Weaver Phantom Draft Mark 3

[YAKUZA]

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Originally posted by Weaver

Farren Ray, I am on record as saying I straight out don't like his type of player. I'll stick with that. There are downhill skiers, and then there are downhill skiers. He is a weak-bodied, forward of the ball, selfish, flair player.

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And I suppose that apart from being some sort of self appointed expert you were a tough inside midfielder when you played, that's if you played at all.
To assess a young player like that when you have seen him play how many games? is beyond belief.
As I have said before you are a goose who hasn't got a clue when it comes to WA kids and going on the comments by many of the Victorian based punters your knowledge of them isn't much better.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

A very good effort. Agree with a fair bit of it. Obviously you did it based on teams needs - something I don't tend to look at. So it's interesting to get a different perspective.

Just on Hawthorn - we are after a KPP and a type of player we don't want to reveal, but there are only 1 or 2 of them in the draft. I'm pretty sure that's either a small forward or ruckman (was said before we traded Loats).

I think Clarke, Ray, Dyson, Stewart and in particular Trotter will got higher.

I doubt Proctor will get picked up, nothing special about him, gathers a lot of possessions but how effective are they?

Hawthorn might take a ruck with their first selection, Dubienicki is as good a punt as anyone. Willoughby will be a forward pocket if he makes it I think - could be the answer to our small forward problems, although we might look at Dean Chester, Harry Miller and Steven Kenna as well.

Disagree on Foley and Chidlow, Foley's disposal by foot can be poor, and Chidlow is very small. We will go for bigger bodies I reckon.

Some others who weren't there that I have in mine at the moment are Clifton, Dawson, Weinert, Ryan Murphy, Bartel, Batson, Adam Jordan, Ryswyk, Luke Jackson and Gilmour.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by marcuz
I have them down for Dyson at 13...Just for the fact that sheeds is big on what kids may turn into rather than what they are. Dyson Has a ****load of potential and i think Dodoro and sheedy would love the challenge. IMO Dyson has more upside to his game than most of the top 10

Let's hope he's not another McAlister or Davies or Bolton.

 

[marcuz]

Let's hope he's not another McAlister or Davies or Bolton.

Twice the player any of those guys are...but saying that my left nut is twice the player those guys are. He was all australian as well so he has performed at the highest level possible that those kids can play at...none of those guys were....

Davies played for mostly for Xavier and had a couple of Tac cup games from what i recall.

Bolton was a weird one..picked because we needed KP players yet he played most of the year for eastern on a wing.

McAlister???...Lets just say Noel Judkins would still have nightmares about pick 5..in '96

 

[Bomber12]

As for Calder? I'll stick by my opinion and eat humble pie on draft day if need be. Clifton and Silvester are the only two I would consider unlucky, but there are only 65 spots up for grabs and the thought that 12 should go to one team is a bit OTT.

I cant understand why u continue to say that having 8 or so drafted is over the top, in the past 2 years cannons have had 15 players drafted, why?? becuase they have alot of players that can fit into AFL lists. You are all about "what clubs need" clubs aren't goin to say ohh s*it we cant draft this bloke cannons have already had 7 drafted, if a player is good enough to be drafted he will be it wont depend on how many players have previously been drafted from the team. How many times have you seen them play?? i bet not as half as many as AFL recruitment staff. ive watched quite a few games this yr and there are that many more scouts at a cannons game then almost any other team!!. i just cant see how a premiership team can only have 4 players drafted compared to previous years where they have played in gradfinals they have had 7-8 players taken.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by marcuz
Davies played for mostly for Xavier and had a couple of Tac cup games from what i recall.

Richards was the same, I think.

 

[marcuz]

Yup...and Davies was considered the better footballer...he has all the attributes...speed and skill....Teddy has none of those but he has heart and a tremendous work ethic...if James davies had half the heart ted does he would be playing wing/half back in the seniors instead of playing for bendigo.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by marcuz
Yup...and Davies was considered the better footballer...he has all the attributes...speed and skill....Teddy has none of those but he has heart and a tremendous work ethic...if James davies had half the heart ted does he would be playing wing/half back in the seniors instead of playing for bendigo.

Davies' problem is that he can't find the ball. Just doesn't read the play well.

 

[marcuz]

Davies' problem is that he can't find the ball. Just doesn't read the play well.

