Wells Recruiting record

[MAHjnr]

Draft	Pick	Player
2010 pre-season draft	No selections held
2010 rookie draft	21​	Jack Weston	fail
	37​	Ben Johnson	fail
	50​	James Podsiadly	win
	61​	Jesse Stringer	fail
2010 national draft	15​	Billie Smedts	fail
	23​	Cameron Guthrie	win
	37​	George Horlin-Smith	neutral
	54​	Jordan Schroder	fail
2011 pre-season draft	No selections held
2011 rookie draft	23​	Josh Walker	win
	40​	George Burbury	fail
	56​	Jonathan Simpkin	fail
	71​	Ryan Bathie	fail
2011 national draft	32​	Joel Hamling	win
	34​	Shane Kersten	fail
	48​	Jordan Murdoch	fail
	66​	Lincoln McCarthy	fail
	78​	Orren Stephenson	fail
	86​	Jed Bews^	win
2012 pre-season draft	No selections held
2012 rookie draft	18​	Cam Eardley	fail
	36​	Jackson Sheringham	fail
	54​	Mark Blicavs	win
2012 national draft	16​	Jackson Thurlow	fail
	77​	Brad Hartman	fail
	92 (RE)	Jesse Stringer	fail
2013 pre-season draft	No selections held
2013 rookie draft	No selections held
2013 national draft	16​	Darcy Lang	fail
	36​	Jarrad Jansen	fail
	41​	Jake Kolodjashnij	win
2014 pre-season draft	No selections held
2014 rookie draft	15​	James Toohey	fail
	31​	Nick Bourke	fail
	46​	Zac Bates	fail
	56​	Michael Luxford	fail
2014 national draft	10​	Nakia Cockatoo	fail
	47​	Cory Gregson	fail
	55​	Dean Gore	fail
	59​	Jordan Cunico	fail
	RE	Mark Blicavs	win
2015 pre-season draft	No selections held
2015 rookie draft	14​	Tom Read	fail
	32​	Cameron Delaney	fail
	49​	Padraig Lucey	fail
2015 national draft	59​	Ryan Gardner	fail
	66​	Sam Menegola	win
	69​	Wylie Buzza	fail
	70​	Matthew Hayball	fail
2016 pre-season draft	Not held (all clubs declined to participate)
2016 rookie draft	9​	Jock Cornell	fail
	27​	James Parsons	fail
	44​	Tom Ruggles	fail
2016 national draft	26​	Brandan Parfitt	win
	40​	Tom Stewart	win
	43​	Esava Ratugolea	neutral
	60​	Quinton Narkle	neutral
	68​	Timm House	fail
	69​	Ryan Abbott	fail
	RE	Tom Ruggles	fail
2017 pre-season draft	Not held (all clubs declined to participate)
2017 rookie draft	16​	Jack Henry	win
	33​	Zach Guthrie	neutral
	48​	Jamaine Jones	fail
	53​	Sam Simpson^	win
	B	Mark O'Connor	win
2017 national draft	22​	Lachie Fogarty	fail
	24​	Tim Kelly	win
	36​	Charlie Constable	fail
	57​	Gryan Miers	win
	RE	James Parsons	fail
2018 pre-season draft	No selections held
2018 rookie draft	16​	Stewart Crameri	fail
	30​	Matthew Hayball‡	fail
2018 national draft	15​	Jordan Clark	neutral
	48​	Ben Jarvis	neutral
	50​	Jacob Kennerley	fail
	65​	Darcy Fort	neutral
	68​	Jake Tarca	fail
	74​	Oscar Brownless^	fail
2019 rookie draft	11​	Tom Atkins	neutral
	B	Stefan Okunbor	fail
	B	Blake Schlensog	fail
2019 mid-season rookie draft	No selections held
2019 national draft	16​	Cooper Stephens	neutral
	19​	Sam De Koning	neutral
	41​	Francis Evans	neutral
	50​	Cameron Taheny	neutral
2020 pre-season draft	No selections held
2020 rookie draft	14​	Bradley Close	win

