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What are the question marks over your team in 2022?
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We never wanted a banged up O’meara or a flaky Wingard bud. The players we went for were out and out guns and pretty much all of them signed on with their original club.
There are posters on here who think your midfield matches up with ours and I find it hilarious.
My initial comment was clearly tongue in cheek. You have Mitchell along with some handy players who all mostly in the later end of their career. My comment was mainly aimed at your youth in that area as you’re rebuilding and I think that area needs a lot of work.
The investing in the draft comment was specifically about ‘midfielders.’ Dating back to 2016 North have picked 6 mids with first round picks and that’s not even including second round picks. Apart from Ward who hasn’t played, have you picked any other mid in that time?
Hawthorn supporters clearly think they have some talented players, but it is a must that a team has a batch of first round mids to become a premiership contender. Then you need to give them time to develop and also account for some of them not making the grade. Go look at your 3 peat as an example.
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Yeah Jared Polec is a gun
If Lazarro and Powell are classed as mids, Will Day is one
We went with KPD in DGB which is surprising that you didn't
We have picked up mids with our second rounders the last few years, in the hope a few click (Finn, Downie, Mitchell, Butler, Mcdonald) as wtell as Newcombe in the mid season draft
But they all wont make it
No-one is saying we will be top 4, but to dismiss our youth without them really having the opportunity is very short sighted thing to do
Example, based on that thinking, LDU was washed 18 months ago, players take time
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Agreed. I don't dismiss them . I would question them. And your right, some will make it / some will not. And the half dozen names you mention. As an outsider , I hardly know any of them , but none of them would have played 10 games .[ I think] You also have a couple of green young rucks to support an aging BB [ who has been fantastic] - they probably haven't played 10 games between them.
Both clubs are rebuilding . Players take time. North who like you are on the right track. But it will also take time. The question mark for both these clubs is how long this time will take?? 2022 is a development year for both these clubs , to give these kids you mention games.
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The ones I have for Adelaide coming into 2022:
1) Does Thilthorpe continue on development wise? Seems to have a superstar level talent seeing what he showed this year, but of course, talent is only part of the story when it comes to development.
2) How does Adelaide's defence develop in 2022? One of the things that Adelaide really lucked out on was potentially finding the key back pairing for the next decade+ in 2021 with the emergence of Jordan Butts, and Nick Murray, and the club seemingly made the right move in not retaining Talia to let this pair flourish. Are both capable of repaying that faith? Other questions involved in the Adelaide defensive conundrum are does Jones go on and lock down a dashing small defender role? Does Doedee stay as a third tall, or does he get shifted to a medium defender to accommodate Worrell (or Frampton)? Do Hamill, or McPherson finally make good on the potential he's showed in the last couple of years? Does Parnell find his way into the best 22? Ultimately, I feel like one of the goals of 2022 is that we should be rather settled on what our long term defence looks like by the end of the year.
3) The direction we take Brayden Cook in as a footballer. Showed a bit in the backend, is talked about as one of the most talented players in our system and is the closest I've ever seen to a blank slate as a footballer, in that he likely has the tools to be successful in any non KP positions that we could play him in. Do we opt for a 1-2 punch in the forward with Gollant behind Thilthorpe/Walker, or do we look towards Cook becoming an inside, or outside midfielder?
4) How does the addition of Dawson change the outlook of the team? Does it impact Seedsman who could be a one-season wonder? Does it impact Sholl, or is he able to bounce back after a poor end to the year?
5) Schoenberg looked on the verge of a breakout come the end of 2021 with some very promising performances. Berry looks a promising inside midfielder as well and had a solid 2021 in a half forward role. Do both of them find a role in our inside group moving forwards? Alternatively, does Hately bounce back from a poor 2021?
6) How does Josh Rachele impact Adelaides fortunes in 2022? The weakest sector the club has at the moment is in it's small to mid forward stocks and really, if he's as talented as the pick 6 the club spent on him indicates, he'll find himself in the squad rather quickly. Alternatively, can McAdam/Rowe find something extra to their game and cement themselves as a best 22 option.
7) The mystery that is Fischer McAsey. This kind of links into the 2nd set of question, but our pick 6 in 2019 has certainly struggled in defence in 2021 after what what was a difficult preseason. Can he force his way into our defensive set up going forward in 2022, or in our forward line as foil for Thilthorpe? Will it be time for both parties to part way at the end of the year?
