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Review When does the Penny drop for Sando
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Thompson. Gets his hands on it but constantly puts team-mates under the pump with is decision making.
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Sando opening statement in his presser was that this sort of thing won't happen again...well for that not to happen hard calls need to be made on the 22 who played today and also on selection. Thommo shouldn't have played.
The rest of the presser didn't offer much. Thought it was interesting that Truck came and not VB, after a display like that the captain should be there.
Said Truck and Rory played and tried, but not too many others.
The rest of the presser didn't offer much. Thought it was interesting that Truck came and not VB, after a display like that the captain should be there.
Said Truck and Rory played and tried, but not too many others.
as I see it, one of the major problems we have is (once again) we're playing a game style that is now woefully out of date.
the slingshot style of play which Sydney and Geelong in particular have perfected kills our contested style every day of the week. instead of trying to combat it, Sando has our guys doggedly sticking to the 2012 blueprint of winning the contested ball at all costs, playing extra numbers around the contest, kicking down the line out of defence etc etc. By doing this, we play into the hands of the good teams, who stack extra numbers behind the ball so that when they create the turnover, they are perfectly placed to execute the slingshot to get the ball over the back. it was painful to watch Sydney do this to us time and again - like watching lambs to the slaughter. you would think we would have learned from last year's final but no - we walked right into their trap again and I'm sure they were as surprised as anyone. we are a bunch of amateurs and Sando has been exposed as a one trick pony.
couple this with the fact our fitness regime has been tailored to playing the contested game, with players bulking up over the last two pre seasons, IMO we've been totally set up for failure in 2013.
the slingshot style of play which Sydney and Geelong in particular have perfected kills our contested style every day of the week. instead of trying to combat it, Sando has our guys doggedly sticking to the 2012 blueprint of winning the contested ball at all costs, playing extra numbers around the contest, kicking down the line out of defence etc etc. By doing this, we play into the hands of the good teams, who stack extra numbers behind the ball so that when they create the turnover, they are perfectly placed to execute the slingshot to get the ball over the back. it was painful to watch Sydney do this to us time and again - like watching lambs to the slaughter. you would think we would have learned from last year's final but no - we walked right into their trap again and I'm sure they were as surprised as anyone. we are a bunch of amateurs and Sando has been exposed as a one trick pony.
couple this with the fact our fitness regime has been tailored to playing the contested game, with players bulking up over the last two pre seasons, IMO we've been totally set up for failure in 2013.
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The thing that worries me with sando is that he didnt make too many changes when we were getting outplayed.
Danger to the midfield?
sloane forward?
Otten forward?
Lynch back/midfield?
Henderson wing?
Vince back?
VB sub? lol couldnt resist
At half time he should have said 'Release the Shackles', and told the players to hit the corridor at all costs, play on every time and kick long. The wings should have been off limits
Danger to the midfield?
sloane forward?
Otten forward?
Lynch back/midfield?
Henderson wing?
Vince back?
VB sub? lol couldnt resist
At half time he should have said 'Release the Shackles', and told the players to hit the corridor at all costs, play on every time and kick long. The wings should have been off limits
I don't care about Melbourne's director of coaching, he's not our coach.
Stiffy got fat, Wright is still a fringe junior - they aren't hard calls.
Porps is literally embarrassing himself. Vince is lazy. Mackay doesn't get enough of it. Reilly is crap. VB is woeful. Otten is too slow.
All obvious, yet they all play week after week.
No hard calls have been made.
Half our team has been shit all year, yet we beat crap teams and then pretend everything is alright.
Piss Bickley off too.
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So what you are suggesting is dropping the highlighted players? If we did that - we would have gone into the match against the reigning premiers with 3 players who had played over 100 games.
That would have quickly turned our 77 point loss into a 120 point loss.
Firstly, if it did, so what??
I wish we lost by 20 goals.
Who cares how many games they've played, IF THEY ARE SHIT ANYWAY!!
Secondly, bullshit.
Lyons is better than VB.
Riley is better than Petrenko.
Martin is better than Porps.
