Why All The Negativity ?

[DermiesLuvChild]

I am one to support constructive criticism if the objective is to improve results, however the criticism must also not be damaging or upset the status quo of the CFC & the overall aim of going back to back in 2011.
Recently there has been a number of posts covering:
- replace Maxwell as captain
- offload Didak
- trade Heath Shaw
- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
- drop Krak
- Jolly not performing
- Sidebottom cannot kick
- delist Wood
- delist Thomas & Sinclair
- delist Dick

The above is compounded by the distractions of Malthouse/Buckley 2012 & the betting scandal.
If I just dropped in from Mars & read all the posts, I would assume that Collingwood is in turmoil & must be in the bottom half of the ladder.
However we are 14 & 1 & shooting for another flag.
I know we all have a right to post (& every poster does want future CFC success), however I think we should focus more on the positives & save the analysis (list changing stuff etc) until mid October this year.
I just hope that players (especially the younger ones don't read all that is posted). Lets all pull together for the run home.
SIDE BY SIDE

 

[vjknight]

cmon DLC - we are realists afterall, and as recently as 2008 seen an invincible team falter at the last hurdle.

likewise going back to march this year and you couldnt see a more positive outlook - or after the eagles game when we used the press, or the last qtr vs adelaide, or the hawks game.

if it was all one way traffic discussion, it would get boring. alternate thinking it what keep it interesting.

and remember, postys asking for someone to be dropped only then lead to positive discussions on who should come in - the future.

 

[Pie eyed]

I am one to support constructive criticism if the objective is to improve results, however the criticism must also not be damaging or upset the status quo of the CFC & the overall aim of going back to back in 2011.
Recently there has been a number of posts covering:
- replace Maxwell as captain
- offload Didak
- trade Heath Shaw
- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
- drop Krak
- Jolly not performing
- Sidebottom cannot kick
- delist Wood
- delist Thomas & Sinclair
- delist Dick

The above is compounded by the distractions of Malthouse/Buckley 2012 & the betting scandal.
If I just dropped in from Mars & read all the posts, I would assume that Collingwood is in turmoil & must be in the bottom half of the ladder.
However we are 14 & 1 & shooting for another flag.
I know we all have a right to post (& every poster does want future CFC success), however I think we should focus more on the positives & save the analysis (list changing stuff etc) until mid October this year.
I just hope that players (especially the younger ones don't read all that is posted). Lets all pull together for the run home.
SIDE BY SIDE

Honestly?
I think we, as a supporter group, are not used to being in the position we are right now, at this time of year, seemingly with all the right answers on-field.
It's unexplored territory.

I think we'll all survive though.

We're all after the same thing in the end.

 

[Swooop]

cmon DLC - we are realists afterall, and as recently as 2008 seen an invincible team falter at the last hurdle.

likewise going back to march this year and you couldnt see a more positive outlook - or after the eagles game when we used the press, or the last qtr vs adelaide, or the hawks game.

if it was all one way traffic discussion, it would get boring. alternate thinking it what keep it interesting.

and remember, postys asking for someone to be dropped only then lead to positive discussions on who should come in - the future.

Agree with VJK here entirely.

Dave borrow your caps lock mate?

 

[Scodog10]

- replace Maxwell as captain
- offload Didak
- trade Heath Shaw
- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
- drop Krak
- Jolly not performing
- Sidebottom cannot kick
- delist Wood
- delist Thomas & Sinclair
- delist Dick

In fairness all the points you raised in bold have mostly come up in threads discussing the club's future. We all see the future of the club differently so IMO it's hard to label someone as being negative just because they feel we could go in a different direction to the current norm.

They also could just be trying to bring different elements to a discussion. For instance I raised the potential of trading Didak in the list management thread, not because I want him traded, but because I thought it was a worthy topic of discussion.

Also on Heath Shaw. I think there was a lot of "heat of the moment" negativity flying around, which many felt the right to express. However I'd say that view is now the minority with the dust having settled, to a degree, on the whole fiasco.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Focusing on the positives all the time is boring. There do not seem to be as many posters as last year and there will be even less if we only discuss the pure and true aspects of our club.

 

[Yidaki]

Even if it seems negative, I don't see it doing any harm. Like an earlier post, we haven't been in this position for a while, so this kind of talk is only natural for mine. I personally don't find it negative, but more positive.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

- replace Maxwell as captain

may or may not be in the best 22 in the coming years. that is the concern. i don't see it though.

- offload Didak

dunno who said that. whoever did needs their head examined.

- trade Heath Shaw

how many chances?

- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer

wouldn't surprise me if sack and caff left for opp. i don't think they'll be offered to anyone.

