Western Region FL - Division Two

[boofaaa79]

As much as i hate the wrfl, they do have a leg to stand on here, as it is a busiiness they are running, and to afford pt cook the luxuries they were given at the commmencement of the club and for pt cook to now turn around, now their feet are firmly planted on the ground and do what they have done, its a pretty low act if u ask me.

Choofa im not having a dig at your club mate i like lavo but if you put some time into jnrs you would maybe 1day make divi 1, jnrs build clubs and you will see results on and off the field....
Altona,Spotty,willy and even Hoppers have stronge jnrs and the snr's blood them and they stay very strong teams on and off the ground for years.
Until this happens at lavo you will struggle you had a great year this year and just think you could keep having great yrs if you put the time into the jnr's.
Mate im sure if you put it to Altona,Point Cook and even Hoppers and say if you have kids missing out every week send them our way and they can get a full run!!! but in return you look after them and they will stay around and not leave.
We do this with the country league i now play for..

 

[choofa]

Choofa im not having a dig at your club mate i like lavo but if you put some time into jnrs you would maybe 1day make divi 1, jnrs build clubs and you will see results on and off the field....
Altona,Spotty,willy and even Hoppers have stronge jnrs and the snr's blood them and they stay very strong teams on and off the ground for years.
Until this happens at lavo you will struggle you had a great year this year and just think you could keep having great yrs if you put the time into the jnr's.
Mate im sure if you put it to Altona,Point Cook and even Hoppers and say if you have kids missing out every week send them our way and they can get a full run!!! but in return you look after them and they will stay around and not leave.
We do this with the country league i now play for..

i hear what you are saying, one of the problems is to run a junior body it needs the support of parents who unfortunatly havent put their hands up in recent years, and it is almost now imipossible to run an entire club of juniors and seniors through a senior committee

as a club who has always battled to keep its head above water, and with no player payments, many many many ex laverton players have left for other clubs due to the many floggings the club received over the majority of the last 10 or so years

these players usually end up at your hoppers/spottys etc in search of a better grade of football and the club wont hold them back

the bottom line to all metro clubs these days in my opinion is the stength of ones committee, not ones players

 

[watchin the FDFL]

Flemington Colts are also aligned with the University Blues and have moved there under 18s into the new VAFA under 18 competition.

 

[cobraland]

Albanvale Football Club requires Players for our U/18's team. Please email your interest to adamborg83@yahoo.com.au or any further information required ring Adam on 0404 855 983

Pre Season training will commence on November 23rd.

We have a very experience senior coaching panel, which will be a benefit to all U/18's players in their development and preparing for senior level of football.

 

[red devil1]

As much as i hate the wrfl, they do have a leg to stand on here, as it is a busiiness they are running, and to afford pt cook the luxuries they were given at the commmencement of the club and for pt cook to now turn around, now their feet are firmly planted on the ground and do what they have done, its a pretty low act if u ask me.

I agree with this sentiment.

Forget all about the emotional rubbish about people not caring about juniors or how other teams such as Werribee Juniors, St Bernards etc were established.

I don't have all the facts, but this is what I have heard. Am happy to be corrected where needed.

Upon entry to the league Point Cook agreed to establish a senior team, once their club was mature enough to be able to accomodate this. This was agreed to in front of representatives from the other clubs and the League executive.

Over the past 12 months, the WRFL head rumours of Point Cook displaying an interest in establishing a team in the VAFA. The League spoke to Point Cook about this and were told not to worry, of course our future lies with the WRFL.

Football Victoria without the knowledge / input of the WRFL then agreed to allow Point Cook enter the VAFA. Niether party consulted with the WRFL.

Point Cook have not delivered on earlier promises made. Despite what you may think of the WRFL, I think all people want to see a healthy and sustainable footy comp. in the West.

