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Swooop said:
Agree PE.



Still think though, if we play near our best, we might be too slick for them.

I do think we had a much better PF leading in to a GF than they had, in terms of getting pressure cooker training.
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I couldn't agree with that one ,Swoop. To me it was a diaster. Losing Jolly and Reid to injuries was a disaster that could have only been trumped by losing Pendlebury and Cloke. Fitness and form is a big decider in Grand Finals and Geelong have both in their favour.

It will be the greatest win in Collingwood's history if we win this week, bar none. Our best chance is to make it a tight game like 2002 and hope to get over the line. Otherwise the most lilely result is a blow out to Geelong.

Come 2.30 Saturday I will be ruled by my heart and thinking we will be a big chance, but today, my head tells me it will be Geelong by a fair margin, particularly if we try to take injured players into the game.
 
Agree kevind, the injuries are a problem and will likely hurt us whether they miss out, or play slightly injured.

Though SJ's situation slightly offsets our own injury situation - but only slightly as our's are more structurally important.

But separate to that, which is the point I was trying to make, IMO the pressure training will stand us in better stead than having a training run, which they had ( in comparision to us)
 
Magpie said:
Not that that's a bad thing

But everywhere I'm hearing Geelong easily.

Surely prior to round 21 we were the best?

As long as we play man on man I think we will have the legs to out run them.

If we loose next week if leaving Vic for a month. No joke
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Well they beat us twice this year, have shown recent better form, look to be a bit stronger than us too, so its no suprise they are hot favourites.

Weighing up what ive seen lately i think we might get bent over on saturday.
 

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Since the cats won their first 13 games, let's have a bit of a look at their formline:
Rd 15: Lost to Essendon, margin flattering.
Rd 16: Lost to the Weagles, margin flattering.
Rd 17: Played ordinary against a struggling Brisbane.
Rd 18: Beat Richmond in one of the most boring second halves of the century.
Rd 19: Gave the Melbourne witches' hats a flogging under no pressure whatsoever.
Rd 20: Ditto rd 19, against wooden-spooners Gold Coast.
Rd 21: Struggled big-time against Adelaide.
Rd 22: Bye.
Rd 23: Lost the unlosbable game against Sydney.
Rd 24: Biggest dead rubber of all time.
QF: Beat Hawthorn whose rested-up players were underdone (however I will give them a bit of credit for this game).
PF: West Coast were absolutely shot, lost Stevie J???

It's not actually that good, is it? Or am I simply biased? But the media was writing off the Cats after the loss to sydney, really all they've done since is won the dead rubber of the century and accounted for the underdone hawks and bashed-up Eagles.

Mark my words: We will win this premiership, by 8 points I reckon.
 
MM has worked very hard to convince everyone (players included) that we are under the pump and pushing s**t uphill to win, instead of allowing us to be overconfident and cocky. We will cream Geelong if the boys take the attitude that they have to give their all on Saturday.
Don't ever under-estimate the genius that is MM.
 
Drizt said:
I like your optimism :)
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People are getting too caught up with what the media has to say, Drizt. Even betting agencies have us as favourites. So what if the media has us as underdogs? When did the media's opinion become relevant?

I'm rightly optimistic because I know that we're a better side than Geelong, and if 5-6 players that didn't perform on Friday stand up to assist Swan, Pendlebury and Cloke on Saturday, theres no way anyone side in the AFL can stop us, simple.
 
100volt1 said:
Quote: "The only way we're gonna lose a game, is if we lose it ourselves" -Darren Jolly
Simple as that
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When was that Said?
 
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the first time we played Geelong this year they had all these early scoring shots. They jumped us early. We however gained control of the game. I know we lost but even when they went in front late we rallied. Did we press the life out of them, nup. Meaning our A game wasn't beaten.

The last game of the year was brilliant. We gave em nothing. They have got no idea what is coming to them. I'm laughing it's that hilarious.

Ha ha ha baaaaaa.
 
