What's wrong with Adelaide?

[FAITH]

I find as long as i'm around fun people couldnt care less whether i'm in melb or adel or anywhere else....

 

[Johnny Rutten]

There's nothing wrong with Adelaide. That is, no more than any other city. If you don't want to live here, just **** off. More air for me to breathe.

 

[Brasher]

Having lived in Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne the amusing part of the argument is that the majority of the people who live in Melbourne and Sydney who slag off at Adelaide never experience the so called benefits that set their city apart from Adelaide anyway.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Bull shit.

He will receive undue media pressure where ever he lives. The media will hound any under performing player on the sort of money he is receiving, yes...even in Sydney.

Wrong part of the media.
I doubt any player would care what idiots on Victorian talkback radio or Victorian tv shows say.

It's being bugged face to face by the local media. Tippett is bugged by Rucci, by Capel, by Cornes, by every single sports radio in this city even. He'd have to go through shit at least daily in this town.

If you're based in Melbourne, there's enough players to go around, you wouldn't be bugged by the media daily, it'd be more like weekly. Alot less pressure.

If you're based in Sydney, the local media probably wouldn't give a shit about you. Tippett could go to the Swans and stay under the radar with no media involvement what-so-ever untill Goodes retires and they need a new face for the club. But considering the history of the player. Kieran Jack is going to be that player just because his dad played 249 games in the NSWRL, 17 SoO games and 20 internationals.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Having lived in Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne the amusing part of the argument is that the majority of the people who live in Melbourne and Sydney who slag off at Adelaide never experience the so called benefits that set their city apart from Adelaide anyway.

Having lived in all 3 cities (Adl 1990, Melb 1990-1996, Syd 1996-2007, Adl 2007-present) and having gone back to those other 2 cities regularly for various reasons. What do the have to offer?

We'd need what, An extra floor on the West Lakes, Tea Tree Plaza, Elizabeth and Nourlunga shopping centres plus a decent club (rather than pub) in the north and south ends of the city plus a Luna Park?

Gain that and we're basically on par with the other cities.

 

[Magma]

it's an easy excuse for people to pull to try and justify why someone would leave.

'oh, it's cos adelaide is shit.'

yeah, go ahead and explain why.

 

[pjcrows]

Look, I love Adelaide. Born and raised, have established career and young family here and don't see myself leaving.

But, on a national scale, it's not the most... how do I put it... exciting and appealling place. As a young footballer from the east coast, it's not your first choice. Don't forget that most of our players stay, no matter where they come from. Dangerfield, Sloane, Mackay are perfect examples. Tippett's reasons for leaving have been discussed ad nauseum in the other thread.

On the "What's wrong with Adelaide?" question, I have some thoughts, just my opinion.

Firstly, the "wah wah people from Melbourne dump on Adelaide all the time" comment. South Australia has a huge inferiority complex. Melbourne doesn't give a crap about Adelaide. Sure, there's the odd jibe, but they only do it because they know South Aussies can't handle it. A lot South Aussies think Victorians sit around all day waiting stick it to SA.

Secondly, the amount of focus we put on our AFL players is moronic and borderline psychotic. Most of them can handle it, but some can't. You only have to look at the backlash when the rumours started that Tippett might leave, and had a poor game - he went from hero to zero, literally. We are pathetic in that sense.

Finally, the general psyche of Adelaide is twenty years behind. I notice it because I like to think of myself as pretty progressive and liberal (nothing wrong with the opposing viewpoint, it's just what I see) but the general consensus in Adelaide is don't change anything. It is to our detriment.

Just some thoughts. Overall, home is what you make it - and all my friends and family are here so I am happy - but if they weren't, I'd probably leave.

 

[Coopers]

Having travelled around the world - all I can say it's it's horses for courses.

If you want to live in an apartment, right in the hustle and bustle, then you go for a bigger place - Melb or Sydney, even Singapore. I can see how that's attractive to single mid 20's people.
If you're right into some kind of sub-culture, then you need a big population centre, like LA or NY.
If you want to live close to the city, great food, nice weather, nice suburbs, etc, then Adelaide is a great place.

Different people want different things. I've got a couple of young kids, nice house in the 'burbs a good life. Wouldn't live anywhere else.


TBH, saying that one city is "better" than another is stupid - "better" is hugely subjective and is a massively complicated discussion anyway.