 

[MAHjnr]

2010​	pick 57	Western Bulldogs	Nathan Djerrkura		win
pick 36	Carlton	Jeremy Laidler		fail
pick 53	pick 41
pick 15	Gold Coast	mid-first round compensation pick		neutral
2011​	pick 32	Gold Coast	pick 26		neutral
pick 34
2012​	Hamish McIntosh	North Melbourne	pick 38		FAIL
Josh Caddy	Gold Coast	first-round compensation pick		neutral
pick 57
2013​	pick 64	Adelaide	James Podsiadly		neutral
pick 75	Greater Western Sydney	Josh Hunt		neutral
pick 84	Essendon	Paul Chapman		neutral
pick 41	Brisbane Lions	Trent West		loss
2014​	pick 21	Brisbane Lions	Allen Christensen		loss
Mitch Clark	Melbourne	N/A	Multi-club trade	loss
N/A	Collingwood	Travis Varcoe
Rhys Stanley	St Kilda	pick 21		win
pick 60
pick 10	Adelaide	pick 14		loss
pick 47	pick 35
2015​	Patrick Dangerfield	Adelaide	Dean Gore		fail (no other RFA trades)
pick 50	pick 9
	pick 28
Lachie Henderson	Carlton	2016 first round pick (Geelong)		fail
2016 third round pick (Brisbane Lions)	Brisbane Lions	Jarrad Jansen		fail
Josh Walker
Zac Smith	Gold Coast	pick 49		fail
pick 53
2016 fifth round pick (Greater Western Sydney)	Greater Western Sydney	Steve Johnson		fail
2016​	pick 63	Fremantle	Shane Kersten		win
Zach Tuohy	Carlton	Billie Smedts		win
2017 second round pick (Carlton)	pick 63
	2017 first round pick (Geelong)
pick 24	Richmond	Josh Caddy		FAIL
pick 64	pick 56
pick 72	West Coast	Nathan Vardy		FAIL
Aaron Black	North Melbourne	pick 92		neutral
2017​	2018 third round pick (Richmond)	Richmond	pick 53		neutral
pick 58	Carlton	Darcy Lang		win
2018 fourth round pick (Carlton)	2018 fourth round pick (Geelong)
Gary Ablett	Gold Coast	pick 19		win
pick 24	2018 second round pick (Geelong)
2018 fourth round pick (Gold Coast)
2018​	pick 43	Brisbane Lions	Lincoln McCarthy		fail
pick 62	pick 55
	pick 59
Nathan Kreuger	Carlton	pick 43	Pre-draft selection	neutral
Gary Rohan	Sydney	pick 62		win
pick 59	Gold Coast	George Horlin-Smith		neutral
pick 70	Sydney	Jackson Thurlow		fail
pick 51	Collingwood	pick 59		neutral
pick 60
pick 68	Richmond	2019 fourth round pick (Geelong)	Live trade during draft	neutral
2019​	pick 14	West Coast	Tim Kelly	Multi-club trade
pick 24	2020 third round pick (Geelong)	win
2020 first round pick (West Coast)
pick 37	Essendon	pick 57
pick 58	Gold Coast	Zac Smith		win
Jack Steven	St Kilda	pick 58		neutral
Josh Jenkins	Adelaide	pick 37		neutral
2020 third round pick (Gold Coast)
pick 64	Gold Coast	pick 27	Live trade during draft
2020 first round priority pick (Gold Coast)	win
pick 50	Essendon	pick 63	Live trade during draft
2020 third round pick (Gold Coast)	neutral
2020 fourth round pick (Geelong)

 

[darren forssman]

I know and understand not EVERY pick works out but man that is sobering reading.

 

[winty]

Some of that is bemusing to say the least. For example, it's hard to fathom how someone like Joel Hamling

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Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

who didn't play a senior game is seen as a win, yet Murdoch who played over 100 games and Parsons who played 50 or so are seen as fails.

I'd be curious to know your rationale as to why some picks are wins, and others aren't.

