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AusVax state "AusVaxSafety does not specifically ask participants the reason why they accessed medical care in the days following vaccination. Therefore medical attendance reported may or may not be related to any adverse events reported.".....
Its wrong therefore for you to assume that by saying "1.1% of Covid-19 doses (vs Influenza 0.3%) results in the person seeking a GP or ER/Hospital/medical attention"
Hmmm... I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that ~94% of the population there are double dosed?
Also... I'm still curious, have you ever reported a sore vaccination site for a flu vaccine in the past?
I doubt most of the Covid-19 statistics I see. None of it is perfect and we can all pick faults in the data if we look for it.
Australia's official Covid-19 death statistics are obviously inaccurate when I see the likes of a 15year old Sydney boy who dies from pneumococcal meningitis but because he was Covid-19 positive he gets recorded and reported as a Covid-19 death.
The table and numbers you quoted were for NSW NOT Australia. How about you refer to the NSW Vaccination percentages? That's what I did, BTW.Australia's population is currently about 78% double dosed (over 16% have had 0 Covid-19 jabs).
So no, that does not account for numbers of 159,127 vs 779.
The table and numbers you quoted were for NSW NOT Australia. How about you refer to the NSW Vaccination percentages? That's what I did, BTW.
This joker is really trying to use having a sore arm as some kind of horrific reaction to the jab....
Actually i need a new set of spotlights for my ute. My just go get my booster and kill 2 birds with one stone.Wait till they get a hold of this horrific reaction to the vaccine
A Melbourne woman says her ‘headlights’ changed after getting double jabbed
An awkward vaccine side effect has been reported by a Victorian woman who claims her body’s “high beams” have been permanently switched on since getting double jabbed.www.news.com.au
You do realise you are excluding 46,955 cases where they haven't determined the vaccination status (we have no way of telling what the spread is here) as well as 18,343 cases who are unvaccinated due to ineligibility? At the bare minimum you should be including the 18,343 as they currently have received no effective dose.Good point ... so let's analyse that thought ...
The NSW vaccination rates for 12+ are currently 94.7% first dosed and 93.1% fully dosed.
At the time of the reporting period for the week ending 8/1/22 it was about 92.8% fully dosed.
So we can say about 5.5%-6% of 12+ had no jabs as at 8/1/22.
Now if we look at those 159,127 vs 779 numbers in isolation we get;
Double dosed: 159,127 = (159,127/(159,127+779)) = 99.5%
*No effective dose: 779 = (779/(159,127+779)) = 0.5%.
(*NB: No effective dose actually includes 1st dose 0-13 days.)
So when you dig deeper and include your consideration of the vaccination percentages, it further shows those case numbers indicate the double dose vaccinations have a negative effect on protection against infection.
Actually i need a new set of spotlights for my ute. My just go get my booster and kill 2 birds with one stone.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-16/boy-15-years-old-dies-with-covid-19-osama-subuh/100379396
Seems the hospital stated that this unfortunate death was WITH covid, not OF covid. Can you show where this death has been recorded in the official covid statistics?
Also... still interested in whether you've ever reported a sore injection site from a flu vaccine?
You do realise you are excluding 46,955 cases where they haven't determined the vaccination status (we have no way of telling what the spread is here) as well as 18,343 cases who are unvaccinated due to ineligibility? At the bare minimum you should be including the 18,343 as they currently have received no effective dose.
I'm curious... have you reviewed Table 5 on page 7 of the document you originally linked to start this off? The one that shows hospitalisation and death statistics based on vaccination status?
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Seems being vaccinated is having a positive impact on hospitalisation and death.
Also... you seem to be ignoring my question on whether you've ever reported a sore injection site for a flu vaccination so I'll assume that your answer is "no".
Also... you seem to be ignoring my question on whether you've ever reported a sore injection site for a flu vaccination so I'll assume that your answer is "no".
In general, I encourage people to critically analyse statistics.
You have pretty clearly demonstrated over the past few pages that you have no idea what this concept means or how to apply it. Like all of your ilk, when people point out where you are clearly wrong, you ignore it and spew out some more tables/stats/long posts.
