Week five review

[X_box_X]

The sudden emergence of the Golden State Warriors has a lot of fans wondering how far they can go this season. At three wins and nine losses, it looked an all too familiar story for Baron Davis and his Warriors, but six undefeated games later, the Warriors are one of the form teams of the competition.

Along with Davis, Stephen Jackson, Andris Bedrins, Al Harrington and Monta Ellis have found some super form.

The performance of the week goes to Chris Paul, who led his team to an overtime victory against Dallas. The star Point Guard shot 33 points, laid off 13 assists, grabbed down nine boards and had three steals. The victory keeps the Hornets in the top four with a 12-6 record.

Week five results
Utah 109 – 113 New York
3 votes: C. Boozer (UTA)
2 votes: D. Williams (UTA)
1 vote: Z. Randolph (NYK)

Minnesota 103 – 94 New Orleans
3 votes: C. Paul (NOH)
2 votes: S. Telfair (MIN)
1 vote: M. Jaric (MIN)

Washington 110 – 98 Dallas
3 votes: D. Nowitzki (DAL)
2 votes: C. Butler (WAS)
1 vote: A. Jamison (WAS)

San Antonio 99 – 112 Sacramento
3 votes: B. Miller (SAC)
2 votes: B. Udrih (SAC)
1 vote: R. Artest (SAC)

Orlando 85 – 74 Portland
3 votes: H. Turkoglu (ORL)
2 votes: R. Lewis (ORL)
1 vote: M. Webster (POR)

Phoenix 114 – 129 Golden State
3 votes: B. Davis (GSW)
2 votes: S. Jackson (GSW)
1 vote: M. Ellis (GSW)

Houston 88 – 71 LA Clippers
3 votes: T. McGrady (HOU)
2 votes: R. Alston (HOU)
1 vote: C. Maggette (LAC)

Boston 104 – 109 Cleveland
3 votes: L. James (CLE)
2 votes: R. Allen (BOS)
1 vote: Z. Ilgauskas (CLE)

Memphis 110 – 103 New Jersey
3 votes: V. Carter (NJN)
2 votes: J. Kidd (NJN)
1 vote: R. Jefferson (NJN)

Charlotte 90 – 110 Miami
3 votes: R. Davis (MIA)
2 votes: R. Felton (CHA)
1 vote: S. O’Neal (MIA)

Philadelphia 114 – 99 Milwaukee
3 votes: A. Miller (PHI)
2 votes: A. Iguodala (PHI)
1 vote: S. Dalembert (PHI)

Atlanta 78 – 90 Chicago
3 votes: L. Deng (CHI)
2 votes: B. Gordon (CHI)
1 vote: J. Johnson (ATL)

Indiana 112 – 110 Denver
3 votes: A. Iverson (DEN)
2 votes: A. Carter (DEN)
1 vote: M. Dunleavy (IND)

Seattle 99 – 106 LA Lakers
3 votes: K. Bryant (LAL)
2 votes: E. Watson (SEA)
1 vote: K. Durant (SEA)

Utah 106 – 95 Philadelphia
3 votes: D. Williams (UTA)
2 votes: C. Boozer (UTA)
1 vote: L. Williams (PHI)

Memphis 91 – 103 Toronto
3 votes: A. Parker (TOR)
2 votes: J. Calderon (TOR)
1 vote: K. Lowry (MEM)

Milwaukee 80 – 96 Atlanta
3 votes: A. Bogut (MIL)
2 votes: J. Smith (ATL)
1 vote: M. Williams (MIL)

Cleveland 74 – 109 Detroit
3 votes: R. Hamilton (DET)
2 votes: A. McDyess (DET)
1 vote: T. Prince (DET)

Washington 94 – 109 San Antonio
3 votes: T. Parker (SAS)
2 votes: B. Haywood (WAS)
1 vote: T. Duncan (SAS)

Minnesota 103 – 109 Dallas
3 votes: A. Jefferson (MIN)
2 votes: D. Nowitzki (DAL)
1 vote: D. Harris (DAL)

Houston 100 – 94 Phoenix
3 votes: S. Marion (PHO)
2 votes: Y. Ming (HOU)
1 vote: S. Nash (PHO)

Golden State 103 – 96 Sacramento
3 votes: K. Martin (SAC)
2 votes: A. Biedrins (GSW)
1 vote: S. Jackson (GSW)

