Autopsy What are the positions of need now?

[Mr Magic]

We need Bennell then maybe Kruzeur. If we can get Treloar great.Weller would be handy to

The back man will have to wait. We can't win in 2016.

I would trade Griffith's and Concs to Freo for Weller and a pick.

Use it for Brnnell and Treloar?

If Freo got Conca, McCarthy and Griffith's they would throw draft picks at us in their window IMO and to GWS to

I am not super fussed over the ruck though. We could chase Goldy or others later. Bennell highest priority and I would grab Weller to. Great if we get Treloar.

If off field can't handle Bennell sack them.

Part of the reason get Weller and Bennell is they are cheap, frees up cash we chase bigger targets latter when available eg in the guts etc..

Lids helps Bennell, they rotate to the wing etc.. Bennell can help in the middle to

 

[Punt Road Feral]

We need an athletic ruckman, we all love Ivan but when he goes against your high jumping types like Nic Nat we get pants in the hit outs and we get thumped in the clearances. You could just tell yesterday we were always on the back foot around stoppages.
I haven't seen any Carlton games this year but Kruezer could be the type we need to give Ivan a chop out.
He would be someone that could easily swap with Vickery in the forward line and still have a presence.

We really need a small forward to help titch. When titch was down yesterday who else was there helping with crumbs and forward line pressure...i honestly don't know. Lids plays as a medium sized forward and does it quiet well. I just wish the club took on Garlett last year when his value was next to nothing. I don't know if Yarran is the answer unfortunately.

 

[tugga]

1: ruckman
2: ruckman
3: ruckman
4: ruckman
5: ruckman

 

[_Wang_]

Time to **** Griff off, hes a wet lettuce

 

[Mr Magic]

Time to **** Griff off, hes a wet lettuce

If Freo got Griffith's and MCarthy they would go ape IMO

I am not blaming Griff too much, 1st game back from a layoff. Same with Conca but they might be better suited at Freo

 

[blackcat]

We need a big body inside the contest and Maric isn't good enough against the elite ruckmen.
Those two positions along with a small forward would be priorities.

Chaplin is as bad in a one on one contest as any key defender I've seen but they rate him so I can't see any move being made there

maybe next year as Maric is not getting younger, but i thought he halved the contest between him and Goldie, and Goldie is the starting AA ruck, and won a swag of media awards, and might taken home the Chas. So between him, Reiwoldt, Rance, Grimes, Miles, how many clear winners did the Tigs have. Obviously Ivan was not a winner. But gees, Dusty had a first quarter to behold, ok, he basically went missing then, but that was one of his best quarters. 'preciate they are "quarters", not "games".

 

[blackcat]

especially given that basically all our onballers will be better next year.

but, they need to improve MORE than the league CPI/inflation. Just putting more games into the legs, and hitting 23/24 prime age, is not really an "over" with the CPI improvement index.

this is a fallacy alot of clubs have around this time. they think improvement is in a vacuum. well, it aint, all clubs will improve on the rising tide of the ocean. we gotta improve MORE than the average improvement. then some. and then some.

 

[Mr Magic]

but, they need to improve MORE than the league CPI/inflation. Just putting more games into the legs, and hitting 23/24 prime age, is not really an "over" with the CPI improvement index.

this is a fallacy alot of clubs have around this time. they think improvement is in a vacuum. well, it aint, all clubs will improve on the rising tide of the ocean. we gotta improve MORE than the average improvement. then some. and then some.

Some clubs go backwards though like Geelong, Hawks and Freo.

We need more youngsters less than 23

 

[This Is Anfield]

1. Inside Mid
2. Outside Mid with speed.
3. Lead up 3rd Forward
4. Effective Crumbing Small
5. More Athletic Ruckman
6. Team Depth


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Fair call:

1. Inside Mid - Priority, Miles and Cotchin got physically smashed and had no support, not sure if there is one available.
2. Outside Mid with speed. - Why Yarran won't be the bust people seem to think he'll be, Menadue will be but needs time.
3. Lead up 3rd Forward - Lennon will be this, needs to take his omission on the chin and work his backside off, has the tools to be a Ryan O'Keefe.
4. Effective Crumbing Small - Huge hole, Butler a chance? Yarran at times, I don't ****ing know!
5. More Athletic Ruckman - Another priority, think I'll pull one out of my arse.
6. Team Depth - Will come, we have quality youngsters and a decent list.
7. Key Back - Chaplin has been good for us but a replacement must be found, Astbury, Elton the hopes and Carlisle would be a good fit.

Maric is a champion and one of my favourite players.

However, we get exposed against the really good ruck combos. That's life, can't have a brownlow medallist in every position on the ground.

So first thing on my list is ruckman. There are some high profile ones on the radar. Doesn't have to be one of them though. But Ivan needs help and Hampson isn't really good enough.

All the other weaknesses aren't show stoppers, especially given that basically all our onballers will be better next year.

Love Big Ivan, but...