I disagree to a certain extent..IMO he is being played out of position..he averages about 14-15 touches off half-back with a minding job on somebody. He averaged a ****load of touches for Xavier playing on-ball. I say if we are to keep him next year play him in his ideal spot and see if he can show something.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by marcuz
I disagree to a certain extent..IMO he is being played out of position..he averages about 14-15 touches off half-back with a minding job on somebody. He averaged a ****load of touches for Xavier playing on-ball. I say if we are to keep him next year play him in his ideal spot and see if he can show something.

I think he was played across HB this year because he wasn't doing enough on a wing and through the midfield last year. For a player of his pace, he doesn't get to the contests often enough and either win his own ball or get the receive. I think he was played at HB so that he can be led to the contest and then he can try to gain possession.

 

[Bomber12]

Originally posted by Stevo
Davies' problem is that he can't find the ball. Just doesn't read the play well.

and hes as soft as warm butter

 

[marcuz]

He is definately a wasted talent...wake up Jimmy b4 you end up spending the rest of ya career at old Xavs

 

[FIGJAM]

Thanks Weaver. A couple of questions and/or statements if I may:

Originally posted by Weaver
17. Mathew Spencer - Collingwood

Collingwood have two wingers to come via F/S and have a ruckman in T.Cloke next year. My guess is that they will take a KP player. Spencer is too short to ruck. Will be converted into a KF. This is one guy who might go this early or might be overlooked. Interesting to watch.

I haven't heard anything about him. Can you advise me of his height and weight. If he ain't solid, we ain't going there!

Ideally we want one of the two Bushranger KP defenders to slide through.

Originally posted by Weaver
32. Brayden Shaw - Collingwood

Outside winger via FS. Tends to kick off his toes and as a result too many of his passes fade late or become half volleys or hook late. 32 is about right for him so not a great steal.

Disagree. Whilst not "silky" Brayden's kicking is very competent. He gets enough of it to "clang" it every now and then, but he generally uses it very well (from what I've seen and from what regular trackwatchers have stated). He'd be worth a first round to early second round pick at worst.

Originally posted by Weaver
35. Jed Adcock - Collingwood

I love Jedda. Tough little goer who is hard at it and can do a job on a player. Drives his team with hi willpower. May lack bulk and class but I would be tempted to reach for him and Collingwood prefer footballers to athletes.

I like that you've picked kids that I haven't even heard of yet (or saw and didn't remember) as it gives me a chance to learn about them.

Can you describe him a bit? Luke Shakleton is a tough little goer. In fact, we have a number of tough inside mids, but most with limited speed.

What we genuinely need with this pick, is a very quick link up man with decent finishing skills. Either that, or a fairly solid inside KP forward (which is what T'Cloke will be).

Originally posted by Weaver
64. Clinton Proctor - Collingwood

Pure speed, not much size. At this stage you're happy to take guys who even have one trick.

Slight of frame is a no-no.

We're 5 down after the trading period. I'd suggest that we'll leave a space open for the pre-season draft, unless the kid is a Judkins smokey or is Tenace and accidentally slipped through to here (note: Judkins smokey slightly more likely).

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Bomber12
I cant understand why u continue to say that having 8 or so drafted is over the top, in the past 2 years cannons have had 15 players drafted, why?? becuase they have alot of players that can fit into AFL lists. You are all about "what clubs need" clubs aren't goin to say ohh s*it we cant draft this bloke cannons have already had 7 drafted, if a player is good enough to be drafted he will be it wont depend on how many players have previously been drafted from the team. How many times have you seen them play?? i bet not as half as many as AFL recruitment staff. ive watched quite a few games this yr and there are that many more scouts at a cannons game then almost any other team!!. i just cant see how a premiership team can only have 4 players drafted compared to previous years where they have played in gradfinals they have had 7-8 players taken.

Because the reason Calder was so special this year IMHO was not their stars but rather their discipline under Rob Hyde and their depth. Usually the final 6-8 players picked at TAC level are just good local kids, where as Calder had a 22 filled with good players. They didn't have a weak link or reliance on one or two blokes.

I have about 16 Calder players in the mix to get picked up. However, I too would say only McLean, Clifton, Dawson and Bentick are probables rather than possibles. Most likely another 3-4 will go onto rookie lists and a couple can play TAC Cup again next year (along with Betts, Smith and May!)