EDIT: Just read you think getting Danger in for a trade was a fail. Lost all credibility there.

 

[BlakeyNoFlakey]

I do think if you looked at all clubs it would be similar, except for the newer clubs maybe. We have gone through a decade where the draft has been compromised and Geelong's best pick in that time was 10. The chances of selecting a 100 game player past the top 30 draft picks is slim. The stats bear that out.

 

[gaz love x]

We lost the Dangerfield trade did we? Give me a break

Anyway the draft ratings are meaningless without comparison to other clubs. The strike rate on draft picks generally is low. If other clubs had recruited better than Geelong since 2010 there would have been more than a couple of teams to have outperformed us in recent years. And the conventional wisdom is that this list has underperformed, so go figure.

 

[ninjahcat]

Just goes to show how hard it is to draft really good players. A kid can have a good junior career then totally fail at getting to the next level.
I liked what I saw of Ben Jarvis this year and hope to see more of him in 2021 but spots are going to be very tight.

 

[WaxiesDargle]

Only 11 picks in the top 30 over the past 10 years - 4 wins, 5 fails (including Cockatoo who I consider a good pick but was ruined by injury) and 2 neutral (Stephens & DeKoning). Not a bad record considering. #inwellswetrust

 

[Hamingja]

Drafting and developing goes hand in hand. A big part of development is opportunity which isn't there. What hope did Kennerley for example really have in our current set up? Absolutely none.

 

[Night90Cat]

Pretty comprehensive layout. You have put a load of effort into this. Well Done.

I would put Esava as a win, he has plenty of upside and should be viewed in the long term.

I too have been critical of key 1st round misses which have not made the team, that is obvious when you look at the board. A couple of amazing left field pickups in here as well which have offset this deficiency.

Overall an unusual but broad recruitment strategy. The ladder position determines it a success or not.

My main question is where is the band of hard running midfielders suitable to the negating, scrappy, just move it forward style of modern football which have served other teams well? In my humble opinion we almost need a separate chart, one which can be compared against the premiership teams.

 

[BORIS332]

Yes, the OP looks bad, but let's compare against the rest of the competition. The below shows averages games by draft round for every club. Green indicates better than competition average, red is below average.



Edit: sorry, I should have said this is for the last 10 national drafts.

 

[PzBlinky]

Yes, the OP looks bad, but let's compare against the rest of the competition. The below shows averages games by draft round for every club. Green indicates better than competition average, red is below average.

View attachment 1009296

Edit: sorry, I should have said this is for the last 10 national drafts.

OK, the strategy is clear now... 3 firsts for Cameron and 3 5th rounders.

 

[cat_shack]

Yeah nah

 

[bombersboy]

A lot of effort. Just shows how hard drafting is and how over rated picks are. Do not understand how Dangerfield and Henderson are fails. Also I think Murdoch is a win, played over 70 games.

 

[Footy Smarts]

His genius late selections make up for an ordinary hit rate early. It's hard to overstate just how good picking up players like Stewart, Kelly, Blicavs and Menegola were. O'Connor, Miers and Henry would all be good pickups if they were selected at pick 10-20 yet they were all extremely late in the draft.

 

[cats_09]

Some of that is bemusing to say the least. For example, it's hard to fathom how someone like Joel Hamling

29

Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

who didn't play a senior game is seen as a win, yet Murdoch who played over 100 games and Parsons who played 50 or so are seen as fails.

I'd be curious to know your rationale as to why some picks are wins, and others aren't.

EDIT: Just read you think getting Danger in for a trade was a fail. Lost all credibility there.

No doubt took effort to put together

But the whole thing is from a subjective point of view, and the idea of pass/fail/neutral can easily be impacted by ones opinion of the player being discussed

Better to look at this sort of thing from a more objective nature, with a set of targets to reach various levels and not necessarily just a pass or fail - that would remove the subjectivity of this type of thing

 

[Spazz Cat]

Not as bad as it looks. It's hard to call picks after 40 a fail.
With the high picks, due to us being hellbent on staying competitive he has to do some left field shit, and take big gambles to get a bargain.
Also he's had some outstanding wins on leftfield late picks.

