Why is tripping by hand not reportable?

[The Spornstar]

I've never really understood this. I know it used to be reportable but that was changed - why?
Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot. Especially since players are often not expecting a hand trip as it comes from behind. IMO Fletcher should get a week for what he did last night, as Lokan should have against Carlton a few months back. Both were cynical and dangerous and should be punished. Lokan wasn't and I don't expect Fletcher to be either.

 

[Sports Capital]

Fletchers was an accident, he fell and his hand flew out. I think they got rid of it in 97 after Corey McKernan missed out on the brownlow cos he got a week for it.

 

[Chemical]

Fletcher should get more than a week. His record is appauling

 

[The Spornstar]

Originally posted by Sports Capital
Fletchers was an accident, he fell and his hand flew out. I think they got rid of it in 97 after Corey McKernan missed out on the brownlow cos he got a week for it.

Don't agree about Fletcher at all - isn't it weird how he's always involved in these 'accidents'?

And if that's the reason then it's a silly one.

 

[FuManchu]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
I've never really understood this. I know it used to be reportable but that was changed - why?
Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot. Especially since players are often not expecting a hand trip as it comes from behind. IMO Fletcher should get a week for what he did last night, as Lokan should have against Carlton a few months back. Both were cynical and dangerous and should be punished. Lokan wasn't and I don't expect Fletcher to be either.

Then why isn't pushing someone in the back reportable? It is hardly a huge assault on any player.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
And if that's the reason then it's a silly one.

Even more so as McKernan was rubbed out for dropping the knee in 1996, not tripping.

 

[Schneiderman]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
I've never really understood this. I know it used to be reportable but that was changed - why?
Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot. Especially since players are often not expecting a hand trip as it comes from behind.

I would have thought living in Sydney and watching TWO footbal codes where tripping by hand is completely acceptable, you'd realise its not a big deal. Kicking another player, on the other hand, is not acceptable even in soccer.

 

[Dunlop Volleys]

Posted this in the oter Fletcher thread, can't be bothered reposting so,

I was under the impression that delibrately tripping a player either by hand or by foot warranted a 50 metre penalty and was a reportable offence.

Derm and Co's attempts to brush off the incident where Fletcher tripped Stevens like it was nothing doesn't fool me and hopefully not the video reviewers. Replays showed he clearly dived, was staring at Stevens foot and made contact while eye contact was still directed toward Stevens foot, and it wasn't a lunge whereby his hand slipped either. Not a dirty incident, but a delibrate trip if I've ever seen one.

With his prior record a 2 game holiday wouldn't be out of place.

 

[Rob]

Originally posted by The Spornstar
I've never really understood this. I know it used to be reportable but that was changed - why?
Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot. Especially since players are often not expecting a hand trip as it comes from behind. IMO Fletcher should get a week for what he did last night, as Lokan should have against Carlton a few months back. Both were cynical and dangerous and should be punished. Lokan wasn't and I don't expect Fletcher to be either.

Same reason why a high tackle isn't reportable. Although tripping by hand should be an instand 50m penalty, especially delibate tripping like Fletcher last night.

 

[The Spornstar]

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Originally posted by Schneiderman
I would have thought living in Sydney and watching TWO footbal codes where tripping by hand is completely acceptable, you'd realise its not a big deal. Kicking another player, on the other hand, is not acceptable even in soccer.

I never said kicking was acceptable. And the day we say that something is acceptable because it happens in rugby is the day Aussie Rules is doomed. Besides, why is a high tackle in rugby often reportable but the same tackle is no problem in Aussie rules?

The thing I hate most about tripping is that it's cynical - it's like a professional foul in soccer that gets a player a yellow or possibly a red if they are the last defender. It's also dangerous.

 

[Schneiderman]

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Originally posted by The Spornstar
I never said kicking was acceptable. And the day we say that something is acceptable because it happens in rugby is the day Aussie Rules is doomed.

No but you did say: "Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot."

It cant and doesn't. The injury rarely comes from falling on your face, but more over from the clash of feet.

And it is considered a professional foul. Hence the free kick

 

[The Spornstar]

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Originally posted by Rob
Same reason why a high tackle isn't reportable. Although tripping by hand should be an instand 50m penalty, especially delibate tripping like Fletcher last night.

Well I wouldn't mind so much if it was a 50m penalty - i just believe it's a lot worse than a normal free kick. The problem is the intent of the player - a high tackle is just an error of judgement by the tackling player, as a push in the back can be too. Trips like Fletcher's and Lokan's are not and they should get 1 week for them. Then they wouldn't happen anymore.