8) Can Matt Crouch and Wayne Milera stay healthy? Do they have a role moving forwards or have a missed year put them in the cold? On a similar note, can Luke Pedlar get a clear run at it in 2022 and begin to push himself towards selection seeing he's a talented lad.
9) How does Darren Burgess impact Adelaides fortunes. Are we noticeably fitter and stronger, or will it take two years to really get a grips on the impact of this hire?
10) Adelaide's third tall spot in the forward line, seeing once Tex is back, Tex and Thilthorpe will be our 1-2 punch. Do we opt for Fogarty, or Gollant?
11) Finally, can Adelaide improve on its 7-15 record in 2022 and push towards the 10 wins mark? Can the club take out a couple of top 4-8 teams again? It's going to be a transitional year, and there will certainly be opportunities for any of the current bottom four to string a good month or two if they're good enough.
1) Does Thilthorpe continue on development wise? Seems to have a superstar level talent seeing what he showed this year, but of course, talent is only part of the story when it comes to development.
2) How does Adelaide's defence develop in 2022? One of the things that Adelaide really lucked out on was potentially finding the key back pairing for the next decade+ in 2021 with the emergence of Jordan Butts, and Nick Murray, and the club seemingly made the right move in not retaining Talia to let this pair flourish. Are both capable of repaying that faith? Other questions involved in the Adelaide defensive conundrum are does Jones go on and lock down a dashing small defender role? Does Doedee stay as a third tall, or does he get shifted to a medium defender to accommodate Worrell (or Frampton)? Do Hamill, or McPherson finally make good on the potential he's showed in the last couple of years? Does Parnell find his way into the best 22? Ultimately, I feel like one of the goals of 2022 is that we should be rather settled on what our long term defence looks like by the end of the year.
3) The direction we take Brayden Cook in as a footballer. Showed a bit in the backend, is talked about as one of the most talented players in our system and is the closest I've ever seen to a blank slate as a footballer, in that he likely has the tools to be successful in any non KP positions that we could play him in. Do we opt for a 1-2 punch in the forward with Gollant behind Thilthorpe/Walker, or do we look towards Cook becoming an inside, or outside midfielder?
4) How does the addition of Dawson change the outlook of the team? Does it impact Seedsman who could be a one-season wonder? Does it impact Sholl, or is he able to bounce back after a poor end to the year?
5) Schoenberg looked on the verge of a breakout come the end of 2021 with some very promising performances. Berry looks a promising inside midfielder as well and had a solid 2021 in a half forward role. Do both of them find a role in our inside group moving forwards? Alternatively, does Hately bounce back from a poor 2021?
6) How does Josh Rachele impact Adelaides fortunes in 2022? The weakest sector the club has at the moment is in it's small to mid forward stocks and really, if he's as talented as the pick 6 the club spent on him indicates, he'll find himself in the squad rather quickly. Alternatively, can McAdam/Rowe find something extra to their game and cement themselves as a best 22 option.
7) The mystery that is Fischer McAsey. This kind of links into the 2nd set of question, but our pick 6 in 2019 has certainly struggled in defence in 2021 after what what was a difficult preseason. Can he force his way into our defensive set up going forward in 2022, or in our forward line as foil for Thilthorpe? Will it be time for both parties to part way at the end of the year?
8) Can Matt Crouch and Wayne Milera stay healthy? Do they have a role moving forwards or have a missed year put them in the cold? On a similar note, can Luke Pedlar get a clear run at it in 2022 and begin to push himself towards selection seeing he's a talented lad.
9) How does Darren Burgess impact Adelaides fortunes. Are we noticeably fitter and stronger, or will it take two years to really get a grips on the impact of this hire?
10) Adelaide's third tall spot in the forward line, seeing once Tex is back, Tex and Thilthorpe will be our 1-2 punch. Do we opt for Fogarty, or Gollant?
11) Finally, can Adelaide improve on its 7-15 record in 2022 and push towards the 10 wins mark? Can the club take out a couple of top 4-8 teams again? It's going to be a transitional year, and there will certainly be opportunities for any of the current bottom four to string a good month or two if they're good enough.
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I love that you keep putting up posts that show you have no clue about the Hawthorn list.
If you’re so certain North will improve so much in 2022 then maybe throw some money on them because right now they are the hot hot favorite to win the spoon.
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True.
However unlike other Hawthorn supporters you are very reluctant to forecast where your Hawks will finish this year. They are currently $6 for the 8. Now that is tremendous value.
Have you got them in the finals 
Yes they are.
However unlike other Hawthorn supporters you are very reluctant to forecast where your Hawks will finish this year. They are currently $6 for the 8. Now that is tremendous value.
