What A Game!

[troppo]

Great game of football,a draw was probably a fair result. Thought Leigh took a little too long to move Leppa forward and he must be starting to lose patience with Bradshaw. It's about time he started to live up to the promise he has shown earlier in his career. Voss was brilliant as always,Johnson was best on ground and Aker was very good again particularly his tackling. We found out tonight that Carcella doesn't have a left side but he did do some constructive things early. Thought Morro played very well from the limited game time he had. In hindsight I think it may have better to have played him at CHF and Leppa at full forward for the most of the match. Bozo was good in his first game back. I am worried about our ability to come up again in 5 days after two very tough games,at least it is at the Gabba.

Votes
Johnson 3
Voss 2
Akermanis 1

 

[Dingster]

From a Roos point of view, a draw was a fair (but damn frustrating!) result. A brilliant game with never more than a couple of kicks in all night. Both sides showed great heart in fighting back when the other was having a good spell. All the best for next week.

 

[Lady Lawrence]

Breathe in, breathe out, deep breath in, deep breath out! I think my lips turned blue in the last few minutes and I could hear my heart pouding in my ears!! Amazing game, awesome! If my neighbours didn't know me I think someone would have called the police!

Thank God for Michael Voss!! Popped up every single time he was needed. Led the team magnificently, talked to the players constantly, gave instruction and encouragement constantly, I could go on but would run out of hyperbole.

A draw was the best result but if being totally honest the Kangas should probably have won that one.

Votes

3 - Voss
2 - Johnson
1 - too many equal to this to pick just one

 

[tashibatts]

Umm.. how do I put this

Congrats to the Lions
Condolences to the Lions

That do?!

Go Roos
Brilliant Game, Amazing Atmosphere.

 

[luthor]

Great game of footy.

Don't agree that the Kangas "should" have won.

There's always a sentimental tendancy for the "underdogs" to be rated unlucky if they run a class side close (or in this case get a draw).

WE were coming off a tough road trip to Adelaide, were missing our best 2 forwards and (from my one maroon, gold and blue eye) got the rough end of the stick from the Umpies.

Simon Black's rushed behind WAS in fact a goal, Aker was hammered off the ball several times for no reward, Morrell was awarded a mark(and goal) from a ball that bounced off Rocca's hands and the Scott brothers were penalised anytime they even looked like they were being naughty.

The "deliberate" OOB paid against Chris Scott near the end of the game was a turning point and was one of the most disgraceful home town umpiring decisions in living memory!!

When was the last time a defender got a kick away under pressure, that travelled 35 metres FORWARD and dribbled over the boundary line penalised for "deliberate"??????

Absolute shocker.

Kangaroos unlucky??

I don't think so.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by luthor
The "deliberate" OOB paid against Chris Scott near the end of the game was a turning point and was one of the most disgraceful home town umpiring decisions in living memory!!

When was the last time a defender got a kick away under pressure, that travelled 35 metres FORWARD and dribbled over the boundary line penalised for "deliberate"??????

Absolute shocker.

Kangaroos unlucky??

I don't think so.

1999 - Port v Kangaroos at the MCG. Kangaroos by 7 points in the last minute. Free kick count:Kangaroos 33, Port 12.

Don't worry, your team's not the only one to lose(or draw) to the Kangaroos and their 19th, 20th and 21st men.

 

[Michele]

Congrats to Lions - great game.



As for Luthor

Boo hoo. There were quite a few incidents I too, could have singled out.

And as for that bit of tripe about "underdogs and unlucky if you run a class side close" ...
Just how much did the eventual Premiers win by in the game last year, played in Brisbane? About 15 points I believe.

 

[hilly]

Originally posted by mic59
1999 - Port v Kangaroos at the MCG. Kangaroos by 7 points in the last minute. Free kick count:Kangaroos 33, Port 12.

Don't worry, your team's not the only one to lose(or draw) to the Kangaroos and their 19th, 20th and 21st men.

Was that just a factor in that particular game or in every contest we have had?

9-0

Well done to Brisbane. I will admit we received a few dodgy calls, (Scott McLaren = worst umpire in the game) however I think a tie was a fair result.