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by marcuz
I dont think he will be big enough to be a KPP. Have a lot of his type. Just got rid of Jacobs...add McPhee, Bolton, Richards, Solomon, Welsh and the like as well as the established wellman.

From what I've seen of him, he could be likened to a much quicker Jacobs, or a more close-checking Wellman. I wouldn't really put him in the same category as McPhee, Bolton, Solomon, or Welsh who are all more of a midfielder type.

With Hunt and Henneman as prospects for the key defensive post, Mundy could be the option for post-Wellman days.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by FIGJAM

Can you describe him a bit? Luke Shakleton is a tough little goer. In fact, we have a number of tough inside mids, but most with limited speed.

Jed Adcock is a good player. Does all the hard things but has the pace and finishing skills to play on a wing as well. I rate him very highly indeed - would be a good pick at 35.

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Because the reason Calder was so special this year IMHO was not their stars but rather their discipline under Rob Hyde and their depth. Usually the final 6-8 players picked at TAC level are just good local kids, where as Calder had a 22 filled with good players. They didn't have a weak link or reliance on one or two blokes.

I have about 16 Calder players in the mix to get picked up. However, I too would say only McLean, Clifton, Dawson and Bentick are probables rather than possibles. Most likely another 3-4 will go onto rookie lists and a couple can play TAC Cup again next year (along with Betts, Smith and May!)

The romantic in Sheeds will be itching to get Goullet onto the rookie list.

 

[GOALden Hawk]

Originally posted by Stevo
The romantic in Sheeds will be itching to get Goullet onto the rookie list.

But what about Ezard and Hartigan?

 

[Stevo]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
But what about Ezard and Hartigan?

You can't have 'em all... And when it's Essendon's second greatest player ever against a couple of "ordinary players", it's rather obvious who will be the first choice.

 

[DaveW]

Originally posted by Weaver
the Swans are saying they will only use 3 picks.

Bit off topic, but... where did they say this? (Maybe someone can point me to a thread on this)

If that's the case they'll have effectively given away Scott Stevens to merely upgrade their 2nd and 3rd picks by two spots... i.e. virtually nothing.

 

[Stevo]

Re: Re: Weaver Phantom Draft Mark 3

Originally posted by DaveW
Bit off topic, but... where did they say this? (Maybe someone can point me to a thread on this)

If that's the case they'll have effectively given away Scott Stevens to merely upgrade their 2nd and 3rd picks by two spots... i.e. virtually nothing.

Perhaps they were going to delist him anyway...

 

[FIGJAM]

Originally posted by GOALden Hawk
Jed Adcock is a good player. Does all the hard things but has the pace and finishing skills to play on a wing as well. I rate him very highly indeed - would be a good pick at 35.

All you needed was to say "pace" and I'd be happy with that selection!

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Originally posted by YAKUZA
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Originally posted by Weaver

Farren Ray, I am on record as saying I straight out don't like his type of player. I'll stick with that. There are downhill skiers, and then there are downhill skiers. He is a weak-bodied, forward of the ball, selfish, flair player.

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And I suppose that apart from being some sort of self appointed expert you were a tough inside midfielder when you played, that's if you played at all.
To assess a young player like that when you have seen him play how many games? is beyond belief.
As I have said before you are a goose who hasn't got a clue when it comes to WA kids and going on the comments by many of the Victorian based punters your knowledge of them isn't much better.

perhaps you can give your expert opinion on victorian kids.whats the bet you wouldnt even come close.

cheers!

 

[dasler]

Originally posted by tiger of old
perhaps you can give your expert opinion on victorian kids.whats the bet you wouldnt even come close.

cheers!

Some people call it trolling tiger, but we won't go there

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by Bomber12
I cant understand why u continue to say that having 8 or so drafted is over the top, in the past 2 years cannons have had 15 players drafted,

I said that 12 was OTT, not 8. Furthermore Calder have had 12 kids taken in the draft in the last 2 years not 15.

i just cant see how a premiership team can only have 4 players drafted compared to previous years where they have played in gradfinals they have had 7-8 players taken.

Calder had 5 taken after their 2001 premiership and 7 taken last year. Those teams had some outstading players (Reilly, Rodan and Kelly) and some great athletes (Nixon, Sipthorp, Murphy, Crowley). This team doesn't have the same player types.