Point Cook declined to be a part of this so their whole club should look elsewhere. Let's be realistic here - kids want to play footy and the majority will play at another local club in Altona or Laverton. There may be some short term angst, but the creditability of the whole competition (of which were are all stakeholders in some form) is on the line here.

 

[ontheup]

If Point Cook wasnt around all these kkids would be playing at Laverton and more than likely stayin in the WRFL when they made it through to seniors.

if point cook were staying in the wrfl sunshine heights would miss out on a few recruits lol soon as soon as the rumours about point cook heading to the ammos heights had scouts at point cook trying to lure kids away so you will find that sum will still be in the wrfl next year wearing the red white and blue not point cooks colours but sunshine heights

 

[Western Star33]

Alot of kids in the west aint playing footy its not just the west though its everywhere

 

[w.weapons]

Another option would be to go to Deer Park, pull a flag out of your arse from 4th, and then not have the balls to have a crack in Div 1.
SOFT club.!!!!

we dont want other b-grade players........i feel my post has upset you......good........not a bad effort from 4th.......no 1 picked us and the rest is history....

 

[STRONGBOW]

if point cook were staying in the wrfl sunshine heights would miss out on a few recruits lol soon as soon as the rumours about point cook heading to the ammos heights had scouts at point cook trying to lure kids away so you will find that sum will still be in the wrfl next year wearing the red white and blue not point cooks colours but sunshine heights

have heard paying some pretty good cash for ex 18b players

 

[Vic Eagles Member]

ppppfffftttt cmon get serious.......some of your better players will still be there and they will have lasting memories of past years...and just remember good ''teams'' win granny's not half a side....a few years back you guys were struggling for coin how did you guys get all this money to pay these players cause lets face it the wouldnt come for the love of the game to a club that has been ok during the season but finals time is a different story........and then when you cant afford to pay these players sh1t hits the fan and they walk out.......interesting times ahead for the cobra's.......but never the less cant wait to knock you's off again.........

You might be setting yourself up for a big fall once the season starts if you keep banging on like this buddy! Good Luck!

 

[table tennis]

I agree with this sentiment.

Forget all about the emotional rubbish about people not caring about juniors or how other teams such as Werribee Juniors, St Bernards etc were established.

I don't have all the facts, but this is what I have heard. Am happy to be corrected where needed.

Upon entry to the league Point Cook agreed to establish a senior team, once their club was mature enough to be able to accomodate this. This was agreed to in front of representatives from the other clubs and the League executive.

Over the past 12 months, the WRFL head rumours of Point Cook displaying an interest in establishing a team in the VAFA. The League spoke to Point Cook about this and were told not to worry, of course our future lies with the WRFL.

Football Victoria without the knowledge / input of the WRFL then agreed to allow Point Cook enter the VAFA. Niether party consulted with the WRFL.

Point Cook have not delivered on earlier promises made. Despite what you may think of the WRFL, I think all people want to see a healthy and sustainable footy comp. in the West.

Point Cook declined to be a part of this so their whole club should look elsewhere. Let's be realistic here - kids want to play footy and the majority will play at another local club in Altona or Laverton. There may be some short term angst, but the creditability of the whole competition (of which were are all stakeholders in some form) is on the line here.

Werribee started in the WRFL.

Best thing they ever did was go to the ammos. And since then, the WRFL has not improved, whilst the ammos get better and better.

Wouldn't you want the best for your club? or are you satisfied with the deplorable league in which you currently play?

 

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Firstly a few things to take into account on Point Cook. The first is they may have a plan to one day in the future once a senior playing list is established move to the WRFL. The options it was looking at when developing the plan for seniors was a low grade or club 18's comp, depending on numbers. Since the WRFL only has 2 levels and no club 18's, in the short term the VAFA is the only real option available to them while they do not know what sort of playing list they can develop.
As for saying the juniors should have an affect on what competition they should play in, i think people are drawing a very long bow here. As with alot of clubs, juniors participate due to club location and set up, plus friends at the club, not what league they play in. Due to expansion of the Point Cook area, and the growth in young families moving to the area, clubs such as laverton are going to have the possibility to increase participant numbers anyway, as Point Cook will not be able to accomodate them all.
The next club that will be in a position such as this will be Caroline Springs. Perhaps some of the opinionated experts on here could assist in the development of them, and come up with a plan for a new club.