 

[The Spornstar]

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Originally posted by Schneiderman
No but you did say: "Surely a deliberate trip by hand can cause injury just like a trip by foot."

It cant and doesn't. The injury rarely comes from falling on your face, but more over from the clash of feet.

And it is considered a professional foul. Hence the free kick

So you are saying that a hand trip cannot cause injury - what rubbish. It's like how shifting turf can and does cause injury. It's not the contact of the hand which causes it, it's the player's running action being impeded dramatically and suddenly.

In soccer they get a free kick too - BUT the player can be suspended for it as well because it is a cynical way of preventing attacking play - just like Fletcher's was.

 

[Schneiderman]

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Originally posted by The Spornstar
So you are saying that a hand trip cannot cause injury - what rubbish.

Name one player who has been injured when tripped by hand. I'll even let you use other football codes...

In soccer they get a free kick too - BUT the player can be suspended for it as well because it is a cynical way of preventing attacking play - just like Fletcher's was.

Again, name a player (other than a goal keeper, where the rules are special)...

You'd have to be a real bovine to get injured from tripping over from an ankle tap.

 

[The Spornstar]

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Originally posted by Schneiderman
Name one player who has been injured when tripped by hand. I'll even let you use other football codes...

Well I can't, luckily it doesn't happen very often. Still I can't name a player who got injured from tripping by foot either so your point is no big deal - all I'm saying is the potential is there. I don't watch either rugby code.

Originally posted by Schneiderman
Again, name a player (other than a goal keeper, where the rules are special)...

Name a player who what?

 

[Schneiderman]

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Originally posted by The Spornstar
Well I can't, luckily it doesn't happen very often. Still I can't name a player who got injured from tripping by foot either so your point is no big deal - all I'm saying is the potential is there. I don't watch either rugby code.

Example: "The bone in question resides in the left foot of the English soccer captain and British icon, David Beckham, or Becks.

The bone was broken in a rather reckless tackle in a game at Old Trafford between Becks’s Manchester United and the Spanish Club Deportivo La Coruna"

Hence the reason its reportable in any code.

Name a player who what?

Got suspended for tripping by hand in soccer... or dont you read your own opinion?

 

[monoccular]

I think it is still reportable if deemed deliberate.

What did change was the automatic 50m was dropped.

 

[The Spornstar]

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Originally posted by Schneiderman
Example: "The bone in question resides in the left foot of the English soccer captain and British icon, David Beckham, or Becks.

The bone was broken in a rather reckless tackle in a game at Old Trafford between Becks’s Manchester United and the Spanish Club Deportivo La Coruna"

Hence the reason its reportable in any code.




Got suspended for tripping by hand in soccer... or dont you read your own opinion?

No, I just couldn't believe you'd ask such a stupid question - soccer is completely different. You do all the tackling with your feet, not your hands. Believe me - if a player ever did trip a player by hand they would get a definite yellow and probably a red. However I would've watched about 400 soccer games and I've never seen it happen (apart from keepers and of course they are suspended).

As for your Beckham example - big deal. It just shows that contact with the feet happens all the time in soccer, and naturally enough there are injuries every now and then. In the AFL tripping by hand is quite rare, just as tripping by foot is - doesn't mean either can't cause injury. Now give me an example of tripping by foot causing injury in AFL - forget soccer examples, tackles happen all the time so it's an unfair comparison.

 

[la47]

It wasn't changed, trip by hand is reportable currently

 

[M29]

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Originally posted by The Spornstar
No, I just couldn't believe you'd ask such a stupid question - soccer is completely different. You do all the tackling with your feet, not your hands. Believe me - if a player ever did trip a player by hand they would get a definite yellow and probably a red. However I would've watched about 400 soccer games and I've never seen it happen (apart from keepers and of course they are suspended).

As for your Beckham example - big deal. It just shows that contact with the feet happens all the time in soccer, and naturally enough there are injuries every now and then. In the AFL tripping by hand is quite rare, just as tripping by foot is - doesn't mean either can't cause injury. Now give me an example of tripping by foot causing injury in AFL - forget soccer examples, tackles happen all the time so it's an unfair comparison.

Both dangerous. But tackles in soccer are 'tackles' with a fair bit of strength behind them, unlike most trips in our code which are just ankle taps.

 

[The Spornstar]

Good to see that it is reportable. BUT why does Fletcher get cited yet Lokan wasn't?

 

[pazza]

Nothing in Fletcher's case.

Has Michael Stevens been charged with the cheap shot on Murphy yet?