West Sydney TAC Cup 2010

[Snoop Dog]

Come on loosey that's a bit harsh

some o' the scholo's can play, johnston, stubbs, brain, cole,bray,webster,ranga, both duncens, potter,black,young i've seen a number o' these blokes over a couple o' years n all are genuine footballers along with some others but i do agree that some o' the scholo's are speculative but that is the nature o' the system, i do agree on some o' the coachin issues as well, think rams coaches ok as gws will be but worry about bout some o' the next level n how they r appointed or assessed

i also think t some degree most clubs have swung back t lookin f footballers rather than athletes as was the case late 90's early 2000's n if you can play they will get you fit, give it 3 t 4 years n i believe a number o' these blokes will on afl list & hopefully f the blues or the new south whales, n if good footballers have been missed they should get em selves playin the highest grade o' footy they can N they will eventually be noticed

yeah i agree - you can add a few more to your list as well. I understand the frustration Looseman has though but it goes on in more ways than just the Scholarship programme

 

[footyman]

Tom Hill (Northern) and Alex Carey to GWS - thoughts?

Carey should have a field day, a strong bodied SANFL experienced player coming back to play against boys in the U18s.

 

[Bachar43]

Tom Hill (Northern) and Alex Carey to GWS - thoughts?

Carey should have a field day, a strong bodied SANFL experienced player coming back to play against boys in the U18s.

What kind of money would these guys be on?? About time they got the ball rolling with some bigger names. They haven't had anywhere near as much hype as the GC did this time last year with blokes like Dixon, Smith, Daye etc. Good on Tom Hill for persisting and getting a foot in the door. Makes you wonder which other ex-TAC cup players GWS could sign...one name, Kyle Hartigan, springs to mind. If his appeal to get to Werribee falls through today would GWS approach him? Your thoughts FM?

 

[footyman]

What kind of money would these guys be on?? About time they got the ball rolling with some bigger names. They haven't had anywhere near as much hype as the GC did this time last year with blokes like Dixon, Smith, Daye etc. Good on Tom Hill for persisting and getting a foot in the door. Makes you wonder which other ex-TAC cup players GWS could sign...one name, Kyle Hartigan, springs to mind. If his appeal to get to Werribee falls through today would GWS approach him? Your thoughts FM?

Not sure what sort of money they'd be on Bachar, but they are on two year contracts which makes me think they could be on a bit better deals than a rookie listed player.

Tom Hill's just gotten lucky by the sound of it, good luck to him I guess he's been given a chance that many others would love to have had. Sure beats going to play VFL as he was planning on doing.

I'm not sure how many guys GWS can approach and offer deals to like they have with Carey and Hill. Two might be the limit.

You mentioned Kyle Hartigan - IMO he would be a terrific signing for them, and I think he's a better prospect than Hill. And much like the two who have signed, he is an AIS kid who didn't get drafted. I guess it'd depend how much Kyle pissed in Alan McConnell's pocket while doing his AIS Scholarship though. Carey and Hill must have been favourites of the then AIS coach.

You are right about the lack of hype with GWS, thought there'd be more with Sheeds involved. They seem six months behind where GC were at, and I suspect issues with NSW Scholarships have stalled or impacted the ability of GWS to sign. And add to that they don't seem to have a recruiting manager as such.

 

[chakra]

Not sure what sort of money they'd be on Bachar, but they are on two year contracts which makes me think they could be on a bit better deals than a rookie listed player.

Tom Hill's just gotten lucky by the sound of it, good luck to him I guess he's been given a chance that many others would love to have had. Sure beats going to play VFL as he was planning on doing.

I'm not sure how many guys GWS can approach and offer deals to like they have with Carey and Hill. Two might be the limit.

You mentioned Kyle Hartigan - IMO he would be a terrific signing for them, and I think he's a better prospect than Hill. And much like the two who have signed, he is an AIS kid who didn't get drafted. I guess it'd depend how much Kyle pissed in Alan McConnell's pocket while doing his AIS Scholarship though. Carey and Hill must have been favourites of the then AIS coach.