Have you got them in the finals 
Lol.
I love how Hawks fans are beating their chests on how good they think their team is. The club just tried to fast track the rebuild by selling off old players......and failed to achieve that goal. So that would suggest the rebuild wasn't fast tracked as the older stars are still there.
Just proves they have no idea on how their team compares to others.
Let's just bookmark this thread and see how 2022 pans out.
No point in discussing so let's see how they go.
BTW who will kick the goals?
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Hawks fans aren't beating their chests about how good they'll be at all, they're just correcting people like yourself who are so opinionated about a list that they clearly know very little about.
You just posted that Hawthorn will have Frost and McEvoy as key defenders, which tells me you don't know what you're talking about.
Lol, what do you mean “if” Powell is classed as a mid?
He’s a Clayton Oliver style midfielder that broke statistical records in the SA u/18 comp as a midfielder. Played all his games for North out of the center square despite being about 75kg.
In fact, Powell may even be our best long term midfield prospect.
He’s as close to a pure midfielder as you can possibly get.
How does a team regress with good players coming back and a player for example like Day who barely played but when he did was very good.
Ruck Ned Reeves was good in his 5 games, Frost isn't that old and we have DGB who has showed a bit and is a high pick, McEvoy probably wont ruck much if at all.
We had double figure numbers last year from our best 22, 11 in the Dogs game and it was 5+ most of the time late in the year with Gunston and Sicily missing the whole year.
Hawks depth was shown because of this ^^
I'd do it if i was legally allowed toTrue.
Yes they are.
However unlike other Hawthorn supporters you are very reluctant to forecast where your Hawks will finish this year. They are currently $6 for the 8. Now that is tremendous value.
Clarry is a big bodied inside mid, 187/188cm, Powell is not that type, he's more of a class player (as shown by his hand skills.) he's also 183/184cm.
He has some ability no doubt but he's just not that type, not someone i'd compare him to, idk who i would tbh he's unique.
He has good handskills and can find the footy he's at a good weight but his height will stop him from being super similar to Clarry, probably not ever going to have that contested game either.
Powell isn’t a contested animal like Oliver. Few are. But to label him anything other than a pure balanced inside/outside mid given what he produced in 2021 and his draft year, is a little silly.
Lazaro I will give you.
Haha ok. I’m not going to get into a debate about Tom Powell’s contested ability because of 2cm.
He led North for tackles prior to getting injured and he is nowhere near AFL maturity yet.
He was arguably our most creative outlet around the stoppages also.
Please let me know Tom Mitchell and Lachie Neales heights, Powell is what, 3” taller than them?
The original response was regarding him not even being a midfielder..
Powell averaged more clearances and contested possessions in his first year at 73 kgs than tom Mitchell did In his second year.
It's not really the height, Titch isn't a similar type to Clarry and neither is Neale.
That was what i was arguing, he may build a body to get the contested game, but i haven't seen the natural ability that i saw from Neale/Titch.
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Tom Mitchell was a forward..
And?
And he would obviously have less clearances and contested possessions than a player who played as a midfielder. Or spent anytime around the ball.
So it’s not the height, weight or inexperience. It’s the “vibe”?
Is it hard going through life with only the one eye?
.. Clarry isn't the same type of player as Neale or Titch.
So it’s not the height, weight or inexperience. It’s the “vibe”?
Is it hard going through life with only the one eye?
Only similarities are that Clarry, Neale and Titch can all win the footy on the inside.
Powell is more similar to Mitchell and Neale than Clarry. But it depends if he builds the body both Neale and Mitchell have and have had.
Powell has the similar hand skills, ball winning that (Neale/Mitchell) have.
Each of those 3 have different other strengths aswell while Clarry just isn't similar enough.
So it's the height and way Clarry plays compared to Powell, the weight in comparison to the other two whether he gets to their levels and the inexperience wasn't brought up by me.
We discussed, Oliver and I agreed that few, including Powell are that type of contested beast.
Then you said
“That was what i was arguing, he may build a body to get the contested game, but i haven't seen the natural ability that i saw from Neale/Titch.”
Then I said that in his first season Powell was better at winning contested possession than Mitchell in his second season.
As a bonus, Powell also beat Neale in contested possessions in their respective first season. Clearances were 1.7 vs 0.6 Powell’s way.
So from all that, again, we get this
“That was what i was arguing, he may build a body to get the contested game, but i haven't seen the natural ability that i saw from Neale/Titch.”