 

[FinalsTilt]

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The next club that will be in a position such as this will be Caroline Springs. Perhaps some of the opinionated experts on here could assist in the development of them, and come up with a plan for a new club.[/quote]

As opposed to Point Cook - Caroline Springs do have a development plan in place with the intention of having Senior sides in the WRFL when the time is right.

They are an hounorable club unlike Point Cook who have been deceptive in their dealings with WRFL in establishing a Senior Club

 

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now a couple of issues moving into the pre season and next year.

Yarraville Seddon will not have access to play at the best ground in the league from around May, should the league try to schedule as many games there at the start of the season as possible as it will be one of the best grounds coming out of summer?

Each year clubs get screwed over by councils when it comes to being able to train on their grounds and play practice matches, could someone come up with a few options here in regards to this, as each year, everyone who cant use their ground will contact someone like the bulldogs and ask to use Whitten Oval, but get told No.

Perhaps the use of the facilities at the RAAF bases in Point Cook and Laverton could be utilised if a formal approach from the league was made on behalf of clubs.

Or if there are a couple of grounds usable from March, a twilight comp be held for practice matches..... This could give a glimpse of the season ahead, help train umpires and provide a bit of hype. It would also give the opportunity for clubs to trial players. My suggestion would be play on a Monday, Wednesday and Friday night, starting at 6:30 and play 2 X 20 min halfs, 5 minutes between halfs and games and 3 games a night. Also play 16 a side if you really want open free flowing footy.

 

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As opposed to Point Cook - Caroline Springs do have a development plan in place with the intention of having Senior sides in the WRFL when the time is right.

They are an hounorable club unlike Point Cook who have been deceptive in their dealings with WRFL in establishing a Senior Club[/quote]

That comment means they to could look at the VAFA club 18s or d4 to start with to develop the senior club before moving to the WRFL.

 

[theinsider10]

Newz out of Lavo that Sam Young, (2nd in club bnf, v close to winnin) is G-O-R-N-E. Trainin bak at Altona, and will play there next yr. Unluky Lavo, ure season is finished already!!

 

[boofaaa79]

now a couple of issues moving into the pre season and next year.
Perhaps the use of the facilities at the RAAF bases in Point Cook and Laverton could be utilised if a formal approach from the league was made on behalf of clubs.

Mate there is no chance what so ever the RAAF would allow and local club to play on the there base as i used to be in the defence force and the security level at this stage is at level 3 as there are 4 levels, it wouldve been alright a few years back but there is not a chance in the world... Its a great idea but not a chance with all the shiiiiiiiiiit going on in the world at the moment.
A FEW YEARS BACK THUMBS UP FOR SURE!!!!!
BUT AS FOR THESE DAYS
But a good point....

 

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Mate there is no chance what so ever the RAAF would allow and local club to play on the there base as i used to be in the defence force and the security level at this stage is at level 3 as there are 4 levels, it wouldve been alright a few years back but there is not a chance in the world... Its a great idea but not a chance with all the shiiiiiiiiiit going on in the world at the moment.
A FEW YEARS BACK THUMBS UP FOR SURE!!!!!
BUT AS FOR THESE DAYS
But a good point....[/quote]

That is for Point Cook RAAF base, but I think Wyndham council were trying to get access to the sports ovals at the back of Williams Base, next to the golf course i think.

Then of course there are some schools + Newports ovals that could be utilised (except for hobsons bay council not being fans of public use of public facilities)

 

[Limited]

Point Cook has the God given right to make the decision where they see it’s best for the survival of their club and its members on were they put their senior team.