Johncock is better than Callinan.
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How could losing by 20 goals be a good thing. What an absolutely stupid comment.
100% wrong on the 3 that are bolded.
I will pay the 4th one, however I think that Johncock is equally as bad as Callinan.
Irrationality on this board can be quite rife at times
I don't think KE is being overly irrational in this situation. Maybe a little, but some of the calls the selectors have made have been baffling
I'm really hoping we are getting to the bye and seeing what chance we are at it (none IMO) amd now thje hard calls will begin to be made
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Secondly I've said all along I'm a supporter of Sando however after 18 months the Geelong concern is ringing in my ears, Players are coach killers and I'm not seeing Sando making the tough calls
The Coach and playing group look a little to Cosy and IMO there needs to be the right level of tension to ensure players play on the edge
Our players are not playing on the edge
Quite frankly I think this game was lost in the preseason, forget about effort etc it is Sando's job to prepare our side to tackle the best of the best. I personally don't think our effort was that bad, it was our ability to apply a gameplan that is both shallow and out of date. A simple, contested ball game plan may have worked for much of last year in light of Craigy's overly complex, impossible to implement gameplan, but we needed to progress and we didn't.
For mine it all started with the Sydney final. It was clear that they had studied us, they came to Footy Park with a gameplan to systematically dismantle us. We were exposed, it was too soon for Fremantle and Hawthorn to adjust so we managed pretty good games against those sides, giving us a false sense of our own ability, although there were times where both gave us the run around. Since then though, the better coached sides have both progressed in their game plan and used Sydney's plan as a blue print to beat us. Sides like Essendon, Port Adelaide, Carlton, Sydney and even the Kangaroos before they choked at the end of each quarter, have dismantled us, Geelong did it in the preseason. For mine that Sydney game highlighted 3 massive short comings in our game:
1) Tackling - And its not so much the intent of our players, they all go in hard and try to tackle hard, I don't doubt this, they just don't know HOW to lay an effective tackle. Too many thick skulled Rugby players have been brought in to teach us and its all about bringing the guy to ground, less about the ball. In Rugby, guys try their hardest to hold onto the ball whilst being tackled, they don't want to lose possession, in AFL guys will try their hardest to get arms free and dish off to a team mate. Instead of turning to Rugby, we should be turning to Martial Arts such as Judo where they focus much more on the physics of tackling, understand where guys are at their strongest and where they are their weakest and how to lock the arms etc.
2) Foot skills - Were sub par last year and it was clear that if we were to progress as a football club, we should look to improve this area of our game, especially our ability to fire off quick, low 20-30m passes accurately. Hawthorn and Geelong do this especially well, Sydney too. We cannot just rely on long 50+ meter bombs to 50-50 contests from stoppage situations to win games, especially since Tippett left and even more so now that we have lost Walker for 12 months. It was these two that kept us from getting blown away in that Hawthorn final, where otherwise they may have slaughtered us.
3) Rebound 50 - Under Craig, it was the key to our game plan. We won games off of our ability to bring the ball out of the backline, if the opposition could shut down our run they would more than likely win. Even late in Craigy' tenure, if we could get on top with our drive from the back half we could challenge anyone. We've now seemingly abandoned this completely and now rely solely on clearances. As others have highlighted already, our ability to bring the ball out of D50, especially from kickouts is woeful. More often than not its just a long bomb to a contest on the half back flank to a ruckman who'd struggle to outmark Matthew Clark. IMO this is where we are seriously missing Ben Hart, Milburn is probably a decent coach, but of our 4-5 assistant coaches under Craig, he was probably the one we could least afford to lose and yet the only one we lost. You chat to any of our defenders who worked under Hart and they will tell you as much.
Where to now? Well these aren't things that can generally be fixed mid-season, more and more seasons are set up by a good preseason. Ours was a disaster in all aspects, we somehow deluded ourselves that our gameplan needed minimal changes, Sando said as much on multiple occasions, whilst our opponents went about improving their gameplans. Fk look at Sydney, they weren't that good last year, Geelong similar, Hawthorn are about the same, but then they added to their weakness in the backline with Brian Lake.