- drop Krak

yes. when a player underperforms and there are good players waiting to come back in ... this can happen.

- Jolly not performing

he has high expectations.

- Sidebottom cannot kick

ha!

- delist Wood

he's shit.

- delist Thomas & Sinclair

who said this?

- delist Dick

rusling curse.

 

[Mars II]

DLC the negativity is nothing compared to the negativity that i have witnessed on this board since i first started posting here b4 the when pies would lose to the lesser teams.

 

[Ant85]

Honestly?
I think we, as a supporter group, are not used to being in the position we are right now, at this time of year, seemingly with all the right answers on-field.
It's unexplored territory.

I think we'll all survive though.

We're all after the same thing in the end.

This.

We're not used to being the AFL's super team. Everyone thought we'd be the most arrogant, but as your thread points out, we're all a bit unsure about how to deal with our newfound status.

Suddenly we have little to complain about!

 

[buzzbuzz]

Actually I've noticed a whole lot of posters popping up (especially on the main board) who are painfully arrogant Pies supporters. It's almost making me want to stop coming to BigFooty, so poorly are we being represented by our fellow Collingwood fans.

Just the rudeness and unwillingness to even talk to an opposition supporter is shocking.

As for negativity on this board - I haven't noticed much, really. If someone disagrees with you, you tend to label them as 'negative'. Maybe we just have a lot of situations bubbling away where people are disagreeing?

 

[Greening Magic]

- replace Maxwell as captain
- offload Didak
- trade Heath Shaw
- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
- drop Krak
- Jolly not performing
- Sidebottom cannot kick
- delist Wood
- delist Thomas & Sinclair
- delist Dick

A lot of the talk mentioned above is about changes to our list going forward.
The club would be doing the same thing periodically this year so I think it's only natural that the fans do likewise.

 

[mocamagic]

I haven't started a thread before, not sure if im permitted to, but if someone wants a positive thread how about the following

Toast. "Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas. Have we ever had a better midfield trio?"

 

[jonbe54]

I haven't started a thread before, not sure if im permitted to, but if someone wants a positive thread how about the following

Toast. "Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas. Have we ever had a better midfield trio?"

Better no, comparable yes

 

[vjknight]

DLC the negativity is nothing compared to the negativity that i have witnessed on this board since i first started posting here b4 the when pies would lose to the lesser teams.

the mid year break not working out hey mars ?

hope ya not studying literature. lol

taking the piss mate.

 

[vjknight]

I haven't started a thread before, not sure if im permitted to, but if someone wants a positive thread how about the following

Toast. "Swan, Pendlebury, Thomas. Have we ever had a better midfield trio?"

i dare ya to start it on the main board and start a shitfight.

 

[Good_Old]

People aren't allowed to have an opposing view?
What some people see as negative, others may see it as the best interests of the club.
If it was a continuous circle jerk on here, I think I'd spend all my time on BF, in the bay.

 

[THATSGOLD]

Considering 3 MUST be delisted at the end of the year.. mentioning Sinclair and Thomas and Wood is fair game!! No problems with that.

 

[shawthing09]

In all honesty it maybe that you were surprised by the negativity and hence paid more attention to it, or took it out of context. I don't think the board has been negative at all of late.

As for you examples.

- replace Maxwell as captain
I think that's largely because some people still want the captain to be the best player at the club. Also with the speculation about Pendles and the GWS some people are trying to use the captaincy as the "keep a brother baby"

- offload Didak
One opinion that was over-whelmingly shut down.

- trade Heath Shaw
Just hurt people feeling betrayed.
- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
I think that has more to do with them anticipating that the above players may look for more senior game time elsewhere which is fair enough
- drop Krak
Has been down in recent weeks, it's not panic stations but it's certainly not a silly thing to suggest.
- Jolly not performing
He hasn't there are reasons he hasn't (injury) and I have faith he will come good but he certainly hasn't been at his best.
- Sidebottom cannot kick
Again thread based in some kind of truth. It wasn't he can't kick, it was that he has kicked poorly the last couple weeks, which he has. Most people said his kicking was over-rated pre-draft which I agree with. Not many people (if any) flat out said he was a bad kick. There was more support than knocking of Steele in that thread.
- delist Wood
We can't afford to but he has been rubbish.
- delist Thomas & Sinclair
- delist Dick
Fact is we have to make three delistings at the end of the season. Thomas I haven't seen mentioned as a possible delisting, that would be unfair. Dick on the Rusling rule would be a name who could be cut and Sinclair is no better than Barham who we delisted.

The delisting talk was in a thread about the future of our list which would mean people are discussing the compulsory delistings we have to make.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Ironically OP, basically none of the negativity has come from me.