Indiana 95 – 89 Portland
3 votes: M. Dunleavy (IND)
2 votes: D. Granger (IND)
1 vote: J. Tinsley (IND)

Orlando 110 – 94 Seattle
3 votes: D. Howard (ORL)
2 votes: H. Turkoglu (ORL)
1 vote: K. Durant (SEA)

New York 59 – 104 Boston
3 votes: P. Pierce (BOS)
2 votes: R. Allen (BOS)
1 vote: E. House (BOS)

Denver 99 – 127 LA Lakers
3 votes: K. Bryant (LAL)
2 votes: C. Anthony (DEN)
1 vote: A. Iverson (DEN)

Houston 94 – 113 Golden State
3 votes: B. Davis (GSW)
2 votes: S. Jackson (GSW)
1 vote: M. Ellis (GSW)

Cleveland 82 – 91 Toronto
3 votes: D. Gooden (CLE)
2 votes: D. Gibson (CLE)
1 vote: C. Delfino (TOR)

Washington 84 – 85 Philadelphia
3 votes: S. Dalembert (PHI)
2 votes: A. Miller (PHI)
1 vote: C. Butler (WAS)

Milwaukee 88 – 91 New York
3 votes: J. Crawford (NYK)
2 votes: Z. Randolph (NYK)
1 vote: M. Redd (MIL)

New Orleans 92 – 86 Atlanta
3 votes: D. West (NOH)
2 votes: C. Paul (NOH)
1 vote: A. Horford (ATL)

Boston 95 – 85 Miami
3 votes: J. Williams (MIA)
2 votes: P. Pierce (BOS)
1 vote: K. Garnett (BOS)

San Antonio 106 – 91 Minnesota
3 votes: M. Ginobli (SAS)
2 votes: T. Duncan (SAS)
1 vote: A. Jefferson (MIN )

Portland 80 – 91 Dallas
3 votes: L. Aldridge (POR)
2 votes: J. Howard (DAL)
1 vote: J. Terry (DAL)

Orlando 106 – 110 Phoenix
3 votes: H. Turkoglu (ORL)
2 votes: D. Howard (ORL)
1 vote: S. Nash (PHO)

Indiana 93 – 95 Seattle
3 votes: K. Durant (SEA)
2 votes: J. O’Neal (IND)
1 vote: D. Granger (IND)

LA Lakers 96 – 120 Utah
3 votes: A. Kirilenko (UTA)
2 votes: K. Bryant (LAL)
1 vote: D. Williams (UTA)

LA Clippers 107 – 123 Denver
3 votes: C. Anthony (DEN)
2 votes: C. Maggette (LAC)
1 vote: A. Iverson (DEN)

Toronto 97 – 101 Washington
3 votes: C. Butler (WAS)
2 votes: A. Jamison (WAS)
1 vote: J. Moon (TOR)

Philadelphia 92 – 94 New Jersey
3 votes: J. Kidd (NJN)
2 votes: A. Iguodala (PHI)
1 vote: V. Carter (NJN)

Minnesota 80 – 109 Memphis
3 votes: M. Miller (MEM)
2 votes: D. Stoudamire (MEM)
1 vote: S. Swift (MEM)

Dallas 108 – 112 New Orleans
3 votes: C. Paul (NOH)
2 votes: T. Chandler (NOH)
1 vote: J. Terry (DAL)

Detroit 117 – 91 Milwaukee
3 votes: J. Maxiell (DET)
2 votes: C. Billups (DET)
1 vote: R. Wallace (DET)

Charlotte 95 – 111 Chicago
3 votes: B. Gordon (CHI)
2 votes: B. Wallace (CHI)
1 vote: E. Okafor (CHA)

Houston 99 – 107 Sacramento
3 votes: T. McGrady (HOU)
2 votes: R. Artest (SAC)
1 vote: Y. Ming (HOU)

Cleveland 70 – 80 Boston
3 votes: R. Allen (BOS)
2 votes: Z. Ilgauskas (CLE)
1 vote: K. Garnett (BOS)

Indiana 101 – 95 LA Clippers
3 votes: C. Kaman (LAC)
2 votes: J. Tinsley (IND)
1 vote: J. O’Neal (IND)

Portland 79 – 100 San Antonio
3 votes: T. Parker (SAS)
2 votes: T. Outlaw (POR)
1 vote: B. Barry (SAS)

