Have if you could only keep one (eg due to salary cap)??????
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Who'd you rather?
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Both.
Would never, we should keep both forever, but Bock's versitility and ability to not only beat some of the best fowards in the comp but also rack up 25-30+ possies is special. Rutten is a rock in defence, but is limited in his versitility and is often hard to find a direct match up for, which is why IMO, we should see him up forward more often, but Craig doesn't think so and usually when I doubt Craig, he proves me wrong.
Except I must say for having Bock on Franklin, can't be bothered finding any proof, but I've been calling for Bock to take Franklin since before the EF last year, but then I won't rub it in any more.
Really, I think we should be eternally thankful that we have 2 superstar KPDs in Rutten and Bock, teams would more than just kill for a combo like that.
Except I must say for having Bock on Franklin, can't be bothered finding any proof, but I've been calling for Bock to take Franklin since before the EF last year, but then I won't rub it in any more.
Really, I think we should be eternally thankful that we have 2 superstar KPDs in Rutten and Bock, teams would more than just kill for a combo like that.
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Didn't have to think that hard about that one..
Bock a much more versatile player, we can through him down forward if needed and he has a good mix of body & speed. 10-20 years ago when all the FF were fat lards Rutten would be the most valuable, just the way the game has changed really!
Bock a much more versatile player, we can through him down forward if needed and he has a good mix of body & speed. 10-20 years ago when all the FF were fat lards Rutten would be the most valuable, just the way the game has changed really!
I agree! Surely it was the most obvious match up...Bock is faster than Rutten so can handle Franklin's speed and he also has the agility to stay with him. Also last night he did an awesome job of running off Franklin and creating play up the ground. Surely one of his best games for the Club
Its not going to happen so I dont think i need to answer. We have both, so I dont need to prefer.
Both are superstars.
Both are superstars.
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tough question,
probably have to go on Bock, he's just in amaazing form at the moment.
probably have to go on Bock, he's just in amaazing form at the moment.
Let me just say firstly I am in no way suggesting Rutten needs to be dropped now or in the near future, however do we have anyone else in the squad that can play full back??
I ask this because i would love to see Rutten played at FF/CHF for an extended period of time and he can't do that if theres noone to cover him.
I ask this because i would love to see Rutten played at FF/CHF for an extended period of time and he can't do that if theres noone to cover him.
Refuse to answer.... Its like asking which of your children you prefer or which nut youd like to keep
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TBH not only is it Rutten, but for me it's not even close.
sure, it's only hypothetical and I'm glad we have the versatility to go either option depending on the matchups, but if we have to choose...
sure, it's only hypothetical and I'm glad we have the versatility to go either option depending on the matchups, but if we have to choose...
Southerntakeover
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We've succeeded with a variety of options at CHB... McGregor, Bock and Stevens have all shown great glipses back there over the last 5 years.
I dont think people actually remember how bad it was before we had Truck at FB. Maybe they should have a look at the results of the month we didnt have him last season. I seem to remember something like... Gherig 5 goals, Lloyd- 6 goals, Pav 6 goals....
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Right nut would be the first to go.
This was my point in posting.
I don't think people have forgotten at all.
Rutten is a VERY good defender. I'd rate him the 3rd best in the league this year - behind only Scarlett and Bock. However, he does have his limitations.
He is outstanding against the slower, bigger bodied forwards - Brown, Hall, Gehrig, Lloyd etc. These are the guys who used to rip us to shreds every time when we had nobody but Hart & Bassett to keep them quiet.
However, he does tend to struggle against the more agile and speedy forwards. Welsh kicked 3 on him in the opening game this year, Franklin ripped him a new one in the Launceston game.
Bock has come ahead in leaps and bounds this year, to the point where he is arguably the best tall defender in the league this year. Unlike Rutten, he DOES have the agility to play on the more mobile forwards. However, he is also sufficiently tall and strong that he is equally adept against the "gorilla" type forwards.
What we have at present is the best defensive combination in the league - only Geelong with Scarlett and Egan can even be considered to be close. These two defenders complement each other and give the coach tremendous flexibility with the way he deploys his troops to counter the opposition.
In the past, I would have rated Rutten as our most important player. This year though, I think Bock has surpassed him as our premier defender.
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well said
. i agree with all of that.imo rutten is slightly down on previous years also. bock and scarlett are the 2 standout defensive talls in the league - its just they dont quite get the kudos of the browns/franklins/fevolas etc
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
You seem to be saying everything Truck can do, Bock can do but more. Im not sure i agree.
Rutten is definetely suspect against the really fast forwards (not suprisingly), but hes awesome against the strength based forwards.
Im yet to see Bock actually play on the strength forwards, so i dont think its a foregone conclusion that he could beat them. If i remember, during that stretch without Truck last year, he wasnt exactly all that impressive on one or two of them (Pavlich for one).
Bock is in awesome form, and i love him as a player, i just feel Truck is the rock of gibraltar for our defense. The biggest cog the rest is built around. The fact we've had a great defense for years, with or without Bock, but have never had a great defense without Truck... it says something to me.
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Bock's value is more easily supplanted by a replacement player, as evidence by recent seasons.
whereas we've succeeded with a multitude of CHB's, we've had 1 FB and we've not been able to replace him. whether before his emergence of those times without him.
whereas we've succeeded with a multitude of CHB's, we've had 1 FB and we've not been able to replace him. whether before his emergence of those times without him.
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erm, i think there may be MORE THAN ONE variable impacting on success.
Didnt the crows have similar results in the early 00's BEFORE Rutten started playing FB?
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erm, i think there may be MORE THAN ONE variable impacting on success.
Didnt the crows have similar results in the early 00's BEFORE Rutten started playing FB?
erm, thanks for your valued and informed input
Southerntakeover
Too Sweet
Defensively?
Not at all.
I still have nightmares of Alistar Lynch throwing our entire backline around in finals at the Gabba.
On face value you would say:
In the last couple of years Rutten by a mile, and this year Bock who is fast becoming one of the best KP defenders in the game.
However the reason they are so good is because they compliment each other so well. Rutten handles the big bodies forwards superbly. Bock is faster and more agile and competes well with the Franklins and Riewoldts of the world.
Bock is so good because of his attacking run from the backline. He sets up so many thrusts forward with his ability to run and take his opponent on. The reason he can do this is because he has the "rock" Rutten back there to sure up the defence. Hell Rutten is one of the reasons we've been able to create so much run out of defence in the last few years when Bock was forward/injured.
So I guess the answer is Bock is the better player while Rutten is more important to our team structure but ultimately they are never going to leave so let us all just bask in the glory of having one of if not the best FB /CHB combos in the league who are both proud South Aussies (ie no risk of being lured home factor) and more importantly proud Crows!
In the last couple of years Rutten by a mile, and this year Bock who is fast becoming one of the best KP defenders in the game.
However the reason they are so good is because they compliment each other so well. Rutten handles the big bodies forwards superbly. Bock is faster and more agile and competes well with the Franklins and Riewoldts of the world.
Bock is so good because of his attacking run from the backline. He sets up so many thrusts forward with his ability to run and take his opponent on. The reason he can do this is because he has the "rock" Rutten back there to sure up the defence. Hell Rutten is one of the reasons we've been able to create so much run out of defence in the last few years when Bock was forward/injured.
So I guess the answer is Bock is the better player while Rutten is more important to our team structure but ultimately they are never going to leave so let us all just bask in the glory of having one of if not the best FB /CHB combos in the league who are both proud South Aussies (ie no risk of being lured home factor) and more importantly proud Crows!
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