Why is abortion a live issue in Australian politics again?

[samFFC]

Your disinterest in the situation aside, the existing laws have been erased and you’re there with a pen. What do you do?

Again I’m not asking you whether you’re interested. I’m asking what you think the rules should be.

Or is this just your roundabout way of saying you support abortions up to birth with zero restrictions?

How about answer other people’s questions rather than just asking more of your own.

You’ve not provided evidence of your assertion.
You’re just parroting anti-abortion, pro-forced birth lines, and don’t give a flying **** about women, families, children.

If you restrict abortion, it does NOT reduce abortion.
It means women die.
It means doctors gets prosecuted.
It means families get torn apart by grief.
It means women who may want future children have pregnancy complications , lose their pregnancy or newborn, and then have fertility issues down the line.

The onus is on you to provide reasons to restrict health care and human rights, not the other way round.

I’ll bet you disagree with lots of choices others make, but I’ll bet you pretend to cheer for people to be free to make those decisions / practice free speech.

 

[samFFC]

For anyone interested in being a debate lord, here is a philosophical breakdown of the arguments and dismantling of the BS.

 

[samFFC]

This is why I don't entertain where do you draw the line questions

Yup, tapping the sign:

Yup
It’s a non starter here, if it is just stamped out. Don’t entertain horseshit arguments.
Ask them what they think, scratch a little, and you end up with the usual “life at conception” point and then the “we want to control women”.

 

[samFFC]

I've discussed scenarios why I think it is wrong in particular circumstances that make bodily autonomy a lesser consideration in those circumstaces.

Here we go!

Arguing that an unborn foetus should have citizenship and rights. And thus should be able to control another person (who is an actual person with actual rights)’s body.

Ergo, life at conception. Etc etc

 

[ElectricG]

How about answer other people’s questions rather than just asking more of your own.

You’ve not provided evidence of your assertion.
You’re just parroting anti-abortion, pro-forced birth lines, and don’t give a flying **** about women, families, children.

If you restrict abortion, it does NOT reduce abortion.
It means women die.
It means doctors gets prosecuted.
It means families get torn apart by grief.
It means women who may want future children have pregnancy complications , lose their pregnancy or newborn, and then have fertility issues down the line.

The onus is on you to provide reasons to restrict health care and human rights, not the other way round.

I’ll bet you disagree with lots of choices others make, but I’ll bet you pretend to cheer for people to be free to make those decisions / practice free speech.

What questions am I not answering?

This seems like a strong reaction to “late term abortions should be for a medical reason”.

 

[carltonchelsea]

No need to explain to you my specific work status. Irrelevant to the conversation. I' m just going to assume you are a no holds barred whatever the situation supporter of abortion. I think there are scenarios where termination is not necessary.

Why’d you mention it then?
FFS you are so hypocritical mate, it’s embarrassing.
You said you worked in the medical field as a way to assert your knowledge or superiority, then when asked to specify, “that’s irrelevant”.
Pathetic.
Who makes the decision on “not necessary”, a ****ing catholic priest, Pauline Hanson?
Whom exactly?

 

[Cmarsh]

Why’d you mention it then?
FFS you are so hypocritical mate, it’s embarrassing.
You said you worked in the medical field as a way to assert your knowledge or superiority, then when asked to specify, “that’s irrelevant”.
Pathetic.
Who makes the decision on “not necessary”, a ****ing catholic priest, Pauline Hanson?
Whom exactly?

What is your intense motivation to get huge details about my work? Now who is the one who is getting creepy?

 

[carltonchelsea]

What is your intense motivation to get huge details about my work? Now who is the one who is getting creepy?

Oh deary me, projection, that’s where you stand?
You said you worked in the medical arena in some capacity, as a clear indicator that you had some ethical or professional responsibility or a superior view than those choosing to oppose your position.
Nothing creepy about asking someone about their employment field when they’ve chosen to impose it as a signifier of importance!
FMD you’re embarrassing mate!

 

[Cmarsh]

Oh deary me, projection, that’s where you stand?
You said you worked in the medical arena in some capacity, as a clear indicator that you had some ethical or professional responsibility or a superior view than those choosing to oppose your position.
Nothing creepy about asking someone about their employment field when they’ve chosen to impose it as a signifier of importance!
FMD you’re embarrassing mate!

Nah. Dont need to divulge that. Wouldn't make an iota of difference to you anyway. Pretty clear you have a play the man posting style. You havent engaged in meaningful discussion around the topic at all.

 

[samFFC]

What questions am I not answering?

This seems like a strong reaction to “late term abortions should be for a medical reason”.

Which they already are. As has been repeatedly said, over and over again.

You haven’t provided any evidence to the contrary.

 

[samFFC]

Nah. Dont need to divulge that. Wouldn't make an iota of difference to you anyway. Pretty clear you have a play the man posting style. You havent engaged in meaningful discussion around the topic at all.

Why mention your profession though?
If not relevant, don’t mention it.
If relevant, then it’s not ad hominem to ask about it.

 

[Cmarsh]

Why mention your profession though?
If not relevant, don’t mention it.
If relevant, then it’s not ad hominem to ask about it.

Oh ok not allowed to speak about personal experience on this forum to elicidate a point. The other poster was asking for specific details. Completely unnecessarily.

 

[ElectricG]

Which they already are. As has been repeatedly said, over and over again.

You haven’t provided any evidence to the contrary.