New Jersey 95 – 118 Detroit
3 votes: J. Kidd (NJN)
2 votes: R. Jefferson (NJN)
1 vote: J. Maxiell (DET)

Phoenix 115 – 104 New York
3 votes: G. Hill (PHO)
2 votes: A. Stoudemire (PHO)
1 vote: Q. Richardson (NYK)

Miami 89 – 115 Denver
3 votes: C. Anthony (DEN)
2 votes: K. Martin (DEN)
1 vote: M. Camby (DEN)

Golden State 109 – 96 Seattle
3 votes: A. Biedrins (GSW)
2 votes: B. Davis (GSW)
1 vote: M. Ellis (GSW)

Orlando 104 – 97 LA Lakers
3 votes: K. Bryant (LAL)
2 votes: L. Odom (LAL)
1 vote: H. Turkoglu (ORL)

Player of the Year
Kobe Bryant (LAL) 40
Dwight Howard (ORL) 38
Lebron James (CLE) 37
Kevin Garnett (BOS) 33
Chris Paul (NOH) 33
Carlos Boozer (UTA) 31
Jason Kidd (NJN) 30
Baron Davis (GSW) 29
Yao Ming (HOU) 29
Carmelo Anthony (DEN) 29

Team of the Week
SF: Caron Butler
PF: Shawn Marion
C: Dwight Howard
SG: Kobe Bryant
PG: Chris Paul
Sixth man : Manu Ginobli

Power rankings
1) San Antonio (15-3)
2) Boston (14-2)
3) Phoenix (13-4)
4) Orlando (15-4)
5) Dallas (11-6)
6) Utah (12-5)
7) Detroit (11-5)
8) New Orleans (12-6)
9) Denver (11-7)
10) Houston (9-9)
11) Cleveland (9-9)
12) Toronto (10-8)
13) Golden State (9-7)
14) LA Lakers (9-8)
15) Washington (8-9)
16) New Jersey (8-9)
17) Indiana (9-9)
18) Atlanta (7-9)
19) Milwaukee (7-8)
20) Chicago (4-10)
21) Sacramento (6-10)
22) Miami (4-12)
23) LA Clippers (6-9)
24) Charlotte (6-10)
25) Memphis (6-11)
26) New York (5-11)
27) Portland (6-12)
28) Philadelphia (5-12)
29) Seattle (3-15)
30) Minnesota (2-3)

 

[mdc]

I'm confused. How can you give 3/2/1 without actually watching every game?

And there's a few too many there for you to have watched them all...

 

[sheller891]

I'm confused. How can you give 3/2/1 without actually watching every game?

And there's a few too many there for you to have watched them all...

i guess he readers match reports, looks at stats, and maybe forums or something to get a view of the 3-2-1

 

[Borgsta]

A 30 and 23 game doesnt get you MVP for the game?

 

[X_box_X]

A 30 and 23 game doesnt get you MVP for the game?

Eight turnovers and bad shooting from the free throw line loses him votes.

And as Sheller indicated, I read match reports and stats to cast my votes.

 

[thewhippersnapper]

Washington 110 – 98 Dallas
3 votes: D. Nowitzki (DAL)
2 votes: C. Butler (WAS)
1 vote: A. Jamison (WAS)

No way Dirk beats Butler in that match. Caron had 35 pts (on 76% shooting and 5/5 3PM) 8 rebounds and 2 steals.

 

[X_box_X]

No way Dirk beats Butler in that match. Caron had 35 pts (on 76% shooting and 5/5 3PM) 8 rebounds and 2 steals.

Mate, that's very close. I remember that one being extremely hard to compare. I wouldn't say "no way Dirk beats Butler".

Dirk had 31 points himself and shot accurately too. He had just as many boards as Caron and an extra four assists. Also two less turnovers.

Looking at the stats again, I probably could have given Caron the three for his five treys, but it's extremely close nonetheless.

 

[sheller891]

Mate, that's very close. I remember that one being extremely hard to compare. I wouldn't say "no way Dirk beats Butler".

Dirk had 31 points himself and shot accurately too. He had just as many boards as Caron and an extra four assists. Also two less turnovers.