 

[footy_noob]

This is very much true!
I love Adelaide to death, but the difficulty in finding work here in the field I want is a bitch and a half and a reason why I'm contemplating leaving!
The only capital city in Australia that would be worse for me is Hobart. Even Canberra is better! Heck, I wouldn't be shocked if Darwin is better!

same here. but that's not a reason for footballers to leave...

 

[ftmch]

Having lived in Adelaide, Sydney and Melbourne the amusing part of the argument is that the majority of the people who live in Melbourne and Sydney who slag off at Adelaide never experience the so called benefits that set their city apart from Adelaide anyway.

This is so so true

 

[FAITH]

People who find adelaide boring maybe its the people your hanging out with thats the issue

 

[Stevie_Crow]

Won't quote it in full pjcrows but you're spot on.

 

[King Elvis]

This! The stereotype about Adelaide, that we're all mulleted bogans who are all on the dole does nothing for the state. The notion that we're stuck in the 1870s, does nothing for the state. It's all about perception. And at the moment, Adelaide is perceived to be a hole. People will come here with those ideas and will not see it as it really is.

My sister's boyfriend moved over from Melbourne; still loves Melbourne, but can't believe how much he loves Adelaide as well.

My GF is from Sydney, moved to the GC, and will likely move down here next year.

Adelaide isn't boring - unless you're boring, and don't make any effort to entertain yourself.

 

[pjcrows]

This! The stereotype about Adelaide, that we're all mulleted bogans who are all on the dole does nothing for the state. The notion that we're stuck in the 1870s, does nothing for the state. It's all about perception. And at the moment, Adelaide is perceived to be a hole. People will come here with those ideas and will not see it as it really is.

To be fair, there are a lot of mulleted bogan dole bludgers in SA. And we aren't a very progressive city.

We also get too easily stirred up when someone from interstate has a crack at us. We feed our own perception.

 

[Smoooothy]

pretty hard to argue with pjcrows there.

adelaide is a great city to live, and i hate nothing more than hearing constant critisism of the place. its unwarranted most of the time

eg - snowtown. i spent a week in melbourne in 2009 and in that week, 2 bodies were found in barrels somewhere in metro melbourne, yet adelaide is the murder capital of australia..

you are right about the sa chip on the shoulder though. i still drive a car with SA numberplates, and it makes me paranoid that drivers around me will think i can't drive because i'm from adelaide

 

[footy_noob]

eg - snowtown. i spent a week in melbourne in 2009 and in that week, 2 bodies were found in barrels somewhere in metro melbourne, yet adelaide is the murder capital of australia..

i've never heard that one and whoever believes that has no clue.

To be fair, there are a lot of mulleted bogan dole bludgers in SA. And we aren't a very progressive city.

We also get too easily stirred up when someone from interstate has a crack at us. We feed our own perception.

still not a reason for footballers to leave...

 

[Danoz]

Wrong part of the media.
I doubt any player would care what idiots on Victorian talkback radio or Victorian tv shows say.

It's being bugged face to face by the local media. Tippett is bugged by Rucci, by Capel, by Cornes, by every single sports radio in this city even. He'd have to go through shit at least daily in this town.

If you're based in Melbourne, there's enough players to go around, you wouldn't be bugged by the media daily, it'd be more like weekly. Alot less pressure.

If you're based in Sydney, the local media probably wouldn't give a shit about you. Tippett could go to the Swans and stay under the radar with no media involvement what-so-ever untill Goodes retires and they need a new face for the club. But considering the history of the player. Kieran Jack is going to be that player just because his dad played 249 games in the NSWRL, 17 SoO games and 20 internationals.

You also have ex-crows like Roo and Bass constantly in your face telling you you need to put the team on your shoulders and lift them to a premiership

 

[ftmch]

Firstly, the "wah wah people from Melbourne dump on Adelaide all the time" comment. South Australia has a huge inferiority complex. Melbourne doesn't give a crap about Adelaide.

This is the thing that shit's me (not you, just this general notion of it). There are a large number of high profile media types in Melbourne (even their Lord Mayor and Premier) and to a lesser degree in Sydney, who when the topic of Adelaide comes up, will 8 times out of 10 make some form of derogatory remark about Adelaide. They don't do this to get a rise from Adelaide people, they do it because it resonates with the bulk of their audience.

That in itself is fine. They can and should hang shit on Adelaide if that is considered entertaining and humorous for them - it's all fair game. The thing that shits me to tears is when South Australian's then turn around and reference the persistent whacking they get from Melbourne or Sydney, or god forbid defend ourselves against the untruths that are spoken, we then have to put up with comments like 'Melbourne doesn't really give a crap about Adelaide', and/or that we've got an inferiority complex.