You are right about the lack of hype with GWS, thought there'd be more with Sheeds involved. They seem six months behind where GC were at, and I suspect issues with NSW Scholarships have stalled or impacted the ability of GWS to sign. And add to that they don't seem to have a recruiting manager as such.

A bit harsh Footyman, i thought your had more knowledge than that.

 

[footyman]

A bit harsh Footyman, i thought your had more knowledge than that.

Harsh? Aren't I just saying what is probably true?

If Alan McConnell didn't like Hill and Carey do you think they would be at GWS?

Footy is full of people in places because of who they know, or who they impress. Funny GWS sign two players and they just happen to be ex-AIS players, coached by the bloke in charge of GWS. Hundreds of other kids out that weren't drafted who they haven't contacted.

 

[chakra]

Harsh? Aren't I just saying what is probably true?

If Alan McConnell didn't like Hill and Carey do you think they would be at GWS?

Footy is full of people in places because of who they know, or who they impress. Funny GWS sign two players and they just happen to be ex-AIS players, coached by the bloke in charge of GWS. Hundreds of other kids out that weren't drafted who they haven't contacted.

Yep that applies to AFL clubs also that take on guys from affiliated VFL sides, not always the next best player in line just what and who they know and as a rookie drafted player keeping them in the VFL system.

 

[stevebull]

who are inside footy kidding with their tac cup preview re gws, players to watch "impossible to say" how about hill & carey for a start, then the other ais guy's stubbs & stevens or mention a couple that may of played seniors last year etc

Could o' written a little on each o' those guys very poor effort from inside footy may just save the $$$ & get my updates from BF

from the finals i watched last year there were a couple o' good young blokes on each team so you would think that some one at IF would have plucked 1 t talk about

 

[TradeDraft]

Pies have 4 Players in the Side from there NSW Scholarships:

• Jarrad Witts
• Nick Perry
• Micheal Hartly
• Adrian YAKIMOV

Does anyone seen these kids play?

 

[Snoop Dog]

Sorry lads been offline a bit lately as had a heap on with work / home.

personally am rapt Hill and moreover Carey get a go up at GWS - Carey will end up like Barlow and these other guys who come into the system later.

Anyway am fired up about Saturdays game out at Blacktown and am aiming to head out there.

Anybody else in?

 

[Brave New World]

Two points for clarification please.

First, does anyone have at hand the complete list of the GWS squad plus any alignment for any of those players to other AFL clubs through the NSW scholarship scheme.

Second, do those players who are on scholarships and wish to remain with GWS, have the capacity to have a deal done where the original club they were aligned to does a deal with GWS.

I think under pre-GWS they did'nt have to move to the club of their alignment but could have taken their chances in the open draft?

Any additional info would be appreciated.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Pies have 4 Players in the Side from there NSW Scholarships:

• Jarrad Witts
• Nick Perry
• Micheal Hartly
• Adrian YAKIMOV

Does anyone seen these kids play?

will on saturday so let you know.

 

[Brave New World]

Greater Western Sydney vs. Northern Knights
Saturday 3rd April
Blacktown Olympic Park at 10:15 AM
Greater Western Sydney
B
Stevens
Bruce
Williams
HB
Kickett
Perry
Anderson
C
Dimery
Carey
Newell
HF
Brown
Hartley
Collins
F
Gourlay
Birch
Stubbs
R
Moller
Webster
Brain
Int
Flagg
Murphy
Bray

Mahony

Northern Knights
B
Riddle
Atta
Briffa
HB
Newnes
Witkowski
Morris
C
Treloar
Caddy
Lincoln
HF
Grgic
Barden
Marcon
F
Bianchin
Currie
Dirago
R
Marchbank
Veal
Maric
Int
Beaini
McEwan
Mullins

Totevski
Roberts
Lord

Mascoulis

 

[Brave New World]

Greater Western Sydney
13.16-94

Queensland
16.6-102

Greater Western Sydney Goal Kickers: A. Birch 3, A. CAREY 2, J. Dimery, J. Webster, B. Bray, M. Hartley, R. Newell, J. Ferguson, J. Gourlay, D. Williams
Best Players: A. CAREY, J. Bruce, J. Gourlay, J. Anderson, B. Bray, N. Collins

