What will Bush do??

[Macca19]

What will Bush and America do now??
How will they retaliate.

If noone owns up soon will America just go on an all out attack on all the suspects just to prove a point that America will not be attacked. By this i mean, will America choose to 'kill off' all the suspects by bombing the palestinians, the afghans, the israelis, iraq??
I surely hope not, but it is a possibility.

Will they be all calm and not attack anyone at all??

I think the answer will come out within the next few weeks.
Lets hope another War does not start...altho i think we will be wishful thinking to suggest America wont retaliate with more acts of violence.

 

[Chicago1]

The terrorists will be identified, captured and brought to justice. Do not doubt that!

Why would we be mad at the Israelis? It is probably because of our support for the state of Israel that this terrorism occurred! It will become even stronger as time passes. MY support for Israel certainly has.

Now do you see why the Afghan boat people wanted to flee their country? Afghanistan proudly harbours Bin Laden and his gang of murderers. Who would want to live in a nation like that!

 

[Boof458]

Originally posted by Chicago1
The terrorists will be identified, captured and brought to justice. Do not doubt that!

Why would we be mad at the Israelis? It is probably because of our support for the state of Israel that this terrorism occurred! It will become even stronger as time passes. MY support for Israel certainly has.

Now do you see why the Afghan boat people wanted to flee their country? Afghanistan proudly harbours Bin Laden and his gang of murderers. Who would want to live in a nation like that!

I am sure there are extremist Israelis's that think the USA has given too much support for the PLO in the peace process

These people would have had nothing to do with this though.

I don't think this should affect our opinions on the Israel/Palestine problem

That problem is centuries old and there are wrong doings on both sides of the equation.

Somehow we must find peace, where there is none.

I hope in a way this was not a middle eastern terroritst act but was some other group of crazies at it would be better for the world peace situation.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Chicago1
The terrorists will be identified, captured and brought to justice. Do not doubt that!

Now do you see why the Afghan boat people wanted to flee their country? Afghanistan proudly harbours Bin Laden and his gang of murderers. Who would want to live in a nation like that!

What scares me about your first comment is tho i believe it is true...would America be willing to blow up half the world to make sure whoever it is, is brought to justice??

I certainly would not want to live in a country where someone like Bin Laden is seen as a 'hero' amongst many many of their citizens

 

[mud n blood]

IMHO the yanks are quite entitled to turn each and every one of those rag-top middle-eastern countries into a giant parking lot.

F*ck the lot of them.

btw - and we're thinking of letting a boatload of them in ?

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Realistically, what exactly can the USA do ?

This what makes 'terrorism' so much more powerful than open warfare.

The greatest nation on earth has shown to be absolutely powerless against a handful of well organised hijackers with knives.

Oh sure the USA can TRY and identify the culprits, but even if they manage to do this - how are they going to retaliate ?

Lets just suppose it is Osama Bin Laden who was responsible for this (as seems likely).

- How will the USA bring Bin Laden to justice ?

kidnap him from his safe haven in the rugged hills southwest of Kabul ?

He would see them coming and run away and hide.

Militarily invade Afghanistan ? - hmmm better ask some the ex-Soviets how they went with the same approach 20 years ago.

Call in Airstrikes against the Bin Laden compound ? Again they tried that once before and it was a failure (Air Power will never win a war) Bin Laden just went and hid in a cave - all those bombs and rockets did stuff all.

Move for sanctions against Afghanistan ? - won't achieve anything, Afghan. is already a backward destitute country and the Taliban seemed determined to take the country back into the Dark Ages anyway.

Its the same for all these terrorist groups - you can't even properly identify them, let alone actually find them and bring them to justice.

Again the USA will seem like an impotent giant, and this is what is so devastating about terrorism.

cheers

 

[Boof458]

Originally posted by mud n blood
IMHO the yanks are quite entitled to turn each and every one of those rag-top middle-eastern countries into a giant parking lot.

F*ck the lot of them.

btw - and we're thinking of letting a boatload of them in ?

That is just a rascist and pathetic thing to say

Grouping all people who look the same or are from the same area as not human makes you the one who is not human

Fine for you to sit in your ivory tower in a peaceful country and spout tripe that goes against the principles on which our country is based

ie A fair go for all.

We don't even know who has done this yet.

how can we expect people who have been wronged to show forgiveness when people like you who are relatively not affected by this thing can sprout such racist hatred.

Take a good hard look at yourself.

Peace is the goal

Not turning the whole world into a parking lot.