I’m not saying they’re not. This thread is just me saying that it’s a good thing that that happens and a few people having a conniption over it.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Nah. Dont need to divulge that. Wouldn't make an iota of difference to you anyway. Pretty clear you have a play the man posting style. You havent engaged in meaningful discussion around the topic at all.

Bollocks, I’ve stated my only position in every damned post, you’re tiring yourself out now, with this constant fallacious nonsense.
Here, I’ll do it again ffs, for the deaf folks up in the cheap seats, “I carltonchelsea, strongly suggest that it is no one’s business, except the woman and her bodily autonomy, that can never be impinged upon ever, regardless of political, religious nor societal reasons, to persuade her from getting an abortion in under any circumstances, under the guidance of her chosen health care providers”.
My position has not changed or been altered in this thread nor others like it and as a matter of fact, for the entirety of my reasoned life.
And again, I’m not the one claiming to have a medical background, unlike you, for the reasons you’ve still yet to proclaim, give you a greater understanding or sense of skin in the game because of it.
Your circular reasoning is tiresome and malignant masquerading as benign benevolence.
That part in particular, I find disturbing and disgusting.
Now let me enjoy this rather large beer in peace.

 

[Cmarsh]

Bollocks, I’ve stated my only position in every damned post, you’re tiring yourself out now, with this constant fallacious nonsense.
Here, I’ll do it again ffs, door the deaf folks up in the cheap seats, “I carltonchelsea, strongly suggest that it is no one’s business, except the woman and her bodily autonomy, that can never be impinged upon ever, regardless of political, religious nor societal reasons, to persuade her of getting an abortion in under any circumstances, under the guidance of her chosen health care providers”.
My position has not changed or been altered in this thread nor others like it and as a matter of fact, for the entirety of my reasoned life.
And again, I’m not the one claiming to have a medical background, unlike you, for the reasons you’ve still yet to proclaim, give you a greater understanding or sense of skin in the game because of it.
Your circular reasoning is tiresome and malignant masquerading as benign benevolence.
That part in particular, I find disturbing and disgusting.
Now let me enjoy this rather large beer in peace.

Well that is a very simplistic position. Oh and never claimed to have a medical background and never claimed to have a greater understanding or sense of superiority.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Oh ok not allowed to speak about personal experience on this forum to elicidate a point. The other poster was asking for specific details. Completely unnecessarily.

So me being a builder and fabricator is just as important if not more so than your lowly medical background then!
Got it!

 

[Saint]

Look at all the navel-gazing going on in this thread......

I'll see myself out.

 

[Cmarsh]

So me being a builder and fabricator is just as important if not more so than your lowly medical background then!
Got it!

Doesn't stop you from having an opinion does it? Which is my whole point.

 

[carltonchelsea]

I work in an area where I see medical doctor's refer people in distressing social and mental health situations to other health professionals such as Social Workers whom have better skill for assessing their needs and are better connected and have better knowledge of support services that can alleviate the pressure's on people's lives.

Well that is a very simplistic position. Oh and never claimed to have a medical background and never claimed to have a greater understanding or sense of superiority.

What are you then?
How would you have access to this type of knowledge without being in some form of medical field?
Explain yourself and how private conversations between patient and medical professionals are available to you?
Do you work in social services?
How do you get to witness private conversations between patient and medical professionals being a social worker?
The floor is yours, you thought is was of great importance and value to share, so elucidate the forum!

 

[carltonchelsea]

Doesn't stop you from having an opinion does it? Which is my whole point.

Opinions and arseholes as they say, we’ve all got them, but few of us want to bear witness.
Now answer the above please post please?

 

[Cmarsh]

What are you then?
How would you have access to this type of knowledge without being in some form of medical field?
Explain yourself and how private conversations between patient and medical professionals are available to you?
Do you work in social services?
How do you get to witness private conversations between patient and medical professionals being a social worker?
The floor is yours, you thought is was of great importance and value to share, so elucidate the forum!

A medical background is one who has a medical degree which I do not have. Really unsure what your obsession is to be honest.

 

[carltonchelsea]

A medical background is one who has a medical degree which I do not have. Really unsure what your obsession is to be honest.

Dodging it, that wasn’t the question though was it Mr. non sequitur.
Again, you claimed you had access to personal and private communications between patient and doctor, and or social workers and were somehow distressed by these proceedings.
How did you gain access to these situations?
Answer this question to the claims you’ve made?

 

[Cmarsh]

Dodging it, that wasn’t the question though was it Mr. non sequitur.
Again, you claimed you had access to personal and private communications between patient and doctor, and or social workers and were somehow distressed by these proceedings.
How did you gain access to these situations?
Answer this question to the claims you’ve made?

Go finish your beer mate.

 

[carltonchelsea]

Go finish your beer mate.

Done that, onto Rosé now, before the dogs get a well earned trundle after the hot weather of the last few days.
So how about instead of your weak minded dodging and trump lite weaving, you answer the question posed to you?
How did you gain access to private conversations between patient and doctor?
The floor is yours….

 

[kalex6251]

Done that, onto Rosé now, before the dogs get a well earned trundle after the hot weather of the last few days.
So how about instead of your weak minded dodging and trump lite weaving, you answer the question posed to you?
How did you gain access to private conversations between patient and doctor?
The floor is yours….

medical admin??? in which case this poster is walking a very dangerous line that would result in professional dismissal if uncovered ..... possibly more if the patient(s) were to pursue it further

to even intimate knowledge of highly confidential patient information of this type is outrageous in the extreme - all to score some pathetic debating point on a sports website of all places .... unbelievable