Not going to comment on the first part of my post pointing out the folly of not including 18,343 cases in your numbers where I am discussing the most recent data that you're presenting? Excluding these cases completely invalidates your analysis. Also... it's a bit odd that you are accusing me of not wanting to discuss the data while we are discussing the data.Why are you referencing a table that shows data back to the 26/11/21?
That is the past with completely different vaccination rates and considerations.
Why don't you want to continue to discuss the most recent data reported that relates more to our current environment?
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10-19 Year old Male; Aug ‘21, NSW, 15 year old, Osama Suduh.
"The teenager from southwest Sydney died in August after contracting pneumococcal meningitis, and while he was also COVID-positive it was not the reason for his hospitalisation or death."
Deaths typically get reported in those Health department tables very quickly.Potentially the coroner investigation post Osama's death revealed more information that lead to it being recorded as a covid death? kingswood71 may be able to comment more on this? This could be a case of Primary COD vs contributing factors?
Potentially the death within that 10-19 male range wasn't reported in the media at the parents behest?
This is outside of my knowledge so can only speculate here.
my monitoring.
Not going to comment on the first part of my post pointing out the folly of not including 18,343 cases in your numbers where I am discussing the most recent data that you're presenting? Excluding these cases completely invalidates your analysis. Also... it's a bit odd that you are accusing me of not wanting to discuss the data while we are discussing the data.
I would interpret the current case numbers as a pointer to the importance to have a booster shot rather than anything else. If you refer to the breakdown of cases around August last year then the unvaccinated are way over represented compared to those that had 2 doses. Avoiding that in the current environment is important, wouldn't you think? I'd imagine a significant proportion of the "2 doses" group have not had a third dose and we have quite a bit of variance in the levels of protection within this group.
Look, I think you are trying to use some rather flawed mathematical equations to prove some sort of point about vaccine hesitancy which I just can't see any link/relevance.I didn't exclude those groups you focus on. I actually even mentioned they existed in my initial post about the case numbers.
If I was cherry picking and trying to exaggerate my argument I would have added the 1st dosed numbers 14+ days in to the equation making it look even worse. And also remember those 779 no effective dose numbers include 1st dosed 0-13 days.
I find the fact that there are 46,955 Under Investigation very dodgy and remarkable that this far in to the pandemic they fail to know who is and isn't vaccinated. Another reason why I don't trust these NSW Health reported statistics. I don't blame you for questioning it. You should.
How can I include those 18,343 for <12 year olds unless that is broken down in to the same vaccination classifications (ie. 2 dosed, 1 dosed 14+ days, no effective dose, unidentified ...) and then you need to also consider the changes to the vaccination rates. That is, as at 8/1/22 NSW population (0+) had about 21%+ unvaxxed.
Takes me back to the other day in the Mandatory Vacc / Medical Exemptions thread, where someone brought up recent UK data (mid Dec to mid Jan) and tried to spin anti vaccination efficacy. Interestingly the unlinked cases (to vaccination status) were only between 6-9% of cases (depending on which age bracket), so a more defined picture than the NSW figures mentioned, and that data showed disproportionately more infections among the unvaccinated (I didn't get a response). Posting an excerpt below - note: I only looked at 18+ since that anti-vax poster favoured looking at those age brackets (and 18+ vaccination rates were easy enough to find).Look, I think you are trying to use some rather flawed mathematical equations to prove some sort of point about vaccine hesitancy which I just can't see any link/relevance.
You can't exclude cases who are not vaccinated. You can't exclude the "under investigation" cases (which, in my opinion, would be mainly made up of unvaccinated people withholding/unable to communicate their status). You are using raw data without knowing any information about that data (e.g. how long ago was their second dose, are any of them 3rd dosed, etc). There are way too many holes in the data to do the calculations you are trying to do.
In any case, I haven't been a part of this discussion for a loooooooong time and have only recently been curious to see what is going on here because, at this point in time, I don't really believe there are any true "vaccine hesitant" individuals any more. Those that were going to be vaccinated, or were hesitant and flipped are now vaccinated, those that aren't vaccinated at this point are never going to be vaccinated.
Given you have never had a flu vaccine, I'm going to also assume you fall into the second category (correct me if I'm wrong). So at this point, why are we still trying to argue/prove anything about the vaccine? There are plenty of stats that support the vaccine's ability to prevent hospitalisation and death over the course of the pandemic. It is undeniable that it has saved lives.