Club Focus West Coast Eagles 2023

[PMBangers]

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[sydney_gws]

They should trade Gov if they can get a decent second round pick for him. Barrass gets the job done.

Perhaps the Swans would give that for McGovern, they have Hawthorn's 3rd pick, they might offer it.

 

[Burtman]

5 years is a ridiculous estimation, rebuild started 2 years ago and we have 25 players under 25.

Just having 25 players under 25 doesn’t mean a thing, unless they’re actually good. How many project as being good afl players? You’re about to lose gaff, nicnat, gov, hurn, yeo, shuey, cripps and darling over the next couple of years. Going to get very ugly over the next 2-3 years. Hawthorn is miles ahead in young talent and we won’t contend for 3-4 years. So 5 years to contend for the eagles is fairly optimistic

 

[WCE_phil]

The main part of the draft rebuild will be done by the end of 2025. Then it will be all about trades and free agents.

Expect this year and 2 more years similar to this before the rise starts in 2026. Players drafted at the end of 2021 will be going into their 5th season and we'll still have a few senior heads.

Going to need to get lucky on the free agent, trade and draft markets to be a shot at contending otherwise the club will be lucky to challenge the top 4 let alone win a flag. (I don't mean in 2026 either, i mean in regards to this generation of rebuild)

 

[Shueygod]

Just having 25 players under 25 doesn’t mean a thing, unless they’re actually good. How many project as being good afl players? You’re about to lose gaff, nicnat, gov, hurn, yeo, shuey, cripps and darling over the next couple of years. Going to get very ugly over the next 2-3 years. Hawthorn is miles ahead in young talent and we won’t contend for 3-4 years. So 5 years to contend for the eagles is fairly optimistic

Those players don’t play anyway, losing them won’t impact in the slightest.

 

[Heaps of fun]

There's work to be done in this space.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

If we secured suns first round pick I would be happy to package our first and theirs and dogs second round for Reid and maybe a little more if needed. We want quality over quantity after significant list changes in the last few years and we have a projected top 30 f/s this year so happy to offload second rounders

Why you getting our first rounder?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What would Bailey Williams cost on the open market? second with your third coming back?

Won't be trading our #1 ruck.

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[Eastern Rangers]

Well I got banned from the west coast time to rebuild thread.

Still.... Yeah. A few oldies have to go this season.

Eagles should focus on the 2023, 2024, 2025 and 2026 drafts. They will get 5-7 kids a season in the national draft

Smart idea when Tassie are coming in around the 2027 season.

2023 should be Naitanui, Shuey & Hurn.
2024 should be Gaff with Darling and McGovern pending form and fitness.
2025 Cripps, any other the above and maybe Yeo depending on form and fitness.

Of course Yeo could be cooked already given the type of player he is.




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[Eastern Rangers]

Just having 25 players under 25 doesn’t mean a thing, unless they’re actually good. How many project as being good afl players? You’re about to lose gaff, nicnat, gov, hurn, yeo, shuey, cripps and darling over the next couple of years. Going to get very ugly over the next 2-3 years. Hawthorn is miles ahead in young talent and we won’t contend for 3-4 years. So 5 years to contend for the eagles is fairly optimistic

Those players will take three years to cycle out of the squad, at the same time we prune all the low hanging fruit. Injured players aren't protecting our ladder position they're hurting it and neither are guys like Gaff and Hurn who are both past their best and highly interchangeable talents.

So we get picks for the next two-three years, cycle in our young talent and when we push for finals we trade out our picks for players while Tasmania hits the competition.

I agree 2024 will be pretty ugly as we've had low continuity and zero cohesion within a playing group built around players who aren't there on a week to week basis.



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[AFDogs]

If we secured suns first round pick I would be happy to package our first and theirs and dogs second round for Reid and maybe a little more if needed. We want quality over quantity after significant list changes in the last few years and we have a projected top 30 f/s this year so happy to offload second rounders

This is a thread about West Coast.

 

[philthy05]

Far more than that, is having a better year than Jackson and only a year older. What would you want for Draper for example?

Draper is miles ahead of Williams. Miles.

Williams wouldn’t be worth very much, but because of west coasts list they couldn’t afford to let him go anyway so wouldn’t have him on the table.

Can’t see him wanting out either when he’s guaranteed a game every week at the eagles

5 years is a ridiculous estimation, rebuild started 2 years ago and we have 25 players under 25.

Lol this idea that bottom dwelling fans have that you can bounce back from here in 5 years is detached from reality.

Carlton fans always said it. Melb fans always said it. North fans have been saying it.