Still can't believe we got that deliberate out of bounds in the last quarter

 

[Dingster]

Originally posted by mic59
1999 - Port v Kangaroos at the MCG. Kangaroos by 7 points in the last minute. Free kick count:Kangaroos 33, Port 12.

Don't worry, your team's not the only one to lose(or draw) to the Kangaroos and their 19th, 20th and 21st men.

In what generally has been good sportsmenship and appreciation of a great game of footy between Roo and Brissie fans, why would you stoop so low? So what if we had a the run of the umps that game. We are well behind on the ledger. Grow up.

 

[thumping]

Great game I was priveleged to be there.
But please Lion Supporters Dont throw up the umpire thing Cause we all know that we dont play on a level playing field in the first place!!!
Salary cap=Lions allowed more .
Concessions=Yep them too
And for the optional extra=The AFL will chuck Fitzroy in there too.
O.K You guys can have all that and we can have 2 dubious umpire call's.Great that sounds fair to me

 

[luthor]

OK, OK , maybe I got a bit carried away with the Umipiring bit.

I did preface my remarks by admittimg I am one eyed.

The point is, it was a great game of footy and a draw was a fair result.

It just got up my nose that certain people (TV commentators) were singing the praises of the Kangas and were inferring that somehow they "deserved" to win.

Guess they have to cater for the Melbourne viewing audience though

 

[Tas]

I thought the game was fantastic, fast, hard and played in good spirit. Unlike Essendon, we believe we can be competitive with class and not with thugs.

Originally posted by luthor
Don't agree that the Kangas "should" have won.

Nobody 'deserves' to win unless they are in front at the end of the game.

A draw was a fair result because it was a very even game and both had chances to put up a winning lead.

There's always a sentimental tendancy for the "underdogs" to be rated unlucky if they run a class side close (or in this case get a draw).

That is the case in all sports, particularly by neutrals watching the game. Take it from a supporter that has seen their club be very dominant for around ten years, there is nothing worse when you believe you can't lose a game, it gets dull when the only expectation is a large winning margin.

I think our team this year is better than our 1999 premiership team. Some of our players may be a little older, but we are far more even across the field and do not have a dependancy on Wayne Carey to win games.

WE were coming off a tough road trip to Adelaide, were missing our best 2 forwards and (from my one maroon, gold and blue eye) got the rough end of the stick from the Umpies.

I think the supporters make a bigger deal about travelling than the players. Its part of professional football these days and it has been going on for so long nowdays that it is part of the conditioning and part of the routine.

I have always said that people bring up the travelling issue as an excuse for an inadequacy. I belive Brisbane is good enough, has enough experience and have enough depth that travelling should not be an issue.

As to missing Brown and Lynch. Sure, they were missed. But I would have liked to have Archer, McCartney and Burton in our team. It would of been nice if Rocca, Colbert and others had more of a pre-season. But we don't need to make excuses, you field the best team you have available.

Simon Black's rushed behind WAS in fact a goal.

The defender's hand was between the ball and the foot. The camera had to be slowed down frame by frame to show that initial contact was with the boot. It is part of football, umpires have to make split second decisions, some go your way, others don't.

Aker was hammered off the ball several times for no reward

Yes, he also took out Motlop off the ball and it wasn't a free kick either. The umpires let the game flow and both teams put on physical pressure without it being overly crude or spiteful. Perhaps you should watch the reply with both eyes.

There was alot of physical stuff unrewarded on both sides, I think it was a good call for the umpires to let the game flow on and only pay the more obvious frees, it made the game far more entertaining and free flowing and was a great spectacle.

Morrell was awarded a mark(and goal) from a ball that bounced off Rocca's hands and the Scott brothers were penalised anytime they even looked like they were being naughty.

Again, see above about the split-second decision. Umpires are less inclinced to call play on where the defenders were nowhere to be seen.

Similarly, they let the game flow on when several Brisbane marks came from infringements to the defender's back. It evens out in the end, if after two hours of play you cannot deal with a handful of decisions that were too hard to call then the team is considered 'soft'.

I don't think the Brisbane players were looking for handouts, nor were we. If it was there and it was obvious then play it. If you need a frame-by-frame camera to tell then let it go.

Then again, I would believe the players in general would of been happy with the umpiring. If you get too technical you can blow a free kick ever 10 seconds and you are left with a rather dull game to watch.