This year is looking more and more like a carbon copy of 2010, I just hope we don't fall for the whole "this is just a hicup" we'll be right next year attitude that lead to Craig's ultimate demise, especially the "we may be 0-6 attitude, but we could still make finals" outlook. We need to start preparing for next year now, it would take a miracle to even get close to a Prelim, let alone a grand final now, and that miracle would have to involve Taylor Walker undergoing some radical medical procedure to speed up the recovery time from an ACL reconstruction. We are no hope of defeating top 4 sides without a dominant forward like Walker to absorb much of the opposition defenses attention.
I'm not suggesting we start pensioning off everyone over 25 years of age, or upgrading guys straight from the SANFL reserves. However guys like Lyons, Riley or Grigg who are consistently in the best 3 for their SANFL club need to be given opportunities. If a senior guy, like Porplyzia is not performing on a consistent basis, give him a run in the magoos to see if he can't recapture some form. We also need to start working on a more offensive style game plan for next year, one that allows us to score quickly and not rely solely on winning centre clearances.
For mine it all started with the Sydney final. It was clear that they had studied us, they came to Footy Park with a gameplan to systematically dismantle us. We were exposed, it was too soon for Fremantle and Hawthorn to adjust so we managed pretty good games against those sides, giving us a false sense of our own ability, although there were times where both gave us the run around. Since then though, the better coached sides have both progressed in their game plan and used Sydney's plan as a blue print to beat us. Sides like Essendon, Port Adelaide, Carlton, Sydney and even the Kangaroos before they choked at the end of each quarter, have dismantled us, Geelong did it in the preseason. For mine that Sydney game highlighted 3 massive short comings in our game:
1) Tackling - And its not so much the intent of our players, they all go in hard and try to tackle hard, I don't doubt this, they just don't know HOW to lay an effective tackle. Too many thick skulled Rugby players have been brought in to teach us and its all about bringing the guy to ground, less about the ball. In Rugby, guys try their hardest to hold onto the ball whilst being tackled, they don't want to lose possession, in AFL guys will try their hardest to get arms free and dish off to a team mate. Instead of turning to Rugby, we should be turning to Martial Arts such as Judo where they focus much more on the physics of tackling, understand where guys are at their strongest and where they are their weakest and how to lock the arms etc.
2) Foot skills - Were sub par last year and it was clear that if we were to progress as a football club, we should look to improve this area of our game, especially our ability to fire off quick, low 20-30m passes accurately. Hawthorn and Geelong do this especially well, Sydney too. We cannot just rely on long 50+ meter bombs to 50-50 contests from stoppage situations to win games, especially since Tippett left and even more so now that we have lost Walker for 12 months. It was these two that kept us from getting blown away in that Hawthorn final, where otherwise they may have slaughtered us.
3) Rebound 50 - Under Craig, it was the key to our game plan. We won games off of our ability to bring the ball out of the backline, if the opposition could shut down our run they would more than likely win. Even late in Craigy' tenure, if we could get on top with our drive from the back half we could challenge anyone. We've now seemingly abandoned this completely and now rely solely on clearances. As others have highlighted already, our ability to bring the ball out of D50, especially from kickouts is woeful. More often than not its just a long bomb to a contest on the half back flank to a ruckman who'd struggle to outmark Matthew Clark. IMO this is where we are seriously missing Ben Hart, Milburn is probably a decent coach, but of our 4-5 assistant coaches under Craig, he was probably the one we could least afford to lose and yet the only one we lost. You chat to any of our defenders who worked under Hart and they will tell you as much.
Where to now? Well these aren't things that can generally be fixed mid-season, more and more seasons are set up by a good preseason. Ours was a disaster in all aspects, we somehow deluded ourselves that our gameplan needed minimal changes, Sando said as much on multiple occasions, whilst our opponents went about improving their gameplans. Fk look at Sydney, they weren't that good last year, Geelong similar, Hawthorn are about the same, but then they added to their weakness in the backline with Brian Lake.