Go figure.

 

[The Get Up Kid]

I agree, too much negativity. We're under $2 for the flag for the first time this year and as the season is going on the gap is widening between Collingwood and the rest (including & especially the other 3 in the top 4).

No point being too negative while things are going well. The whole thing about negative is wanting absolute perfection which isn't possible.

I love how (and I do it too) people want this person traded and that person dropped etc etc and in the end nothing really changes because keeping the same team together for as long as possible works wonders. They know what they're doing. We had a big clean out last year, I really doubt that will happen again this year. Maybe 5 or 6 player turnover.

 

[Markfs]

The negativity might be balanced out a little bit if people acknowledged their own mistakes a little more.

There seems to be a lot of people who will sink the boot into players when they're down but forget to praise these players when they start performing.

Another problem is that some of the criticism is, excuse the pun, too black and white. Either the player is a god or he's hopeless. And if he's hopeless, he needs to be delisted.

And the last problem is that some people seem to treat players like pieces of meat - drop em, promote em, delist em and its all done at the drop of a hat. People seem to forget the effects these things have on the rest of the playing group.

And I'm not saying that I dont do it from time to time. I have to admit that last year I couldnt see Blair making it as a player because he was too small....I told a lot of people that...but I've been seriously wrong. He does great CTV shows too..

 

[shawthing09]

The negativity might be balanced out a little bit if people acknowledged their own mistakes a little more.

There seems to be a lot of people who will sink the boot into players when they're down but forget to praise these players when they start performing.

Another problem is that some of the criticism is, excuse the pun, too black and white. Either the player is a god or he's hopeless. And if he's hopeless, he needs to be delisted.

And the last problem is that some people seem to treat players like pieces of meat - drop em, promote em, delist em and its all done at the drop of a hat. People seem to forget the effects these things have on the rest of the playing group.

And I'm not saying that I dont do it from time to time. I have to admit that last year I couldnt see Blair making it as a player because he was too small....I told a lot of people that...but I've been seriously wrong. He does great CTV shows too..

Again I think it's all balanced.

There are equally (and possibly more) people who will defend almost every player regardless of form.

I agree that there is a tendency for people to be to black and white with criticism and praise but this is something that happens in life in general not just on this board.

The way people treat players (drop, trade etc at the drop of that) probably comes from an idealistic video game type view. It would be a football public wide issue, not just a bigfooty issue and certainly not a Collingwood only issue.

 

[Da Main Man]

- replace Maxwell as captain
can see this happening in a few years, bargaining for pendles in 2013 possibly.

- offload Didak
why? whether he is form or not, he draws a player and can light it up. needs to be TOLD he has to improve, has he been?

- trade Heath Shaw
i'd be ***** FILTHY is this happened!!!!

- trade Goldsack, McCarthy, McCaffer
goldy - good trade bait - preferred he hung around and got his fitness up to scratch.

McCarthy - improving, but not enough - doesnt have much in the way of trade value - maybe for a lade 1st rounder if GWS are desperate.

McCaffer - coming back this week, let him show what he has, people forget his finals effort last year. went 110%.

- drop Krak
i'll use Ball as an example of the collingwood system

start of 2010
came in couldnt kick more than 40, constant groin injury, hardly running out games, lacked pace.

mid 2011
has been consistently kicking 50 metres
running a good few yards faster than ever
hasnt shown an real sign of injury or even niggle
running out games like a champ, collingwood top 5 player.

give krak the same opportunity.

- Jolly not performing

played like 7 games, he was our saviour last year, is the goods without question.

- Sidebottom cannot kick
meh, like wellingham, seems to switch into high gear when required. if swan and pendles were left out he'd run amok, thrives whe required, can kick as good as any other midrange player. not everyone can be an 'elite kick' ......elite has lost all meaning in the last few years.

- delist Wood
he doin aight, we dont have much in the way of backup. another who needs a kick in the ass.


- delist Thomas & Sinclair
you gotta do what you gotta do....

- delist Dick
someone will pick him up, sad to see if happen, but cant string any games together.

 

[Dundalis]

Criticising players is not negativity, it's positivity as a supporter of the club.

Nobody supports players, they support the team. Sure we have players we like, but only while they are helping the club to be as successful as it can possibly be. If they can't do that, then their support will inevitably disappear.

Players are basically tools used by the club to bring as much onfield success as possible. If they perhaps aren't doing that as well as they could, or there is someone with the potential to do it better, then we should be looking at that situation, because ultimately it's to make the team better. It sounds to me like the OP is construing the welfare of an individual player as being the same as the welfare of the club, when that isn't the case.