The "deliberate" OOB paid against Chris Scott near the end of the game was a turning point and was one of the most disgraceful home town umpiring decisions in living memory!!

The rule 'clarification' for this year is that if the umpire believes a player has gone deliberately out of play when not really under pressure and had other options then it is deliberate.

He did come across the ground a fair bit, even if he gained 20-30 meters, and was not really under any pressure, he had other defenders he could of offloaded to but chose the boundy because it was safer and there were no free targets up the ground.

That is deliberate, like it or not. We did make similar kicks to the boundry but the key difference was the player at the time he had the ball didn't really have options right next to him or the ball was in play long enough that it ws not directly out of play.

Again, its a call the umpire has to make there and then. Some go your way, some don't. With a freekick count of 19-15, the count was not significant enough to make a huge impact on the game.

When was the last time a defender got a kick away under pressure, that travelled 35 metres FORWARD and dribbled over the boundary line penalised for "deliberate"??????

It really depends if the defender has any options or not. The interpretation has changed for this year and I have seen a 'few' more deliberates played this year than last.

They have introduced a pseudo 'prior opportunity' factor into the decision making. Ie, did the player have other options and how direct towards the boundy was it.

Kangaroos unlucky??

I don't think so.

Luck is what you make of it.

King was lucky with his kicks off the ground. Brisbane had some lucky bounces in their forward line. The difference is if you are dependant on luck. I don't think either teams were and had enough chances on their own to decide the game.

It is ammusing to see arm-chair potatoes complain about umpring. I have seen alot of shockers by umpries, and I do not rate this one anywhere near it.

But, if you really need to make excuses then by all means, blame the umpires. We normally leave that for Collingwood fans, but perhaps Brisbane is turning into a Collingwood.

It is a pity the Brisbane supporters could not appreciate the game in the spirit the players and Coach themselves did. A shame.

 

[pedrothelioness]

*the Brisbane supporters*

Dont put all brisbane supporters in the one group. If you read 99% of the comments on here tonite, you'll see all of them arent offering excuses, are happy to get away with a draw and were pretty much complimentary on the roo's and the game itself.

 

[kimp]

Considering I was expecting to lose the draw is good I guess. Vossy proved beyond all doubt that he is the best player in the competition. We would have lost significantly without him. I just hope that his behind at the end doesn't affect next week's game - off to the psychologist Vossy.


What I really noticed is that we're missing Dessy. I finally admit that Caracella isn't going to come up to the mark. I am also very concerned about the team next year. I really think our old guys are suffering at the moment (who ever heard of Choppers starting on the bench)

Morro was OK but for someone who usually plays CHF he needed to take some initiatives and score some goals himself.

 

[tapestry]

The draw is much better than a loss, thats what Vossy said.Butttt.oi it don't feel better at the time.

Its a shame that both Blacks point and Leppas were not awarded as they should have been and goals.Leppa's was not touched, and neither was Blacks, plain as the nose on your face.But the umpire is the umpire.Consistency they got right there, shame it was the wrong decisions.

Now for the Deliberate out of bounds, if that had of been consistenet then ok, but to pluck that one out of the hat at that crucial stage of the match is an absolute joke.
These umpire get paid a bucket loa dof money.They need to be accountable to the fans for their decisions.Like the coaches are at the press conferance, they shold field questions on Monday to be made accountable. especially when they make questionable decisions.The Goal umpire shold be in the Tallargarook seconds for the next month.No escuses for him.

Why is it that this always happens in Roos matches with us.I remember in 2000,, what a disgrace that was.

 

[CarterS]

Very exciting game last night.... you don't really know whether to be happy of not with a draw but it was a great game.

5- Voss
4- Leppitsch (did really well up forward)
3- Johnson
2- Pike (inspiring 4th quarter)
1- Akermanis

EDIT: Ive been adding up my votes for the games and here's what ive got so far:

9- Lappin
8- Voss
5- Akermanis
4- Power
4- Leppitsch
4- Michael
3- B.Scott
3- C.Johnson
2- Pike
1- Bradshaw
1- Notting

Interestingly Simon Black yet to poll a vote.

 

[LionsForever]

An absolute beauty!