Queensland Goal Kickers: R. Tagell 5, A. Oxley 2, N. Congoo 2, J. Bohm, B. Slater, J. Wilkinson, l. Bolliger-ha, J. Bruekers, N. Reid, J. Ryan
Best Players: S. Michael, R. Tagell, A. Oxley, A. Laskey, N. Reid, B. Colch

 

[Snoop Dog]

Greater Western Sydney
13.16-94

Queensland
16.6-102

Greater Western Sydney Goal Kickers: A. Birch 3, A. CAREY 2, J. Dimery, J. Webster, B. Bray, M. Hartley, R. Newell, J. Ferguson, J. Gourlay, D. Williams
Best Players: A. CAREY, J. Bruce, J. Gourlay, J. Anderson, B. Bray, N. Collins

Queensland Goal Kickers: R. Tagell 5, A. Oxley 2, N. Congoo 2, J. Bohm, B. Slater, J. Wilkinson, l. Bolliger-ha, J. Bruekers, N. Reid, J. Ryan
Best Players: S. Michael, R. Tagell, A. Oxley, A. Laskey, N. Reid, B. Colch

yeah saw the game on the weekend. Carey was very strong at the clearances and his disposal was more efficient than vs Nthern but he needs to be benchmarked against the strong sides and to do well to be any chance. Personally I think he will be one of the GWS players signed.

Anderson put in another solid performance and Bruce was strong - he was ok vs Knight as well. Hartley didnt do much nor did Perry. GWS still have quite a few out unfortunately so not seeing them at their best. Hill out for year as well I think.

 

[Brave New World]

North Ballarat Rebels 4.3 10.3 14.7 16.9 (105)
Greater Western Sydney 2.3 5.4 7.6 10.11 (71)
Goals : North Ballarat - S Dobson 4, L Cook 4, J Cameron 3, T McDonald 2, C McMahon, W Pomorin, C Schache. GWS - A Birch 2, K Stevens 2, A Flagg, J Townsend, J Bruce, M Hartley, A Carey, D Williams.
Best : North Ballarat - B Mabon, L Cook, T Ross, M Darmody, C Currie, C McMahon. GWS - J Townsend, T Stubbs, A Carey, J Mahony, J Anderson, J Webster.

I went to the game and can only give you an opinion of a footy fan (not an expert) who is hampered by a lack of in-depth knowledge of the GWS players. We fought it out, helped by having a reasonable wind in the last quarter. In the last quarter we also got first to the ball more often.

Earlier we tended to play from behind and had trouble in covering players when the Rebels had the ball. We appeared to me to lack the ability to run or break the lines. A lot of this is due to an inability to hit our targets, particularly with handball. We handball a lot to little effect. We also seem to lose our footing too often.

Carey and Stubbs appeared to be the most prominent to me. Other than those listed amongst our best; I thought Flagg showed some get up and go, Ferguson battled hard at full-back and Hartley at full-forward tried hard (at times). He has a decent kick and if he can get it more often he could be a strong target.

In Summary, we appear to be still coming together as a 'team' especially on the field, but there is certainly a lot of spirit there already

 

[Brave New World]

