was the club suppose to say when they spoke to the media, sorry we can't punish him he won't even return our calls. :rolleyes:
 
Cameron_K said:
What was there to be fair about, he ****ed up and would not even contact the board the day after. What was the club suppose to say when they spoke to the media, sorry we can't punish him he won't even return our calls. :rolleyes:
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they could have said we are waiting to get into contact with him, and he is suspended indefinately until we get the full story from him. I just didn't like the way it was dealt with. It was sloppy, and could have very easily blown up in the face of the freo football club, and that is my concern with all of this.
 

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See where I see it different and believe the club did a great job of getting on the front foot and squashing the issue before it turned into a huge story.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
dissapointing comment pistol, the circus created by Rick Hart made the issue into a huge story.

The WCE board most probably would have gone to ground in similar circumstances.
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Oh dear. Are you seriously suggesting that the WC board handles these type of player issues better? If Hart had not acted swiftly the media circus would have rivalled Cirque de Sollei (spelling).

Farmer created the circus by breaking team rules in such a public manner. As a high profile player it would always be big news, especially given his extensive history. Any attempt to shift the blame from Farmer for his own actions is ridiculous.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
dissapointing comment pistol, the circus created by Rick Hart made the issue into a huge story.

The WCE board most probably would have gone to ground in similar circumstances.
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If we were winning games of footy would we even be commenting on the Farmer suspension? Id probably say we wouldnt. FFC did the right thing by suspending Farmer, should they have told Jeff before informing the media/public? Maybe, maybe not. As ive said before, Jeff was uncontactable and couldnt be told of his suspension. He could have rang the club at anytime that day, he was able to sms Heath Black so why couldnt he give CC, Rick Hart or anyone a call to let them know he was arrested instead of the board hearing it on the radio. Rick Hart rang every board member to discuss what they should do, he also consulted CC, the match committee and the leadership group.

It may have been handled better but he f..ked up and deserves his punishment.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
dissapointing comment pistol, the circus created by Rick Hart made the issue into a huge story.

The WCE board most probably would have gone to ground in similar circumstances.
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My recollection was that it was already a big story (I woke up to hearing it on the 6AM ABC news) probably before Rick Hart even knew of it.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
I seems to me that WCE board have a pretty tight grip on what goes in and out of The West.

I am open to correction on this point.
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You ride too many horses. You don't think the board should interfere with some things, but they should with others.

The media is peopled with ex-WC players and supporters. If it is news to you that the media has gone easy on them, then you are a little behind the times. Perhaps having won premierships, that's to be expected. In contrast, last year the media ran a get rid of Connolly campaign.

I think it is the wrong thing for their Board to do if they have tried to hide Fletcher, Kerr, Cousins, Embley, Chick, Gardiner, Lynch and Sampi's issues. It has given a clear sense of approval to poor behaviour, and by the number of players spinning into trouble, has multiplied the problem. Far better to acknowledge them and try to deal with them swiftly.
 

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GentlemanJeff said:
That is just a foolish comment. Its better to expose players to a media frenzy? to the media scrum? to the filth and sleaze of Adrian Barich?
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The Board, Connolly, Hart etc did not put Farmer's actions into the media. Farmer's actions and arrest were already public and attracting a media frenzy. No matter what course of action followed, a media frenzy was "in progress", and Farmer had initiated it by his actions.
 
GentlemanJeff said:
You are effectively saying that a club should surrender issues of player rehabilitation to the media scrum.

Very unproffessional gav56.
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I find it better to let people actually say the things that they think, rather than having other people say what they think they are saying. I'm not saying that in anyway. You are running a line that suits your argument, attributing it to me, and bringing your credibility even closer to zero.
 

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