 

[thecatattack]

Anyone who suffered injuries for us is NOT a fail.

Linc, Cockatoo, Menzel, Vardy etc

Also, we drafted Gore at 55 and traded him as a key-piece in the Danger trade. Seems like a win to me. But you also said the Danger trade was a fail.

 

[MAHjnr]

1. Dangerfield is a fail as you are the best in the business and yet the only one who traded for a RFA (excluding cases to help players)
2. Henderson was dumped after 4 years service, i hardly call that a win for a first round pick
3. Stewart was a Scarlo find, and Blitz a guthrie find, without them these two would be elsewhere - not a wells win
4. Hamling showed why he was recruited, cant blame wells if the MC dont play him, but on recruitment it was a win
5. given the crap dumped on parson on this board, i am not sure how people are calling this a win now

 

[MAHjnr]

Anyone who suffered injuries for us is NOT a fail.

Linc, Cockatoo, Menzel, Vardy etc

Also, we drafted Gore at 55 and traded him as a key-piece in the Danger trade. Seems like a win to me. But you also said the Danger trade was a fail. So you're a ******* idiot.

Name another club that traded for a RFA -
Dont let your anger lead you to being an abusive twad

People are showing how much latitude afforded to Wells, when none is afforded to Scott

 

[MAHjnr]

Anyone who suffered injuries for us is NOT a fail.

Linc, Cockatoo, Menzel, Vardy etc

Also, we drafted Gore at 55 and traded him as a key-piece in the Danger trade. Seems like a win to me. But you also said the Danger trade was a fail. So you're a ******* idiot.

Cockatoo had concerns coming in, his runup was impaired by injuries

 

[thecatattack]

Name another club that traded for a RFA -
Dont let your anger lead you to being an abusive twad

People are showing how much latitude afforded to Wells, when none is afforded to Scott

What are we meant to do? Hold a gun to their head so they don't match?

We got one of the best players of this generation for picks 8, 28 and Dean Gore. We got Danger and they got 3 players who have played a combined 104 career games and 64 at Adelaide. Milera has played 40, Menzel played 4 for them and Gore hit a fat doughnut of games played.

That trade was and will always be a winner in every sense.

 

[MAHjnr]

Some of that is bemusing to say the least. For example, it's hard to fathom how someone like Joel Hamling

29

Joel Hamling

Age

32

Ht

194cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.6

3star

K

6.2

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.8

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.0

3star

who didn't play a senior game is seen as a win, yet Murdoch who played over 100 games and Parsons who played 50 or so are seen as fails.

I'd be curious to know your rationale as to why some picks are wins, and others aren't.

EDIT: Just read you think getting Danger in for a trade was a fail. Lost all credibility there.

winty the best negotiator has twice been smacked on RFA - so they are fails
richmond picks up a younger Forward for free thats the basis of comparison

in list management terms look at carlton
they are killing it, martin for free, a rfa for free, get geelong to hand deliver fogarty for a pack of chips

Two parts in list management and that is trading and recriuiting, and wells fails in trading
the caddy situation is testament to that

 

[MAHjnr]

What are we meant to do? Hold a gun to their head so they don't match?

We got one of the best players of this generation for picks 8, 28 and Dean Gore. We got Danger and they got 3 players who have played a combined 104 career games and 64 at Adelaide. Milera has played 40, Menzel played 4 for them and Gore hit a fat doughnut of games played.

That trade was and will always be a winner in every sense.

no you set yourself up so they dont / cant match, be smart about it
Why is Wells a genius for trading for RFA when no-one else does

 

[thecatattack]

Cockatoo had concerns coming in, his runup was impaired by injuries

I still don't think it's a fail.

Greg Oden at no.1 wasn't a fail. If a player is highly talented but has injury setbacks, you still take the punt, if you can, as the Denver Nuggets did with MPJ.

Mitch Thorp at pick 6 in 2006 is a fail.