This year is looking more and more like a carbon copy of 2010, I just hope we don't fall for the whole "this is just a hicup" we'll be right next year attitude that lead to Craig's ultimate demise, especially the "we may be 0-6 attitude, but we could still make finals" outlook. We need to start preparing for next year now, it would take a miracle to even get close to a Prelim, let alone a grand final now, and that miracle would have to involve Taylor Walker undergoing some radical medical procedure to speed up the recovery time from an ACL reconstruction. We are no hope of defeating top 4 sides without a dominant forward like Walker to absorb much of the opposition defenses attention.
I'm not suggesting we start pensioning off everyone over 25 years of age, or upgrading guys straight from the SANFL reserves. However guys like Lyons, Riley or Grigg who are consistently in the best 3 for their SANFL club need to be given opportunities. If a senior guy, like Porplyzia is not performing on a consistent basis, give him a run in the magoos to see if he can't recapture some form. We also need to start working on a more offensive style game plan for next year, one that allows us to score quickly and not rely solely on winning centre clearances.
I'd say he was referring to playing an injured player in Petrenko who gave us nothing. In a game you lose by a kick that is significant.
Who ever turned down Jessie White sure looks like a fool. What did that cost the Crows? A good player (who with regular consistant senior games would only get better), draft picks & a football department that looks like fools. What did they do I in the pre season? Good luck Crows, you can still make the 8, I believe. Congrates to Marty Mattner - a great career at two clubs.
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I think we all forget sometimes that Sando is a second year coach. Is that why he says such ridiculous things, because he hasn't been around the block enough to realise you can't make such outlandish statements about your club? (See season launch comments... Year of the Raven, hottest summer since 97/98.... All that bullshit.)
Or is that just his personality?
I like Sando's optimism and his belief but he talks like a guy who just landed in Australia.
You can't say we'll never play like that again, because when we do, all hell wi break loose. Comments like this seem innocuous now, but wait until he's coached a few more games. Wait until the 50, 75, 100 game mark and a few more variable results. Rucci and co. will be filing all this stuff away for sure.
Spackler talked about one of the problems with our club recently, that we've never had a coach who has had prior premiership success, and therefore, we've never really had an unwavering belief in whoever has been at the helm. With maybe the exception of Blight, who coached three Grand Finals, there has always been a seed of doubt in supporters minds that perhaps this guy in charge has no ********* idea what he's doing.
Does anyone else think that's been a recurring theme in our history? I'm not sure, but I think it's an interesting point.
The moral of this story is that Sando needs to shut up. You would never hear Mick Malthouse promise his fans that his team won't lose by 77 points again. He has been around long enough to know you just can't say that.
Welcome to footy anyway, Sando. I hope you're enjoying it.
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Nobody said that. I'm asking the question whether never having had a coach with previous AFL premiership experience has put more pressure on all of our coaches over the course of history. It's a valid question and is actually designed to take a bit of the heat off Sando and give him some advice from people who know how this city, its media and its fans operate.
Perhaps you need to redo Year 12 reading and comprehension or just get a clue about the Adelaide football and media environment.
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I know Craig had to go, and I'm generally supportive of Sando's approach, but after the game Hannebery said "when you deny the opposition time and space you put them under pressure to cough up the ball".
Hmm "time and space"...exactly the words Craig used to use.
And this newly found "slingshot" model..how does that work?? Outnumber the opposition, handball out the back, two more handballs to clear the area, switch kick to someone in place then run through the middle. Also known as the plan the Freo beat us with last week. Also known as Craig's discredited clearance plan.
And now we have people on here saying we've bulked up too much and lost speed. Despite the fact that we were beaten in the stoppages by cleverly bigger bodies. So, what then...out with the wrestling ring, in with the bikes again??
Great post James.
Because it might wake people up to the fact that beating teams like Brisbane and the Bulldogs doesn't actually make us a good team that should go in unchanged.
Because it might wake people up to the fact that beating teams like Brisbane and the Bulldogs doesn't actually make us a good team that should go in unchanged.
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