 

[Madtiger2006]

We have corey Ellis, Mcdonough, Lennon, Astbury and Elton coming through. Draft a zippy forward, a classy midfielder and a 2m defender

 

[Accepted 04]

Well is there any team in the comp that if we offered a first round pick this year or next to gain a quality inside mid?
Such as what Melbourne did to get Bernie Vince across?


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[TimorTiger]

We have corey Ellis, Mcdonough, Lennon, Astbury and Elton coming through. Draft a zippy forward, a classy midfielder and a 2m defender

Agree all these players will add strength in depth but none of them will help win contested football, the only stat that we really got killed in 148 to 115 (and always do when we lose badly). Thought we competed well enough in the ruck, a dominant ruck would be fantastic but as long as you compete and split the contests a dominant midfield is more important - the last team with a dominant ruck to win the premiership was west coast in 2006, the non negotiable is a powerful midfield which we clearly don't have in terms of contested ball.

We have enough class, we need power, pace and physicality in across all lines... guys like Yarran and Hall can help with the pace, we need to find some power inside. I thought Macintosh was the only guy yesterday who seemed like he could win with either pace or power alone at the contest, and therefore was able to play close enough to his normal level.

Could get killed saying it but the decision not to recruit Mitch Robinson and Gartlett for nothing last year has hurt us... with the benefit of hindsight both these players would have been useful yesterday - 'dickheads' maybe, but we wouldn't have got as killed in the contested ball and would have scored at least one crumbing goal. As north showed, every team has dickheads, but it doesn't matter when you win.

 

[carndapies]

sorry for coming into your board but there were some glaring issues that separated Richmond from just making up numbers in the finals and actually competing for the premiership.

1. Another big CHB-should look at targeting one of wce surplus of backs target 1 should be Mitch brown. Will also let rance rebound and attack more

2. Some real mongrel from the players in the middle to assist the players being tagged. Hawthorn Geelong ect never let their stars be cut out through games others would go and rough up the taggers which Richmond didn't do.

3. Crumbing forward- a quick young X factor forward will bring an extra dimension to your forward line. Will also help capitalise on Riewoldt and vickery's aerial abilities

 

[TigerImposter]

1: ruckman
2: big sized mid
3: pacey small and clever fwd
4: if we cannot get the above then replace Blair and friends
5: if we continue with no improvement since 2012 than a new coaching team
i'm over seeing the same need players not being put on our list.
ffs rfc do something constructive for once and pay for quality

 

[tigerz18]

KPF - 5 (Jack, Vick, Griff, McBean and Mckenzie) Mcbean to put on 5 kg over the summer and he'll be our Jesse Hogan. McKenzie then to be our #1 VFL kpf and get hiom to boot 30-40 next year. Griff to be battling with Vick as our 3rd KPF next year or 1 of them to go. We probably dont need another one in the front end of the draft, but wouldnt be against rookieng one.
Small fowards - 7 (Mcdonough, Morris, Newman, Edwards, Lloyd,. Menadue, Butler, Short) we have enough, just the majority of them are not playing. Newman is done, Morris is not good enough and Titch is more of a mid. lloyd is a natural goal kicker, but needs to work on the other parts of his game. mcdonough cant get a decent run, Menadue was serviceable when he came in and Butler hasnt been fit. Short did alright and should get another year on the rookie list.But Mcdonough, Menadue and Butler can all play in the next few years. Getting Yarran in the short term would be good for the team, but not for these players, unless Yarran is used down back. I dont think we need another on, just need to get games into Mcdonough, menadue and Butler, and give games to Lloyd if he can do more 2 way running.
Possibly 1, but probably rookie in this spot
Medium Forwards - 3 (Lennon, Knights, Gordon) Here is where we are seriously lacking in depth. knights is done, Gordon is not good enough. Lennon showed a lot and should have played yesterday. We rely on Lids and Dusty to do the hard leadup running when they are resting forward and we desperately need some more medium forwards. Stevie J has been touted here. We need a 189 cm forward here that can run like gordon and has the smarts of lennon, or we have Lids play here FT next year. 1-2 medium forwards required
KPD - 4 (Rance, Chaplin, Astbury, Elton). As you can see, we are probably 1 player short here, 3 if you consider that Chaplin is near the end of his career and Astbury probably isnt going to be a key player next year. we need to draft 1-2 KPD monsters. Carlisle might be good here.
Small backs - 5 (Houli, Vlastuin, Hunt, Dea, Castagna, Pettard) Houli and Vlastuin are solid, Hunt is servicable but has question marks. Dea should have got games this year as he dominated the VFL. Castanga showed enough to be promoted. the one thing all these players are missing is speed, and against team with good small forwards, we are getting torn up. Yarran here would be a great fit, but does he have the temperament? We need someone here desperately
Medium backs - 2 (Grimes, Batchelor) both are servicable and had great years. Batch went missing for the second EF in a row but Grimes had a solid game. Grimes is showing a bit, but does Batch have anymore improvement in him? we'd need another 1-2 here as backup
Inside mids - 4 (Miles, Cotch, Thomas, Arnot, Foley, Conca) as you can see we dont have much in this area. Miles is brilliant, Cotch can win his own ball when he wants, Conca hasnt been fit for 2 years and there are some question marks here. Thomas and Arnot are back up, while Foley is retired. We got smashed yesterday and when we do get smashed, there is noone else that can go in and win the hard stuff. We need 1-2 here
Outside mids - (Lids, Dusty, Mcintosh, Grigg,B Ellis, Lambert, Drummond, CEllis) a lot of skill and penetration here. We just dont have the inside mids to get the ball to them. When we win the contested ball these guys are unstoppable. Like yesterday, when we dont, these guys go missing. Nothing here to improve on, these guys are all class. However, you can never have to much class, and we need to keep lookig toward the future. So maybe 1-2 here, but not urgent.
Rucks - 3 (Maric, Hampson, Soldo) Looking quite weak here at the moment. Maric has been amazing since crossing over, but every year his body is getting more run down and will have 2 years left in him. Hampson is still iffy, and Soldo is such a project player. you need 3 ruckman and we have 1 and a half. 1-2 here, with 1 of them being rookies will do the trick