How long did it take melb and Carlton to become competitive?

Even if you nailed every single draft pick for the next 3 years, in 5 years time those guys are only 19-23, and only probably just cracking 50 games at best. Kpps are likely only just starting to show something.

West coast have the benefit of being in a 2 team town that is a gun football factory, so there’s every chance you will be competitive again and not sit at the bottom or mid table at best like demons / Carlton did for nearly 2 decades… but you’re not going to be finished rebuilding in 5 years.

 

[Shueygod]

Draper is miles ahead of Williams. Miles.

Williams wouldn’t be worth very much, but because of west coasts list they couldn’t afford to let him go anyway so wouldn’t have him on the table.

Can’t see him wanting out either when he’s guaranteed a game every week at the eagles








Lol this idea that bottom dwelling fans have that you can bounce back from here in 5 years is detached from reality.

Carlton fans always said it. Melb fans always said it. North fans have been saying it.

How long did it take melb and Carlton to become competitive?

Even if you nailed every single draft pick for the next 3 years, in 5 years time those guys are only 19-23, and only probably just cracking 50 games at best. Kpps are likely only just starting to show something.

West coast have the benefit of being in a 2 team town that is a gun football factory, so there’s every chance you will be competitive again and not sit at the bottom or mid table at best like demons / Carlton did for nearly 2 decades… but you’re not going to be finished rebuilding in 5 years.

Guarantee we make the top 8 within 5 years.

Compare Williams and Drapers stats this year, pretty comparable considering he’s 1.5 years younger.

 

[ronpingwins]

Not sure if this is the best place to post it but here goes.

Just some talk I have heard, there are some people at both the Hawks and WCE open to exploring a trade if WCE finish last this season and the hawks finish 2nd or 3rd last.

WCE: Pick 1 (Reid) for Hawks: Pick 2 or 3 + Denver Grainger-Barras

Interesting, was there anything specific about West Coast not being strong on Reid or anyone else they like? I completely buy that we would do a trade like this, would be very on brand. Regardless of whether they see a wa boy at pick 2/3, an extra pick (can’t see it being just DGB) and a KPP makes sense of what our recruiters like

 

[Vindicater]

The injuries have just been devestating. Hard to tell what they really have or don't have.

 

[CountryLad]

Surely WC look to Melbourne to see how interested in getting Reid. With Freo going so badly they could end up with pick 4 or 5 and Melbourne's 2 firsts for this and next year. Play them off with GWS and see what the best deal they can get. They need an injection of 2 or 3 1st rounders a year over the next 2-3 years

Reid is exactly the player the Eagles need. While he can practically play anywhere he is a clearance/stoppage specialist and that’s the Eagles biggest need right now.

Don’t see pick 5 best case (freo should finish better than that) and then two late 1st rounders being anywhere near enough for Reid.

2 top 10s and a late 1st or just take Reid.

All hypothetical anyway just as much chance that Nth or the Hawks have pick one.

 

[CountryLad]

Guarantee we make the top 8 within 5 years.

Compare Williams and Drapers stats this year, pretty comparable considering he’s 1.5 years younger.

This is the same guy that argued for 30 pages on the Georgiades thread that Mitch is worth a 1st round pick…. Even claimed as good as Oscar that’s aged well.

 

[Keystone agony]

Need to try and sell Gov and Darling to Fremantle for the right price (Only club theyd go to)

Gaff to a vic club.

2nd and 3rd round picks could be valuable to sides that need to match bids and also to target

Georgiades
Shannon Neale
Ash Johnson
J.Sharp
Brockman
Dev Robertson

Eagles 2024
Hunt - Barrass - Hough (R.Bazzo/2nd rounder)
Duggan - H.Edwards - J.Jones

B.Williams - H.Reid - Ginbey (Sheed)
J.Sharp - Yeo - Chesser (Dev Robbo)

Cripps - A.Johnson - E.Hewett (N.Long)
S.Neale - O.Allen - L.Ryan

 

[jesterwester]

Right now it’s a little bit difficult to really gauge our younger players. Fingers crossed by years end some will be coming back.

Ideally, we would have enough fit to be able to field a reasonable WAFL side to be able to let them serve an apprenticeship. But right now it’s 2-3 playing with Ammos and getting thumped each week. Pre-season they were winning with good numbers but that has quickly turned.

So they get thrown in the deep end not being fully ready for AFL and we just don’t have the depth to support it. So we get over run, especially late in quarters.

Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Long, Bazzo, all under 20 and look AFL quality, albeit on limited viewing.