3- Johnson
2- Voss
1- Leppitsch

aplogies to Akermanis and Pikey.

 

[luthor]

Johnno racked up possessions like they were going out of style but he did commit some dreadful and uncharacteristic clangers a couple of times that were also expensive on the scoreboard.

Voss was all class as usual and Leppa was sensational up forward after first doing a good job down back, so I would go.

3. Voss

2. Leppitsch

1. Johnson

 

[Slax]

3. Johnson

2. Voss

1. Lepper

 

[OldLion]

Originally posted by Tas

Yes, he also took out Motlop off the ball and it wasn't a free kick either.

Nice try at trolling but Motlop injured himself trying to wack Aker. Ironic.

It is a pity the Brisbane supporters could not appreciate the game in the spirit the players and Coach themselves did. A shame.

Again, enough of the trolling. So 'holier than thou'. Stick to your own site.

 

[BrisGirl]

3 Voss
2 Johnson
1 Leppa

The thing I loved to see was at the end of the game, when Lions and Roo players went up to each other and showed geniune respect and appreciation towards each other, as it was an even and hard fought draw.

If they can be gracious about the draw, then as their supporter, I saw it as the best result for both teams.

 

[moomba]

Congrats Lions on a great game, one of the more enjoyable I have seen from a pure sporting perspective.

I find it very difficult to hate the Lions, despite their success, and I really love watching the Voss', Leppitsch's, Johnson's etc despite the high likelihood (again) that they will be the difference between my side getting the 4 points and not.

There seems to be a mutual respect between the two teams, and we have fought some tremendous battles over the past decade. I think the fans of each team get along fairly well as well, and I guess if there is anyone who can get close to understanding the old Fitzroy mentality it will be Roo supporters.

Anyway, all the best for next week, and the season ahead. I am rapt that we were competitive against the best team in the AFL, and while we have a long way to go compared to you, last nights game has given me confidence that we are on the right track.

As for the deliberate OOB, I had a pretty good view and think he had no intention other than to go for the boundary line. With the new rules brought in the decision was a correct one IMO. There was a carbon copy on our side only a few minutes earlier that wasn't given so I can understand supporters frustration with the umpires seemingly pulling one from nowhere.

Don't know if you accept opposition votes but here is what I thought.

Voss - 3 votes
Johnson - 2
Leppitsch - 1

Moomba

 

[CarterS]

Originally posted by moomba

As for the deliberate OOB, I had a pretty good view and think he had no intention other than to go for the boundary line. With the new rules brought in the decision was a correct one IMO. There was a carbon copy on our side only a few minutes earlier that wasn't given so I can understand supporters frustration with the umpires seemingly pulling one from nowhere.

Don't know if you accept opposition votes but here is what I thought.

Voss - 3 votes
Johnson - 2
Leppitsch - 1

Moomba

The rule may be there but they very rarely pay it. I don't like this thing they're doing where sometimes they will pay it and sometimes they won't, either all the time or none of the time it should be. Personally I think the crowd influenced the decision, but saying that similar things could have happened at the Gabba in the past but I can't remember one being so influential on the game's result.

Saying that though it was a great game, both sides played well and personally I had conceded defeat for a couple of minutes before Voss snuck that point in.

And you are a good judge of talent there, I and a fair few people had that same top 3.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by CarterS
The rule may be there but they very rarely pay it. I don't like this thing they're doing where sometimes they will pay it and sometimes they won't, either all the time or none of the time it should be.

Amen to that. I saw multiple TV games where neither of the two new rules(the ruck and deliberate OOB) were paid the slightest attention and others where you couldn't sniff the wrong way without losing a free. The Port game v Brisbane there was very little use of the new rule and the only frees paid were blatant fends, whereas in the Port v Hawthorn game the umps went overboard. Bot the deliberate OOB must be the one causing the most confusion at the moment, how can the umpires ignore 3 metre handballs over the line and then ping 30 metre kicks?

 

[Stocka]

The umpiring wasn't that bad really. There were a couple of decisions which weren't really worth paying (free kick to Bradshaw in the 3rd for a goal, and the DOOB against Scott in the last), but it evened out over the course of the game. Certainly the spectacle of a great contest wasn't ruined by the umpires, at any rate.