Well done

[MrMeaner]

Hi all,

I'm a Port supporter wanting to congratulate you guys on a great win. Winners all over the ground. Your defence was particularly awesome. I think that that was where you won it.

One query that I have is with David Neitz. This is going to sound a little silly as he kicked a bag, but hear me out. I thought that he was disappointing. When the game was there to be won, he contributed very little (by that, I mean he did not take the game by the throat as you would expect a star to). It was only when Melbourne were running rampant and the game was over, that he started to dominate (ie putting the score on the board, as he took a few marks earlier in the game).

I don't see many Melbourne games, so I was wondering if this is a common theme running through his career.

BTW I expect quite a few of you to disagree with my assessment of Neitz's game but I don't mean this as a troll, so laying off the abuse would be appreciated.

 

[StingaArmstrong]

You make a fairly valid point, but its not as if he didnt dominate early, he had a couple of shots in the third but missed them and then he kicked a crucial goal from a hard angle. The thing about neitz though is that he always competes and creates space for other players like your Bruces Daveys and Yzes. Its not all about taking marks and kicking goals.

 

[MrMeaner]

Fair point. What I guess I was saying was that I thought that when the game was in the balance his missed his shorts for goal. When the pressure was off, he was kicking them more regularly.

It may have just been coincidence.

 

[melbournemartin]

i think that nietz is more vital to melbourne than any other player is to his club

when i say that i dont take into account his role as captain either

i think in the second half his 5 goals realli set up that win.

also i think that it was a mistake to play bishop on him from the start.

wakelin would have been a better option

you have a great team but a key defender to replace paxman and help the ageing wakelin would be good

anyway good luck vs doggies next week in adelaide... i'd tip you especially in adelaide but doggies are on the up

 

[The Shev]

Good points you made, so relax we're not going to bite your head off. We're happy!



He kicked the first goal but then missed a few. In the third quarter he missed a couple which could have broke the game open, but he made up by kicking some at the end of the third. Then he finished it off in the last with some more goals. I think he scored some important ones.

 

[BT]

I agree it wasn't one of his better games, but he did kick the vital goal & 6.4 would be a blinder for most blokes.

He's usually pretty handy.

 

[MrMeaner]

Thanks guys.

Melbournemartian, most Port fans would agree with you that Bishop on Neitz was a big mistake. Bishop should only ever take the third tall forward. We have got a replacement for Pacco in defence, Cornes. He has been brilliant in the first three games and we really missed him on Saturday.

Also agree BT that 6.4 would be considered a blinder for most players (including Tredrea). I guess it is just that we tend to hold some players up to a much higher standard and thus perceptions get skewed.

 

[Port1978]

Yes, well done Melbourne.....once again you beat us in Melbourne....

 

[Paralowiepower]

Yes well done Dees

 

[BT]

Cheers guys!

Us Dee fans know enough about Bish to know that he was never gonig to be strong enough for Neeta (or Dutchy). His strength is his mobility so he would've been better off swapping with Wakelin much earlier. Bish was ideally suited to Brad Miller I'd have thought. Shame for Bish because I am a fan.

 

[Paralowiepower]

The problem is Wakelin is too slow for Nietz, at best and at the moment is till underdone coming back from injury. As soon as Chad Cornes was ruled out we knew we would have problems. Lets hope we put on a better display in the return leg.

 

[_espoir]

Originally posted by Paralowiepower
The problem is Wakelin is too slow for Nietz, at best and at the moment is till underdone coming back from injury. As soon as Chad Cornes was ruled out we knew we would have problems. Lets hope we put on a better display in the return leg.

Wakes to slow acts to "tough"... Bishop ..fast but not strong.

Chad= marker/fast/strong .... trained as a forward, very good in denfence.

only hope is chad

other wise... Nietz just too darn good, always been impressive and stronger than our backmen... well done dees, fab game Nietz!

 

[melbournemartin]

forgot bout cornes a bit

but would cornes have lined up on neitz diectly of just played a floating role in defense and helped out bishop or wakelin...who every got the job

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by melbournemartin
also i think that it was a mistake to play bishop on him from the start.

With 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter Neitz had 1 goal and 4 disposals. At that time you'd say Bishop was winning the contest. Its just that in the next 15 minutes Neitz kicked 4 goals.

wakelin would have been a better option

Disagree. Neitz has given Wakelin a bath in the past 3 or 4 games before Saturdays. 18 goals in the last 4 matches before Saturday. The move had to be made.

Chad Cornes would have been the perfect match up for him but he pulled out just before the match. Is just as strong as Neitz and just as quick. Would have definately given him a run for his money.

[/quote]you have a great team but a key defender to replace paxman and help the ageing wakelin would be good[/quote]

His name is Chad Cornes and he didnt play. We have some promising key defenders waiting in the wings that will cement themselves over hte next year or two. Gilham, Chaplin and Pettigrew.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by melbournemartin
forgot bout cornes a bit

but would cornes have lined up on neitz diectly of just played a floating role in defense and helped out bishop or wakelin...who every got the job

My opinion on what would have happened is this:

Cornes would have directly got Neitz. Cornes is equally as strong and equally as quick as Neitz and would have been the prime match up.

Wakelin would have got Holland. Neither player is overly quick and they are both about as strong as each other.

Bishop to play on Miller. Miller is mobile but isnt as quick as Bishop but probably a little stronger.


Bishop isnt anywhere hear as strong as Neitz nor does he know how to read the play as well as Cornes/Wakelin.

Wakelin is strong but is far too slow for Neitz which was shown in the previous 4 games where Neitz gave him a bath every time.

 

[Deestroy]

Originally posted by Macca19
Chad Cornes would have been the perfect match up for him but he pulled out just before the match. Is just as strong as Neitz and just as quick. Would have definately given him a run for his money.

IMO you overrate Cornes strength. I rate him as he's my fav non Melbourne player but there's no way he's as strong as Neitz.

 

[BT]

Originally posted by Deestroy
IMO you overrate Cornes strength. I rate him as he's my fav non Melbourne player but there's no way he's as strong as Neitz.

Agreed.

 

[melbournemartin]

i was just about to post the same

wats cornes weight?

and height also

thnx

i know neitz is 193 cm, 103 KG......now thats big

also 193 aint even super tall i mean you see 200cm guys at 85 kg