Looking at the stats again, I probably could have given Caron the three for his five treys, but it's extremely close nonetheless.

washington won though

tough decision

kobe sneaking under the radar
hell finish with 29,5,5 this year and if lakers keep playing like they are
hes a def mvp chance
they just need 50 wins IMO for him to get it

 

[jerry springer]

great effort xbox,pretty hard to do every game but youve done pretty well

where is manu in your list?from his season id thought he might have enough votes to get into the top 10 or be just outside it

 

[X_box_X]

great effort xbox,pretty hard to do every game but youve done pretty well

where is manu in your list?from his season id thought he might have enough votes to get into the top 10 or be just outside it

SAS
T. Duncan 25
M. Ginobli 24
T. Parker 23
F. Elson 1
B. Bowen 1
M. Finley 1
B. Barry 1

 

[jerry springer]

SAS
T. Duncan 25
M. Ginobli 24
T. Parker 23
F. Elson 1
B. Bowen 1
M. Finley 1
B. Barry 1

sweet,looks pretty fair,bit hard to crack it with 3 good players stealing votes off each other

 

[mdc]

And as Sheller indicated, I read match reports and stats to cast my votes.

I don't know, seems a little bit pointless to me. Very hard to tell from a boxscore who was the best player.

As an example, I watched that Howard 30/23 game, and he was the best player on the floor by miles. Like, it wasn't even close.

Same thing goes for Manu - he's won several games for them singlehandedly - stuff that just doesn't show up in stats.

Each to their own I guess.

 

[X_box_X]

I don't know, seems a little bit pointless to me. Very hard to tell from a boxscore who was the best player.

As an example, I watched that Howard 30/23 game, and he was the best player on the floor by miles. Like, it wasn't even close.

Same thing goes for Manu - he's won several games for them singlehandedly - stuff that just doesn't show up in stats.

Each to their own I guess.

I agree with what you're saying. However, it would be unfair for me to not take stats into account for only the games I watch. I thought Redd was the match-winner yesterday and won the game for them when a champion needed to step up in the final quarter, however, going by stats, I have to give the three to Bogut.

 

[mdc]

I agree with what you're saying. However, it would be unfair for me to not take stats into account for only the games I watch. I thought Redd was the match-winner yesterday and won the game for them when a champion needed to step up in the final quarter, however, going by stats, I have to give the three to Bogut.

Why? After all basketball is about what happens on the court, not on the stat sheet. If you thought Redd was best, why not give it to Redd...

I don't mean to single you out, but the obsession with traditional NBA stats like pts/asts/rebs drives me a little crazy at times. Like Parker winning the finals MVP last year just because he led the team in scoring, when Duncan's presence is what allows him to score so easily in the first place.

There are tons of useful stats in basketball, but they only really apply over good sample sizes. There's just no way you can tell how well someone played in a single game without watching it.

My 2c

 

[sheller891]

Why? After all basketball is about what happens on the court, not on the stat sheet. If you thought Redd was best, why not give it to Redd...

I don't mean to single you out, but the obsession with traditional NBA stats like pts/asts/rebs drives me a little crazy at times. Like Parker winning the finals MVP last year just because he led the team in scoring, when Duncan's presence is what allows him to score so easily in the first place.

There are tons of useful stats in basketball, but they only really apply over good sample sizes. There's just no way you can tell how well someone played in a single game without watching it.

My 2c

i agree with you to an extent
but stats are important none the less
even if redd won them the game at the end
if bogut was better for 1st 3 quarters, he deserves the 3

 

[mdc]

i agree with you to an extent
but stats are important none the less
even if redd won them the game at the end
if bogut was better for 1st 3 quarters, he deserves the 3

That's not stats though - that's saying Bogut was the best player in the first 3 quarters. I'm talking about watching the entire game.

 

[X_box_X]

That's not stats though - that's saying Bogut was the best player in the first 3 quarters. I'm talking about watching the entire game.

The only way your opinion has any merit is if I watch every single game. That's not going to happen, so I have to be fair for all players, every game, every day - give consistent votes the same time, every time. That means not casting votes differently for games I watch and for most of the other games where I review stats.

 

[eathb]

Nuggets should be around the 10-15 mark.

When George Karl gets fired, they'll spike to top 5.

 

[mdc]

The only way your opinion has any merit is if I watch every single game. That's not going to happen, so I have to be fair for all players, every game, every day - give consistent votes the same time, every time. That means not casting votes differently for games I watch and for most of the other games where I review stats.

I completely understand that - but why not cast votes on a monthly basis? Why do you need to cast votes every game?