It's like the kids that prod a dog with a stick, then go crying to their mum's when the dog snarls at them. Just don't prod the effing dog if you don't like the response.

 

[NTCrow]

Instead of blaming the city or even the player for the problems with player retention, maybe it is the club's recruitment and welfare processes that need to be scrutinised. I wonder the following:

- Do the Crows actually consider interstate recruitee’s ability to adapt to living in a new environment as part of the recruitment process?
- Do they explore a interstate recruitee’s level of resilience as part of the recruitment process?
- How does the cub help the interstate recruitee adapt to the new environment?
- What does the club do when a player is struggling to adapt to the new environment?

 

[cmndstab]

The problem is born in that old saying - if you throw enough mud at the wall, some of it sticks.

Youth all over Australia are told on a regular basis that Adelaide is boring, that it's full of inbred morons, that it's a horrible place to live, and a dead-end professionally.

It's not true (the last point is debatable perhaps) but it doesn't matter whether or not it is true. What matters is that it is ingrained in the minds of Australia's youth and perception is reality for them.


Frankly, I'm surprised professional footballers would even give a damn about things like the social scene. I can't imagine they get that much spare time to go out and party anyway, and even when they do they're not able to let their hair down too much, lest they fail their skinfolds test or be photographed doing something foolish.

I can understand us losing the climate argument to Queensland-based clubs, but we have a much nicer climate here in Adelaide than any of the other cities with football teams. The annual February heatwave excluded, of course.

 

[pjcrows]

This is the thing that shit's me (not you, just this general notion of it). There are a large number of high profile media types in Melbourne (even their Lord Mayor and Premier) and to a lesser degree in Sydney, who when the topic of Adelaide comes up, will 8 times out of 10 make some form of derogatory remark about Adelaide. They don't do this to get a rise from Adelaide people, they do it because it resonates with the bulk of their audience.

That in itself is fine. They can and should hang shit on Adelaide if that is considered entertaining and humorous for them - it's all fair game. The thing that shits me to tears is when South Australian's then turn around and reference the persistent whacking they get from Melbourne or Sydney, or god forbid defend ourselves against the untruths that are spoken, we then have to put up with comments like 'Melbourne doesn't really give a crap about Adelaide', and/or that we've got an inferiority complex.

It's like the kids that prod a dog with a stick, then go crying to their mum's when the dog snarls at them. Just don't prod the effing dog if you don't like the response.

Yeah fair points.

As soon as someone says they're from Victoria though, what's the reaction in SA?

 

[pjcrows]

Instead of blaming the city or even the player for the problems with player retention, maybe it is the club's recruitment and welfare processes that need to be scrutinised. I wonder the following:

- Do the Crows actually consider interstate recruitee’s ability to adapt to living in a new environment as part of the recruitment process?
- Do they explore a interstate recruitee’s level of resilience as part of the recruitment process?
- How does the cub help the interstate recruitee adapt to the new environment?
- What does the club do when a player is struggling to adapt to the new environment?

Agree, but in the case of Tippett, we moved his freakin' brother here and payed for Kurt's flights to visit his family whenever possible. If he doesn't want to stay, he doesn't want to stay.

 

[Brasher]

Personally this thread doesn't do much but fuel an outsider's perception as to our own insecurities.

Should Adelaide not be a great place for a young man to ply his professional football career? Absolutely.
Do not as many Sydney-siders despise Melbourne and visa versa as they make less of Adelaide? Of couse.
Can I pretty much buy, eat, drink and play as much as Sydney and Melbourne? Yep (and sometimes the lack of choices is a headache removed when organising catchups)
Were the career options available to me coming out of school that I had in other cities? No, so I moved but given the right circumstances I'd probably be back.

Kurt Tippett doesn't like living in Adelaide and that's his choice. We shouldn't take this personally and we have nothing to defend or need to justify.

 

[footy_noob]

As soon as someone says they're from Victoria though, what's the reaction in SA?

no reaction from me. makes no difference. i'd be interested if they were from abroad, that's note worthy.

 

[pjcrows]

i've never heard that one and whoever believes that has no clue.


still not a reason for footballers to leave...

Tippett wants to live on the Gold Coast, where he's from.
Gunston wanted to live in Melbourne, where he's from.

Davis and Bock got exhorbinant amounts of money and would be stupid not to leave.

Flip it around - why did Jacobs leave Carlton?