SuperSub17 said:
Since the cats won their first 13 games, let's have a bit of a look at their formline:
Rd 15: Lost to Essendon, margin flattering.
Rd 16: Lost to the Weagles, margin flattering.
Rd 17: Played ordinary against a struggling Brisbane.
Rd 18: Beat Richmond in one of the most boring second halves of the century.
Rd 19: Gave the Melbourne witches' hats a flogging under no pressure whatsoever.
Rd 20: Ditto rd 19, against wooden-spooners Gold Coast.
Rd 21: Struggled big-time against Adelaide.
Rd 22: Bye.
Rd 23: Lost the unlosbable game against Sydney.
Rd 24: Biggest dead rubber of all time.
QF: Beat Hawthorn whose rested-up players were underdone (however I will give them a bit of credit for this game).
PF: West Coast were absolutely shot, lost Stevie J???

It's not actually that good, is it? Or am I simply biased? But the media was writing off the Cats after the loss to sydney, really all they've done since is won the dead rubber of the century and accounted for the underdone hawks and bashed-up Eagles.

Mark my words: We will win this premiership, by 8 points I reckon.
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Well, you can look at it from different angles, but I do agree, the form line of both teams in the media seem to be biassed towards the Cats. Not that there's a problem with this, it's how both team internally prepare themselves and come out playing. Both teams seem to perform better when they're underdogs so I think both teams will be pushing for it.
 

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Clearly the OP hasn't been watching many Collingwood and Geelong game sin the last month or so.

If you look at current form alone and forget everything else. Geelong should be $1.20 and Collingwood at around $3.50. We are just scraping by at this stage.

I still haven't worked out 100% how we won that game on Friday.
 
Magpie said:
Not that that's a bad thing

But everywhere I'm hearing Geelong easily.

Surely prior to round 21 we were the best?

As long as we play man on man I think we will have the legs to out run them.

If we loose next week if leaving Vic for a month. No joke
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Geelong should be favs with the bookies and I casn completely understand why many fans think they will win.

when I was at the round 24 game at 3 quarter time the great gavin brown had a chat to one of the blokes I was at the footy with and he was asked what impact he thought it would have and he simply said it may hurt their confidence. He was spot on. The players have been playing within themselves and have played very conservative footy. I reckon they may have re-discovered that confidence, atleast I am hopeful.
 
In footy as with most sport, form is a big indicator and on form you would be foolish not to have Geelong as favourites. It's irrelevant what happened 8 or 10 weeks ago, in footy your only ever as good as your latest performance and ours hasn't been overly impressive while Geelong's has. That said I don't believe for one minute that means we can't win but let's be fair, which team currently looks more like the goods? If you said Collingwood you haven't been watching.
 
Can't see why people are affronted that we are going in a underdogs. Clearly been struggling the last few weeks whilst Geelong have been playing top footy. I'm no where near as confident as I was last year.

PieLebo87 said:
Who said we're going in as underdogs? We're going in as $1.80 favourites. Geelong is $2. Rightly so too, we're the better team.
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Think you need to learn about booking having to balance the book. It's addressed here.
 
Based on recent form we are underdogs. I think we need to ignore the home & away form, particulalry the last 3-4 rounds.

The finals games are what matters. Both sides have played the same sides - WC & Hawks. The Cats comfortably dispatched of both these opponents, they looked sharp, skilled & clinical. We on the other hand have had to fight it out and scrap to the end just to fall over the line against both. The form lines are clear.

Being the underdog doesn't mean we can't win. We can turn our form around, if we don't we will lose. I am more than comfortable with being the underdog, I know our best is good enough, its just a matter of whether we can bring our best.
 

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Re the hawthorn - geelong game:

Dont forget that hawthorn dominated that first quarter and should have been 4 goals up instead of 11 points at qtr time. They also controlled the beginning of the third, but once again wasted opportunities.

Message? Take our opportunities - cos there will be some at some stage - and we win. Simple as that.
 
Geelong should be favourites. Their form is better, they beat us twice and we have injuries to 2 of our 3 most important players. Geelong firm favourites for me.
 
SuperSub17 said:
Re the hawthorn - geelong game:

Dont forget that hawthorn dominated that first quarter and should have been 4 goals up instead of 11 points at qtr time. They also controlled the beginning of the third, but once again wasted opportunities.

Message? Take our opportunities - cos there will be some at some stage - and we win. Simple as that.
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Geelong Dominated that first quarter, but wasted opportunities, should of been up at quarter time
 
You guys are still the favourites to win. I have noticed a lot of people on BigFooty tipping Geelong though, including many Collingwood supporters. Have you guys genuinely lost confidence? Or do you just want the underdog label?
 

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