What is the difference between Mark Harvey and Chris Connolly?

[theGav56]

dont think harvs would have had much to do with recruitment.

If he didn't he should have been wondering what he was doing here. He was at the club Solomon was recruited from and knows him extremely well, and the Tarrant/Solomon trading was symbiotic.

Harvey was not recruited as just another assistant coach. He was recruited specifically to fill some gaps, and to add a huge amount of experience from a succesful club. He would be one of the most experienced and best paid assistant since the game began. I have no doubt he would have been included at all significant strategic meetings, including recruitment and the evaluation of the club's needs for the following season. In addition, if he was not supportive of Tarrant being traded then why has he shown in his own selections that he supports him as opposed to Murphy, Campbell, Drum , or Bradley (who he did trade for).

 

[Lach72]

If he didn't he should have been wondering what he was doing here. He was at the club Solomon was recruited from and knows him extremely well, and the Tarrant/Solomon trading was symbiotic.

Harvey was not recruited as just another assistant coach. He was recruited specifically to fill some gaps, and to add a huge amount of experience from a succesful club. He would be one of the most experienced and best paid assistant since the game began. I have no doubt he would have been included at all significant strategic meetings, including recruitment and the evaluation of the club's needs for the following season. In addition, if he was not supportive of Tarrant being traded then why has he shown in his own selections that he supports him as opposed to Murphy, Campbell, Drum , or Bradley (who he did trade for).

Murphy? You're joking? Murphy is playing like a crab... 2 kicks until half time last week...Campbell doesn't cut the mustard when he comes up...I think Drum will be playing and, even though I personally think he's a crab, Kepler probably will play.

The coach is the one who gets the bouquets and gets the brick bats and he would have the say over trades.
I have no issues with Solomon, if you do, you don't watch our games.

Matt Carr playing for the gummies last week is an indicator of where we are going...Peake will be gone...and we may get a few shellackings along the way as guys like the Brockinator and Plamer, Mayne and Hinkley find their feet...and it may take time to overcome the way we have played for the last few years.

But that's right...the guy has only a few weeks to do it? Right?

 

[theGav56]

Murphy? You're joking? Murphy is playing like a crab... 2 kicks until half time last week...Campbell doesn't cut the mustard when he comes up...I think Drum will be playing and, even though I personally think he's a crab, Kepler probably will play.

The coach is the one who gets the bouquets and gets the brick bats and he would have the say over trades.
I have no issues with Solomon, if you do, you don't watch our games.

Matt Carr playing for the gummies last week is an indicator of where we are going...Peake will be gone...and we may get a few shellackings along the way as guys like the Brockinator and Plamer, Mayne and Hinkley find their feet...and it may take time to overcome the way we have played for the last few years.

But that's right...the guy has only a few weeks to do it? Right?

Do you just skim read threads then make up answers that suit you rather than the thread you are commenting on?

I have said nowhere that I have any issues with Solomon but think it is naive to think that Harvey would have had no input to a trade involving him. He coached the guy for years, knows him well, knows his fitness issues etc.

I am also not advocating Murphy or Campbell, but Tarrant was recruited becaue neither of them "cut the mustard", pure and simple. Harvey became our forward coach when Tarrant was recruited and while the coach definitely takes responsibility for trades as well as everything else, the forward coach and someone of Harvey's background would have a strong input. Solomon was also recruited for the forward line. There is no way you would appoint a forward coach then make significant structural changes to the forward line without his input.

Your thoughts on M Carr and Peake may be correct, but the team selected for round 1 was a clear indication that the coach thought we were in premiership mode (as with Johnson and Bradley's appointments). Since then we have seen that miscalculation revised.

And I am not suggesting that he should have a "few weeks" to do it. He needs a couple of years like any new coach. The difference with Harvey is that he is not starting from Base 1. He knows our list intimately, and calculated that it was premiership material. He knows each of the players abilities and weaknesses. The debate on Harvey as a coach is driven (on this Board) by the posters who last year and before advocated a change of coach because that was all our team needed for success, the missing ingredient, the one impediment to a Premiership, someone who will bring hardness and a simple game plan.

 

[Belnakor]

You can still watch games like that Chook, just go along to a WAFL match instead... The no touch rules the umpires enforce in the AFL and bench rotations have made the AFL what it is. If you can't run the 100 m in under say 15 seconds (?) you can forget getting drafted.

All players are beginning to look the same - about 6'2 ish, cross country runners who are quick out of the blocks. They are looking at players who are athletes, and they believe coaching is at the level where you don't need a "Football" brain. You just need to be quick and run. Sure there are a few freaks out there who aren't exceptional athletes, but by and large the best players out there now are great athletes, not great footballers.

 

[Lach72]

Do you just skim read threads then make up answers that suit you rather than the thread you are commenting on?

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Poshman:
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B]I don't think they indicated through the draft they where in premiership mode, He cut a heap of dead wood last year, and will do so again, with delistings and retirements we could be looking at 15-20 new (1st and 2nd season) players on the list. Thats a big change. Keplar we got for nothing, they didn't think anyone in the draft could make it and he is young and a former top pick. Johnson, also got for nothing. He could add some steel to the team, and if he plays 5-10 solid games a year would have been a great pick up.[/B]

One might say the same....and I would argue that your argument says that competitiveness is enough because that's all we got, in a sporadic fashion, from Connolly.

As for the recruiting, I think you could reasonably that the appointment of Chris Bond and Matthew Lloyd's brother indicates a level of dissatisfaction with the way recruiting is done...and by extension that the selection of Johnson and Bradley was a reflection of this uncertainty.

 

[Cisco Kid]

All players are beginning to look the same - about 6'2 ish, cross country runners who are quick out of the blocks. They are looking at players who are athletes, and they believe coaching is at the level where you don't need a "Football" brain. You just need to be quick and run. Sure there are a few freaks out there who aren't exceptional athletes, but by and large the best players out there now are great athletes, not great footballers.

Except ours who are various sizes cant jump over a tin can , cant run to catch the bus and are lining up for pension payments on a wednesday... yes you can recruit mature age players the western bulldogs have probably recruited as many if not more than us ie Aker , J Rawlings , Welsh , Hudson , Callan , Eagleton , McDougall etc but you cant keep doing it year in year out , this year we got some good young kids but still went for some old/recycleds .... We need to develop our own culture and players the sooner we start doing that the sooner we will improve... I think Harvs will be a great coach for us but will need to start from scratch we need tall and small defenders , midfielders and some nippy goalkickers , rioli , stokes , daveys etc

Give the man time but will need to keep on making the tuff decisions on recruitment ...

 

[wehavethepassion]

Harvey will have a CEO which will allow the footy and recruiting depts do their jobs without interference.

 

[Latro]

Dont see how you can put previous years drafting or trades on Harvey, He may of been involved in the process but the final decision has to remain with Connolly.

The only thing you could hold against Harvey so far would be recruiting Johnson and Bradley.