 

[Chicago1]

Originally posted by Macca19


What scares me about your first comment is tho i believe it is true...would America be willing to blow up half the world to make sure whoever it is, is brought to justice??

Of course not, Macca.

The US will not just go out and "blow up half the world".

There are indeed, at this time, people trained in counterterrorism and in intelligence already working on how to find the culprits, whoever they are.

Just like after Pearl Harbor, the US will use appropriate action internally and externally to seek justice for the perpetrators.

 

[Bloodstained Angel]

Nice comment mud n blood - just kill them all and we'll be right huh ?

you have absolutely no idea at all do you ?

 

[Blues2001]

Originally posted by Macca19
What will Bush and America do now??

I don't know.. It's times like this I wish Clinton was in charge - hopefully Bush will react sensibly though.

 

[Blues_Brat]

Originally posted by Boof458


I am sure there are extremist Israelis's that think the USA has given too much support for the PLO in the peace process

These people would have had nothing to do with this though.

I don't think this should affect our opinions on the Israel/Palestine problem

That problem is centuries old and there are wrong doings on both sides of the equation.

Somehow we must find peace, where there is none.

I hope in a way this was not a middle eastern terroritst act but was some other group of crazies at it would be better for the world peace situation.

Probably one of the best posts I've read on this.

I thought the same thing this morning. I really hope it wasn't Islamic extremists.. if it was, we're all in the sh¡t.

 

[Pessimistic]

Just thank god the president isn't Reagan or ' give me the goddam button NOW" Nixon.

Bush Jr is relatively untried but if he consults his dad on this one, we might all be OK. Bush Sr conducted the gulf war as 'fairly' as was possible under the circumstances. Probably the head I'd like in charge in these circumstances.

 

[RacerX]

Re: Re: What will Bush do??

Originally posted by Blues2001


I don't know.. It's times like this I wish Clinton was in charge - hopefully Bush will react sensibly though.

I was thinking the same thing myself.

Junior Bush strikes me as a guy who has something to prove. Hopefully his advisors will stop him from making any kneejerk decisions.

 

[Frodo]

Osama Bin Laden

There is little doubt in my mind that Osama Bin Laden is behind this. He is the only force that could fund it and has openly claimed to waging a Jihad (holy war) on the American homeland involving airplaines over the past few months. His group is financially supported by several radical muslim groups in Egypt, Sudan, Palestine, Iran and Libya to name a few.
He was born in Saudia Arabia and has a huge construction business. He reportedly is worth over US$500Million which allows him to fund terrorism. In 1979 he was recruited and trained by the CIA to take a group of arabs to Afghanistan to fight the Soviet invasion there. Bin Laden won and had both US and Russian missiles as spoils of war. He went back to saudia arabia but was deported for terrorist activity. He went to the sudan and set up 3 terrorist training camps. US pressure forced him out of the Sudan and back to Afghanistan. He is a strict Muslim who believes that only true believers should be allowed in middle east countries. Infidels are to be killed. He wants the three shrines free of non believers, the main two being Mecca and Jerusalem. So the Israeli situation is the crucial one.

What can be done! This is the first time a jet plane has been used as a bomb. Clearly it must not be allowed to happen again. I believe that planes will be redesigned with a security door to the cabin, food and toilet inside the cabin and the cabin will be locked from the inside. No person would then be able to get to the cabin in flight. The plane may be blown up by terrorists but not used as a wepon of mass destruction.

Retaliation! USA will confer with other leaders in the world and try to get agreement for unified action. Regardless of the outcome of those talks (Britain, France, Russia to agree and China to disagree probably) strikes will be made on all perceived muslim terrorist bases in many territories. I would not rule out a full scale invasion of Afghanistan but more probably a bombing campaign would be initiated which would only stop once Osama Bin Laden was given up to the Americans.

 

[mud n blood]

I can't believe the soft-touch and total denial some of you politically-correct people are sprouting.

Yes - I do believe flattening the lot is the only way. A fight has been picked, and now the time has come to back it up.

What, are we gonna have to sit here and watch the yanks and various countries go thru Iraq and Serbia time and time again for the next 50 years? You are joking, right ?

You are not dealing with anyone that can be bargained with, blackmailed, convinced to, or forced to stop more or this, their sh*t. The only thing these people understand is death and carnage, so be it.

And no - I'm not a yank lover, nor do I believe the propaganda and other tripe they spruke. But we are talking an act of war here .... not terrorism like some of you are trying to play it down to.