GWS List (from TAC Cup Team Lists as at 24 April 2010
1. Jack DWYER, DOB 19-6-94, 168 cm, East Coast Eagles - HAWTHORN NSW Scholarship
2. Josh PATRIA, DOB 20-1-92, 181 cm, East Coast Eagles
3. Jed ANDERSON, DOB 2-2-94, 178 cm, Darwin Buffalos
4. Reid CROWE, DOB 23-3-93, 175 cm, Finley
5. Kane MURPHY, DOB 1-12-92, 171 cm, Riverview – ST KILDA NSW Scholarship
6. Trent MONAGHAN, DOB 3-3-93, 173 cm, East Coast Eagles
7. Jack MAHONY, DOB 7-5-92, 179 cm, Wollongong - HAWTHORN NSW Scholarship
10. Nick COLLINS, DOB 24-3-93, 185 cm, Belconnen
11. Kaine STEVENS, DOB 20-9-92, 183 cm, Riverview
12. Kial CROWE, DOB 24-6-96, 182 cm, Finely
13. Josh PARSON, DOB 11-6-93, 177 cm, Newcastle
14. James BRAIN, DOB 5-8-92, 178 cm, North Shore – BRISBANE NSW Scholarship
15. Thomas KICKETT, DOB 21-2-92, 182 cm, Riverview – HAWTHORN NSW Scholarship
16. Lachlan URWIN, DOB 23-6-93, 184 cm, Pennant Hills – GEELONG NSW Scholarship
17. Daniel LLOYD, DOB 18-2-92, 184 cm, Kilarney Vale – WESTERN BULLDOGS NSW Scholarship
18. Adrian YAKIMOV, DOB 20-8-93, 182 cm, Campbelltown – COLLINGWOOD NSW Scholarship
19. James WEBSTER, DOB 19-2-92, 183 CM, North Shore – ESSENDON NSW Scholarship
20. Joel McINERNEY, DOB 19-8-93, 182 cm, Team GWS - ?? – NORTH MELBOURNE NSW Scholarship??
21. Damon STEER, DOB 28-4-93, 185 cm, East Coast Eagles
22. Aaron DUNCAN, DOB 16-3-93, 181 cm, Pennant Hills – ADELAIDE NSW Scholarship
23. Jack DIMERY, DOB 8-12-92, 186 cm, East Coast Eagles – GEELONG NSW Scholarship
24. Jordan WOODS, DOB 29-8-92, 183 cm, Riverview
25. James LEWINGTON, DOB 22-2-92, 178 cm, Holroyd-Parramatta
26. Tim WALES, DOB 4-3-92, 183 cm, Pennant Hills – GEELONG NSW Scholarship
27. Jake PIANTA, DOB 23-1-92, 188 cm, East Coast Eagles – CARLTON NSW Scholarship
28. Johno GOURLAY, DOB 22-2-93, 187 cm, Pennant Hills
30. Adam FLAGG, DOB 16-9-93, 186 cm, Riverview,
31. Damian WILLIAMS, DOB 21-1-93, 180 cm, Darwin Buffalos
32. Alex BIRCH, DOB 3-2-93, 191 cm, Ainslie
33. Josh BRUCE, DOB 8-6-92, 195 cm, Eastlakes
34. Alex CAREY, DOB 27-8-91, 181 cm, Team GWS
35. Jac SIMMONDS, DOB 14-6-93, 183 cm, Pennant Hills – NORTH MELBOURNE NSW Scholarship
36. Richard NEWELL, DOB 23-3-93, 183 cm, North Shore – BRISBANE NSW Scholarship
37. Fraser BROWN, DOB 5-5-92, 187 cm, Campbelltown – WEST COAST NSW Scholarship
38. Beau BLACK, DOB 10-1-94, 184 cm, Wollongong – GEELONG NSW Scholarship
39. Josh COLE, DOB 28-8-92, 185 cm, North Shore – ESSENDON NSW Scholarship
40. Trent STUBBS, DOB 26-3-92, 186 cm, East Coast Eagles HAWTHORN NSW Scholarship
41. Oliver TWEEDALE, DOB 25-2-93, 193 cm, Pennant Hills – ESSENDON NSW Scholarship
42. Nick PERRY, DOB 10-6- 92, 191 cm, Sydney University – COLLINGWOOD NSW Scholarship
43. Jackson FERGUSON, DOB 23-10-92, 192 cm, Sydney University - – ST KILDA NSW Scholarship
44. Nick RYAN, DOB 31-8-92, 196 cm, St George – ESSENDON NSW Scholarship
45. Michael HARTLEY, DOB 7-6-93, 194 cm, Sydney University – COLLINGWOOD NSW Scholarship
46. Will LANGFORD, DOB 3-7-92, 186 cm, Easts - HAWTHORN NSW Scholarship
47. Joshua DUNCAN, DOB 21-6-91, 186 cm, Pennant Hills
49. Jarrod WITTS, DOB 13-9-92, 205 cm, Sydney University – COLLINGWOOD NSW Scholarship
50. Craig MOLLER, DOB 22-8-94, Balmain – FREMANTLE NSW Scholarship
51. Don BULL, DOB 20-1-92, 194 cm, Pennant Hills
52. Tom HILL, DOB 7-4-91, 198 cm, Team GWS
53. Blake BRAY, DOB 7-7-92, 190 cm, Western Suburbs – CARLTON NSW Scholarship
54. Jordan STENMARK, DOB 16-3-92, 192 cm, Riverview
55. Zachary STENMARK, DOB 16-3-92, 192 cm, Riverview
56. Matt HUTTON, DOB 21-2-92, 183 cm, North Shore – NORTH MELBOURNE NSW Scholarship
57. Daniel COOPER, DOB 28-8-92, 186 cm, Orange
58. Cameron BERNASCO, DOB 11-7-92, 189 cm, Tuggeranong