so looking at it this way, what we are crying out for in the next year or 2 is: 2 inside mids, 1-2 medium forwards, 1-2 medium backs, 1-2 small backs, a ruckman and 2 kpd.

The rest of the positions are well stocked (some perhaps too much) and we have enough good players there that can do the job.
The problem is is that the players we need are such a premium, you dont necessarily get them in the draft., so our recruitment team need to be creative and find some diamonds, or we have to trade for them.

 

[PaddyO]

sorry for coming into your board but there were some glaring issues that separated Richmond from just making up numbers in the finals and actually competing for the premiership.

1. Another big CHB-should look at targeting one of wce surplus of backs target 1 should be Mitch brown. Will also let rance rebound and attack more

2. Some real mongrel from the players in the middle to assist the players being tagged. Hawthorn Geelong ect never let their stars be cut out through games others would go and rough up the taggers which Richmond didn't do.

3. Crumbing forward- a quick young X factor forward will bring an extra dimension to your forward line. Will also help capitalise on Riewoldt and vickery's aerial abilities

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[PaddyO]

What would it take to get Kruezer from Carlton?

 

[Infamy]

What would it take to get Kruezer from Carlton?

$500k per year and a clean medical report from our doctors

 

[TigerImposter]

What would it take to get Kruezer from Carlton?

a miracle based on history

 

[theflea]

Hopefully Astbury gets his knees right. How quickly we forget how good he was last year when Rance was out injured. I'd like to see Astbury replace Chaplin. That should be priority #1. I also think that we look at Carlisle.

Griffiths needs to be traded. Don't care where, to who and what for. He is a spud. Target a ruckman not getting a game such as Hannath from Freo. Speculative ruckman as Kruizer is not the answer.

We need another inside mid and out side mid. Outside mids - Bennell and / or Yarran. Maybe look at Hall. Selwood as an inside mid ?

I would definitely ask Dangerfield what his asking price is. He is worth more that whatever Cotchin and Lids are getting paid simply because he has a track record of finding another gear in finals. something NONE of our players have. If any players have a whinge about payments, just give them a copy of the three failed Elimination finals..

Would you trade Griff for reddon from the lions?

 

[Infamy]

I think the first thing we need to do is make sure Lennon & Grimes sign new contracts, probably Grigg too

 

[theflea]

maybe next year as Maric is not getting younger, but i thought he halved the contest between him and Goldie, and Goldie is the starting AA ruck, and won a swag of media awards, and might taken home the Chas. So between him, Reiwoldt, Rance, Grimes, Miles, how many clear winners did the Tigs have. Obviously Ivan was not a winner. But gees, Dusty had a first quarter to behold, ok, he basically went missing then, but that was one of his best quarters. 'preciate they are "quarters", not "games".

Dusty got the ball a heap in the first quarter but then just blindly kicked It long to nobody and they got it back with ease. Imo it was shite from a supposed good decision maker.

 

[tigerisland]

Vlaustin needs to step up. He needs to get fitter and be an inside mid monster. He can do it. Dea dominates the 2's and could fill his position. I know we all want to get all these players but we need to be realistic. Ruckman is priority number 1 followed by a TALL inside mid (Dom Tyson would of been perfect).

Also we need operation get Brett Kirk to tiger land as a senior assistant. He will be fantastic.

 

[Tigez 4 Life]

And to think we could of had Fyfe with the Griff pick

 

[Mr Magic]

I think we need a rethink and push things a few years back.

I would be chasing Bennell, Weller and Treloar in particular and chase FA targets later possibly.

We can trade out players to get the picks and reshape our list management. This is the way to go IMO.

2016 to be a development year as we build again.

I think GWS and GCS are several years off to so they will not be an issue