The full impact of this catastrophe is not what we all have seen thus far. There are millions who will be directly affected by this carnage, including parent-less children. No - it won't be felt for years to come, and the world is vastly different now to what it was only 24 hours ago.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by mud n blood
IMHO the yanks are quite entitled to turn each and every one of those rag-top middle-eastern countries into a giant parking lot.

F*ck the lot of them.

btw - and we're thinking of letting a boatload of them in ?

So please let me see your list of Countries to be nuked!!

And are there any old people, children, mothers or people who disagree with the terrorism allowed to leave the Country first?

 

[TigerTank]

I think we should pause for a breather here before attacking everything Islamic.

We don't know for certain that it was Muslim extremists that did it anyway.

While they remain the most likely, there are at least 2 other possibilities:

1) Anarchist/Left wing extremists of S11 infamy: The date may not be a coincident and I have no doubt that some of the people who are involved in those kind of things are sick enough to do it.

2) Christian fundimentalist Right: Timothy McVeigh proved what they are capable of.


If it is proved that the Islamic world is responsible, then and only then should we be attacking these people.

 

[Boof458]

Mud and Blood - you are a sad individual

I speak from my heart and mind (nothing to do wiht politically correct) and I think that this is better than spouting mindless rhetoric exorting violence on innocent people

The only difference between you and those responsible for today is that they are willing to die for what they believe in. You I assume are probably not. You both stand condemned.

Do we learn nothing from histroy?

Violent responses will achieve absolutely nothing unless you want to kill every arab/Palestinian/ middle eastern person on the planet


And you certainly wouldn't be saying GENOCIDE is a good thing would you?

 

[DarkRider]

Originally posted by TigerTank
I think we should pause for a breather here before attacking everything Islamic.

We don't know for certain that it was Muslim extremists that did it anyway.

While they remain the most likely, there are at least 2 other possibilities:

1) Anarchist/Left wing extremists of S11 infamy: The date may not be a coincident and I have no doubt that some of the people who are involved in those kind of things are sick enough to do it.

2) Christian fundimentalist Right: Timothy McVeigh proved what they are capable of.

When did the left wing extremists or the Timothy McVeigh types ever deliberately kill themselves in an attack ? That is more the style of religious zealots, who are told by their leaders that heaven & martyrdom awaits anyone who kills 'enemies' of the cause and dies in the process.

It has all the earmarks of a Muslim terrorist group. The price America pays for its support of Israel. They would have to be having second thoughts about that, surely.

As for Bin Laden, talk of 'having the funds to carry this out' are a bit irrelevant. It doesn't take funds to hijack a plane with a knife and fly it into a building.

I hope they seek out the perpetrators, and bomb them back to the stone age.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by DarkRider


As for Bin Laden, talk of 'having the funds to carry this out' are a bit irrelevant. It doesn't take funds to hijack a plane with a knife and fly it into a building.

Firsty I can assure everyone that it is an Islamic attack and nothing else.

Secondly, to train four pilots alone would cost a fortune. To plan the operation, getting people into USA, on the exact planes that would hit within an hour etc would have been an enormous and expensive task for a very proffessional group.

 

[Joel]

George Bush Jnr has just said: "We will make no distininction between the terrorists and those who harbour them".

You can only guess what this means.

 

[Same Old's]

Originally posted by TigerTank
1) Anarchist/Left wing extremists of S11 infamy: The date may not be a coincident and I have no doubt that some of the people who are involved in those kind of things are sick enough to do it.

When there was a thread on the protests by S11 a few months I remember that most people said that they were a bunch of "tree hugging hippies", or words to that effect. Furthermore, people that they can't stop "globlisation" and "should go get a job", etc.

Now seriously, do you think a left-wing group, even a extreme left-wing group could/would do something like this. IMO, I don't think so. An extreme left-wing might do something like take a leader of a country "out" but would they achieve in blowing up a building. (They might not even do this.)

To me it would be more likey that a right-wing group could possibly do something like this.

 

[Frodo]

Okay, we got some guidance to Bush's thougts on this tonight.

He said those responsible would be punished along with those that harboured them.

We can expect retaliation against Afghanistan and other Countries that are homes to terrorists.

What was also said was that America would find out who their friends were by the support they get. I read that as saying your with us or against us.

I also note Kinh Abdullah of Jordan saying that if an Israeli/Palestinian peace had been brokered 11 months ago the tragedy would not have occurred.

Clearly the King knows who did it!!!!!!!!