Current scholarship holder
Adelaide: Sam Martyn, Aaron Duncan
Brisbane: James Brain, Richard Newell
Carlton: Matthew Lodge, Jake Pianta, Blake Bray
Collingwood: Michael Hartley, Nick Perry, Thomas Young, Jarrod Witts, Adrian Yakimov, Tyson Carracher, Elijah Edwards, John Haggerty
Essendon: Oliver Tweeddale, James Webster, Josh Cole, Nick Ryan
Fremantle: Craig Moller
Geelong: Beau Black, Lachlan Urwin, Tim Wales, Jack Dimery
Hawthorn: Thomas Kickett, Trent Stubbs, Dylan Stuart, Heath Caldwell, Jack Mahoney, Will Langford, Jack Dwyer, Possibly one unannounced new signing
North Melbourne: Jac Simmonds, Joel McInerney, Ryer Court, Ben McDonald, Matt Hutton
Port Adelaide: Simon O’Brien, Harrison Cumming
St Kilda: Kane Murphy, Jackson Furguson
Sydney Swans: Jay Lewis, Nathan Kenny, Jackson Potter, Blake Guthrie, Jack Lynch, Mitchell May, Mitchell Crawford, Stephen Wray, Harrison Butchart, Daniel Robinson
West Coast: Jake King, Freser Brown
Western Bulldogs: Daniel Lloyd

 

[CAS79]

Game over

GWS gave Bendigo a smashing winning 19.11 125 to 9.5.59.

 

[The Convert]

Even better this week as gws were not topped up by Rams players. Beat Jets convincingly in an away from home home game. Should have won by more

 

[Philhawk]

Great to see the Hawthorn boys doing so well.

Can't wait to see us recruit them this year.

 

[TradeDraft]

Just wondering what people think of the Pies NSW Scholarship Kids in the GWS TAC Side are going?

 

[The Convert]

Just wondering what people think of the Pies NSW Scholarship Kids in the GWS TAC Side are going?

In what is only my humble opinion

Hartley went well against Jets last week
Perry OK but needs to step up a bit
Have not seen Yakimov play gws at all, might be injured

 

[WALL-e]

In what is only my humble opinion

Hartley went well against Jets last week
Perry OK but needs to step up a bit
Have not seen Yakimov play gws at all, might be injured

While your on the topic....

How have Sam Martyn and Aarond Duncan been?

 

[The Convert]

While your on the topic....

How have Sam Martyn and Aarond Duncan been?

Saw a report that Martyn went pretty well against Bendigo. Duncan played BP against Western Jets and did enough for coach to give him votes. Not a lot of disposals but pretty solid. Is a good player. There is fair bit of discussion on Western Sydney Board on BF about players and gws etc

 

[Snoop Dog]

Just wondering what people think of the Pies NSW Scholarship Kids in the GWS TAC Side are going?

out at the national champs watching NT vs Tas and then this avo the NSW game.

Hartley ok for me - really lacks the mobility but he is a huge specimen. trouble is the delivery to him aint great so if in a better side but go a bit better.

Perry I think convert is right.

Yakimov is inj but is the best of the lot from a coll perspective.

be interested in convert opinion but Webster and Kickett the two i really like. webster a great looking athlete who could play a range of roles. kickett has tricks....lots of them