All clubs have the right to make decisions on what’s best for their club’s and members, it is a business running football clubs and you would hope for the sake of all clubs that they are managed well so they can all survive in the future.


As for fact’s, the WRFL have never spoken to or approached Point Cook in the past 12 months on any team in the VAFA, another fact the WRFL have not spoken to Point Cook on seniors in 3 years. As for the WRFL trying to kick out Point Cook’s juniors out that’s coming from some of the clubs in this league not the WRFL.
The club who put up the motion don’t have juniors and are not even in the western suburbs, go figure, there’s some facts for you red devil.


What Luxuries were given to Point Cook Choofa, they got a hand sake from the league and then handed a invoice for ther first bill that had to be paid on time just like every other club. You want to talk about luxuries look Deer Parks way they have the luxury of playing in division 2 for 2010 because there 2nd’ didn’t play finals or because they don’t have a 18’s team and there 16C’s didn’t get into the finals, what about West Footscray where’s there luxury, they only had one junior team this year what’s going to happen to them next year in 1st division, I ask you which team is better placed to play Division 1.


That’s good management from the WRFL, just sit back and watch another club get belted each week because it can’t compete all because they won’t set a rule for promotion and relegation. What about the effect this will have on West Footscray long term future has any from the league thought of that, knowing this league I would say not.

One thing’s for sure in the VAFA, no if’s or but’s you play in a grand final you know your going up the next year.


What else have the league poorly managed, lets start with that brawl after the 2008 division 1 grand final, nothing come of that just swept it under the carpet nothing said again, or then your got the handling of the umpires issues.

Good look for the league that one, umpires on strike no senior football played, how much did that cost the clubs and how much extra work that the unpaid volunteers have to do to try and raise those funds that they missed out on the day, all because the league did not step in and fix the issue.


Good on Point Cook for making this decision, why should they play in a league that’s poorly managed.​

 

[GoesBangFrom50]

Point Cook has the God given right to make the decision where they see it’s best for the survival of their club and its members on were they put their senior team.​

All clubs have the right to make decisions on what’s best for their club’s and members, it is a business running football clubs and you would hope for the sake of all clubs that they are managed well so they can all survive in the future.​

As for fact’s, the WRFL have never spoken to or approached Point Cook in the past 12 months on any team in the VAFA, another fact the WRFL have not spoken to Point Cook on seniors in 3 years. As for the WRFL trying to kick out Point Cook’s juniors out that’s coming from some of the clubs in this league not the WRFL.
The club who put up the motion don’t have juniors and are not even in the western suburbs, go figure, there’s some facts for you red devil.​

What Luxuries were given to Point Cook Choofa, they got a hand sake from the league and then handed a invoice for ther first bill that had to be paid on time just like every other club. You want to talk about luxuries look Deer Parks way they have the luxury of playing in division 2 for 2010 because there 2nd’ didn’t play finals or because they don’t have a 18’s team and there 16C’s didn’t get into the finals, what about West Footscray where’s there luxury, they only had one junior team this year what’s going to happen to them next year in 1st division, I ask you which team is better placed to play Division 1.​

That’s good management from the WRFL, just sit back and watch another club get belted each week because it can’t compete all because they won’t set a rule for promotion and relegation. What about the effect this will have on West Footscray long term future has any from the league thought of that, knowing this league I would say not.​

One thing’s for sure in the VAFA, no if’s or but’s you play in a grand final you know your going up the next year.​

What else have the league poorly managed, lets start with that brawl after the 2008 division 1 grand final, nothing come of that just swept it under the carpet nothing said again, or then your got the handling of the umpires issues.​

Good look for the league that one, umpires on strike no senior football played, how much did that cost the clubs and how much extra work that the unpaid volunteers have to do to try and raise those funds that they missed out on the day, all because the league did not step in and fix the issue.​

Good on Point Cook for making this decision, why should they play in a league that’s poorly managed.​

I agree the comp is run poorly but if its so bad that you wouldnt want your senior team playing in it why keep your juniors in it?