Chesser, Burgiel, Barnett yet to have an impact but all highly rated. So the rebuild has commenced with getting in the youth we just need to get games into them as quick as we can. With all due respect to our drafting in the 2018-2020 period, since 2021 I think we have had a real eye to the future. They just need time.

Williams has had a bit of a breakout year for him playing our sole ruck- he’s not perfect but he is holding his end of the bargain. At 23 as a ruck you’d expect he has a fair bit of development ahead.

Allen is having a good year coming back from injury so far despite the lack & quality of supply he gets each week.

The issue we have is that there is a
large gap in quality between that group above and our contingent of role players in the 26-28 range. Our A graders from yesteryear are now 30+ and they are not easily replaced.

So our biggest priorities in my mind is just getting A grade talent into the list, particularly in the areas:

• KPF
• KPD
• Inside Outside Midfielder

Which I think we address at the top end of this years draft, and next.

I would happily trade pick 1 to get more first rounders personally. Ideally I’d still want a pick in the top 5 but if we got the deal Adelaide offered North in 2021 I’d take it in a heartbeat.

 

[raffrox]

As others have said, it's hard to see what the Eagles youth might be able to do in the current situation but I also think that playing in a team like this can damage their development. I feel it's going to be a long 4-5 years for the Eagles and knowing when to back in a young player or move them on will be key.

 

[Mr Cheese]

Right now it’s a little bit difficult to really gauge our younger players. Fingers crossed by years end some will be coming back.

Ideally, we would have enough fit to be able to field a reasonable WAFL side to be able to let them serve an apprenticeship. But right now it’s 2-3 playing with Ammos and getting thumped each week. Pre-season they were winning with good numbers but that has quickly turned.

So they get thrown in the deep end not being fully ready for AFL and we just don’t have the depth to support it. So we get over run, especially late in quarters.

Ginbey, Hewett, Hough, Long, Bazzo, all under 20 and look AFL quality, albeit on limited viewing.

Chesser, Burgiel, Barnett yet to have an impact but all highly rated. So the rebuild has commenced with getting in the youth we just need to get games into them as quick as we can. With all due respect to our drafting in the 2018-2020 period, since 2021 I think we have had a real eye to the future. They just need time.

Williams has had a bit of a breakout year for him playing our sole ruck- he’s not perfect but he is holding his end of the bargain. At 23 as a ruck you’d expect he has a fair bit of development ahead.

Allen is having a good year coming back from injury so far despite the lack & quality of supply he gets each week.

The issue we have is that there is a
large gap in quality between that group above and our contingent of role players in the 26-28 range. Our A graders from yesteryear are now 30+ and they are not easily replaced.

So our biggest priorities in my mind is just getting A grade talent into the list, particularly in the areas:

• KPF
• KPD
• Inside Outside Midfielder

Which I think we address at the top end of this years draft, and next.

I would happily trade pick 1 to get more first rounders personally. Ideally I’d still want a pick in the top 5 but if we got the deal Adelaide offered North in 2021 I’d take it in a heartbeat.

Hope you don't mind a viewpoint from across the Swan. Totally agree with you re: trading the #1 pick, especially being a team out west. When we had the #2, a major reason we took Brayshaw was because we were sure he would stay, can you say that about Reid? If not, it doesn't matter how good he is, you take the King's ransom for him.

Think you guys have a long road ahead, but always difficult to tell when you've got an injury list the size of yours. Ginbey and Allen are two A-grade parts of your spine, still need a KPF coming in after Barass and a decent ruck, both of which can be found outside of the top 5.

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[Punts]

Would they trade barass for the right price

 

[Drunkcat]

Reid is exactly the player the Eagles need. While he can practically play anywhere he is a clearance/stoppage specialist and that’s the Eagles biggest need right now.

Don’t see pick 5 best case (freo should finish better than that) and then two late 1st rounders being anywhere near enough for Reid.

2 top 10s and a late 1st or just take Reid.

All hypothetical anyway just as much chance that Nth or the Hawks have pick one.

Hawthorn will do anything to get pick 1 and keep it

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Would they trade barass for the right price

I dont think barass wants to leave WA and i dont think freo need him.

 

[FB19]

Hawthorn will do anything to get pick 1 and keep it

Highly unlikely we finish last and I don’t see us paying the steep price Reid will warrant. Eagles would be the only team who would trade pick 1 surely north couldn’t essentially do it 3 years running. Reid gives them marketing and relevance (would for us too), eagles for 2-3 firsts from GWS or Dees would seem most likely if eagles trade it.

 

[bzparkes]

Draper is miles ahead of Williams. Miles.

Yep, 'miles' ahead

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