If Point Cook moved their juniors out as well it would be a valid argument. While the juniors stay the argument carries no weight.

 

[Limited]

I agree the comp is run poorly but if its so bad that you wouldnt want your senior team playing in it why keep your juniors in it?

If Point Cook moved their juniors out as well it would be a valid argument. While the juniors stay the argument carries no weight.

Here's another fact for you Goesbang, make sure you have a truck load of dummys around your club your boom recruit from Point Cook likes to spit them when its not all his way.

 

[GoesBangFrom50]

Here's another fact for you Goesbang, make sure you have a truck load of dummys around your club your boom recruit from Point Cook likes to spit them when its not all his way.

Good kid and will be a valuable contributor.. happy to have him

 

[Limited]

Good kid and will be a valuable contributor.. happy to have him

Point Cook's happy you got as well , just make sure he and any others don't have any equipment that they may not have handed back

 

[vicki3013]

Good kid and will be a valuable contributor.. happy to have him

is he the one gettin paid good coin,

 

[FinalsTilt]

Point Cook has the God given right to make the decision where they see it’s best for the survival of their club and its members on were they put their senior team.​

All clubs have the right to make decisions on what’s best for their club’s and members, it is a business running football clubs and you would hope for the sake of all clubs that they are managed well so they can all survive in the future.​

As for fact’s, the WRFL have never spoken to or approached Point Cook in the past 12 months on any team in the VAFA, another fact the WRFL have not spoken to Point Cook on seniors in 3 years. As for the WRFL trying to kick out Point Cook’s juniors out that’s coming from some of the clubs in this league not the WRFL.
The club who put up the motion don’t have juniors and are not even in the western suburbs, go figure, there’s some facts for you red devil.​

What Luxuries were given to Point Cook Choofa, they got a hand sake from the league and then handed a invoice for ther first bill that had to be paid on time just like every other club. You want to talk about luxuries look Deer Parks way they have the luxury of playing in division 2 for 2010 because there 2nd’ didn’t play finals or because they don’t have a 18’s team and there 16C’s didn’t get into the finals, what about West Footscray where’s there luxury, they only had one junior team this year what’s going to happen to them next year in 1st division, I ask you which team is better placed to play Division 1.​

That’s good management from the WRFL, just sit back and watch another club get belted each week because it can’t compete all because they won’t set a rule for promotion and relegation. What about the effect this will have on West Footscray long term future has any from the league thought of that, knowing this league I would say not.​

One thing’s for sure in the VAFA, no if’s or but’s you play in a grand final you know your going up the next year.​

What else have the league poorly managed, lets start with that brawl after the 2008 division 1 grand final, nothing come of that just swept it under the carpet nothing said again, or then your got the handling of the umpires issues.​

Good look for the league that one, umpires on strike no senior football played, how much did that cost the clubs and how much extra work that the unpaid volunteers have to do to try and raise those funds that they missed out on the day, all because the league did not step in and fix the issue.​

Good on Point Cook for making this decision, why should they play in a league that’s poorly managed.​

Glad to see you deal in facts - now lets clarify the facts:

1 No motion to suspend Point Cook - Executive are dealing with their breach of WRFL constitution

2.Pt Cook didn't discuss having Senior side in VAFA - even though in discussions with VAFA for at least the past 12 months

3.West Footscray elected to remain in Division 1 after Deer Park's decision not to go up

4.When elected to WRFL Pt Cook stated they would field a Senior side in WRFL when they were able to - now stating that as that commitee that made the decision has moved on Pt Cook is not bound by that intention when accepted into WRFL.

5. Not only a business running Clubs but also a business running any League.

Why should the WRFL endorse Pt Cooks decision to field a side in the VAFA ?

Is it just the Senior competition or the Junior competition as well that is badly managed ?